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Topic: Welcome to the long season

Topic: Welcome to the long season

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Wilson Hall Record Holder
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Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/9/2011 5:08:47 PM

This team is so poor....wow.

Will we win 8 more games this season?

Washington is so pathetic is comedic and we have no post players at all....only Miami's low basketball IQ kept this game close by hoisting 3's instead of pounding the ball inside and punishing us or kicking out for wide open 3's instead of just jacking up 3 after 3 without going inside 1st.

Man I'm glad Stevie Taylor is already signed for next year but in truth we have no post players period so it's looks to be more of the same next year unless we get a J.C. transfer --- please don't anyone bring up Baltic as it took him how many overtimes to get 16 points as a starter? (not in foul trouble either)

We have no choice but to keep the faith but wow -- we're going to need monster games from 3 point land to pull out any big wins this season.

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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/9/2011 5:22:38 PM

Wilson Hall Record Holder wrote:

We have no choice but to keep the faith but wow -- we're going to need monster games from 3 point land to pull out any big wins this season.

...You seem really committed to that cause.

I'd say a lot of guys played their hearts out today and they deserve some appreciation for that. We had a tough night inside and got in some foul trouble, but lighten up, man.

Bobcat110alum
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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/9/2011 5:56:16 PM

I WILL bring up Ivo, because although he only had 16 points, his defense prevented Miami from taking this game sooner. HE played great defense down the stretch.

I get annoyed at our lack basic fundamentals:
-Staying on your toes on defense
-Boxing out the free throw shooter
-Following your shot
-REBOUNDING
-Shot selection

I don't know, we had that game, we let ourselves lose it.

That's all I can say without being biased and overly angry at this point.

B.S. Journalism, 2012.

Ohio Hoops
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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/9/2011 6:10:46 PM

You can keep the faith and be critical at the same time. None of us on here are rooting for Ohio to lose during a game. But as fans I think it's acceptable when Ohio is getting killed on the boards and our bigs are taking one dribble 15 footers with 25 seconds still on the shot clock. At this point in the season its time to stop with the "well im just glad our guys played hard out there" