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PutnamField
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Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/10/2011 6:46:20 PM

For better or worse, Brian Boesch is pretty much devoting his radio show tonight to ripping Groce about Cooper's shot selection.

He's used the phrase "bad coaching" a few times.

He noted that Groce replied snidely yesterday to another reporter's question about this whole long leash/green light issue.

Color Boesch not in Love's camp on this one. I do think he's getting ideas from this board, though, especially Dragon.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/10/2011 6:50:42 PM

It's true. I slipped him a Hamilton yesterday.

All part of my part to get Groce out of here and replace him with John Rhodes.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/10/2011 7:53:33 PM

Well, hopefully DJ will transfer to some place that will appreciate him.

Last Edited: 1/10/2011 7:54:00 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/10/2011 7:55:39 PM

Yes, that Ohio Northern loss at Mount Union yesterday was a Gene Chizek moment.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/10/2011 9:26:35 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Well, hopefully DJ will transfer to some place that will appreciate him.

Come on man.

Last Edited: 1/10/2011 9:32:15 PM by The Optimist

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/10/2011 9:49:00 PM

Now that was way funnier than my post.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/10/2011 10:35:00 PM

If DJ is not taking our shots, who will? I think some are not seeing our other options.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/10/2011 10:42:57 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

If DJ is not taking our shots, who will? I think some are not seeing our other options.

Or more to your point (I think) the *lack* of other options.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 12:34:28 AM

Some people love the sound of their own voice.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 1:35:17 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

If DJ is not taking our shots, who will? I think some are not seeing our other options.

DJ can still take shots, that's not the problem. The problem is the contested 25 threes with 24 seconds left on the shot clock and the floaters over three guys. He has to learn better shot selection. Run the offense first before throwing up some desperation shot.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 5:53:49 AM

There is good and bad with a player like DJ, and you have to live with some of the bad. The young man is a play maker, he makes things happen, and as I've stated he at 25' is better than our other options.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 7:56:27 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Actually, he's not.

Cooper is 29% on his threes, more than likely less than that from 25 feet. Not a better option than Freeman or Kellogg from three, both over 42%, or Ivo or Devo (50% and 47%, respectively, overall). Why not make a good player better by having him be more selective with his shot selection?

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 8:20:18 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Stop being a hater! Constructive criticism is not welcome.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 9:44:35 AM

I have to admit. During the game i was pissed at dj i didnt understand the shot. But now after thinking it over, and looking at his stat line, he was the reason we were even in the game. He is a big time player he should take the big time shots, Tommy was covered the whole overtime, who else is going to do it?

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Posted: 1/11/2011 11:30:30 AM

He made the first one, which was a bad shot, and he pushed his luck with the second one. He admitted afterward that he probably should have driven to the hoop. It's a learning process. Of course, he makes some bad decisions, but I'm pretty confident he'll get better.

I know he's got to feel a ton of pressure because other scoring options are limited. But our best offensive opportunities are when he takes two people with him to the hoop, leaving someone else open, or when only one guy goes with him, and he gets an open shot of his own. He did that a lot, but I'd like to see even more. I think Coach Groce and the staff will communicate this and I think to some extent, Cooper already understands this.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 12:58:42 PM

I keep seeing different posts about no other options, or I'd rather have a DJ 25 footer than any other option. Well how's that working out for us. There are plenty of other options if you have ball movement. 17 assists against Miami, 11 by DJ. Lack of ball movement in my book. 20 assists on 30 made shots, 10 by DJ. That was against Norfolk. Now a lot of you are going to say Norfolks not Miami.That game from a TEAM standpoint was a thing of beauty, plenty of ball movement, lots of open looks. There is no standing around when the offense is run right. I have no problem with anyone taking 3 pointers, just do it in the context of the offense. I think some people on this board think I'm a DJ hater, far from it. I just know we won't be very good if option one is a 25 ft. contested 3.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 1:10:01 PM

The bottom line here is that without the ball in DJ's hands, we are seriously offensively challenged. If the result of him having the ball is an occasion "OH S^%$!" 3, then I'll live with that.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 2:24:34 PM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Stop being a hater! Constructive criticism is not welcome.

What is your other option? I am waiting! Freeman can't get his own shot, we have no legit post game, where or who is going to take on the challenge? I will give you some guys are shooting a higher % than DJ, however those guys are getting those numbers while setting their feet and shooting open shots, who on this team can shoot without their feet set and squared at the basket? No one! This team is limited offensively, and if you want to pass blame look at our emerging Rap star and a young man who choose to no longer play basketball.

As for the constructive criticism claim, where is the constructive part? All some are doing is throwing rocks at DJ but not giving any other options. Sure some have said use more screens for Tommy, well that is not his game, we run him off screens, but he can't get his shot, Kellog the same.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 4:11:54 PM

I assume folks want us to come down late in games and "run the offense" and get a good shot for somebody rather than come down and have DJ drive the lane for a runner or shoot a 3.

I don't mind giving the ball to your best player and letting him try to win. Especially when you don't have another guy on the team who is very good at getting a shot off on his own. I'll repeat what I said in another post: Sayles, Hall, Freeman, and Kellog (our entire G/SF group) took a combined 2 non-three-point-shots in 55 minutes against Miami.

Late in a game, when you need to tie it up quickly and leave enough time for another chance or to foul and get the ball back, you are pushing it to be running whole offensive sets over and over to get someone an open spot up 3.

It feels like some are using the Miami game to pain a wide brush about Cooper.

I remember just one game ago Cooper getting Kellog a wide open look to beat Robert Morris at the buzzer. I assume the Boesch guy spent an entire show applauding that.....

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 4:41:10 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

I remember just one game ago Cooper getting Kellog a wide open look to beat Robert Morris at the buzzer. I assume the Boesch guy spent an entire show applauding that.....

Thanks to whoever mentioned the 11 assists, too.....Bring us back down to reality.

DJ is hardly playing selfishly. He gets a lot out of his team mates in an offense that largely consists of "ball screen & DJ drives."

He's doing what he thinks needs done to win. If you want to sit in the stands and pick apart every decision he makes - then yeah, you'll find some questionable ones that our sophomore point guard makes.

Bottom line though, is that the kid is a player and the heart of our team - I can think of a lot worse shots than the ones he has been taking.

If any of you think Groce and DJ need your input on the green light or his shot selection, put in an application for an assistant coaching position.

Last Edited: 1/11/2011 4:42:32 PM by roar-room

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 4:51:56 PM

To me, it is more a discussion of how we can better use our best player to make our team better...Because right now we kind of suck. If you're all cool with that, then let's just keep going with thew same approach because if sucking is your goal, it sure is working fantastic.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 5:07:40 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

I think we're discussing the same thing - just there are a bunch of people focusing on the wrong aspect (DJ Cooper)!

If you think DJ's shot selection is what is holding this team back, I'm not sure we'll ever understand each other.

(Which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, I suppose)

Last Edited: 1/11/2011 5:08:04 PM by roar-room

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 5:07:59 PM

You guys have blown our criticism way out of proportion.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 5:16:08 PM

If you're a fly on the wall in my house or in my classroom where I teach, you would realize that I'm the biggest Cooper supporter around. He's my 11-year-old daughter and 4-year-old son's favorite basketball player. I'm always trying to convince hoops fans in Newark, 99.9% of whom are an o$u fans and know next to nothing about Bobcat basketball, to check out an Ohio game on TV and keep an eye on #5, perhaps the best player in the country under six feet. And yet, I believe Ohio is better served without some of his 25 footers early in the shot clock. And I think the stats back that up.

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RE: Boesch not in Love's camp

Posted: 1/11/2011 6:52:59 PM

I think some people read criticisms of DJ's shot selection as an indictment against DJ, when in reality (at least speaking personally) it is much more of a coaching issue than a player issue. DJ is doing what the coach lets him do. It is on Groce to reign Cooper in a little bit.

As for other scoring options, I will again say that I think that some of the guys on the roster would step up if we were running and properly executing the right offense. Part of the reason that Kellogg, Hall, and Rico Johnson haven't displayed an ability to create their own shot is the fact that they haven't been put in a position where they have the freedom to do so on a regular basis. Instead, the system has them hanging out on the perimeter as spot-up shooters most of the time.

Alternatively, if we really only have one viable scoring option this year, then that falls squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff. By year three we should not be in a position where having a 28% 3 point shooter jacking up questionable treys is your best offensive option. If that is really the best we can do, then we really need to be asking why John Groce recruited three wings capable only of shooting spot-up jumpers in the same class...

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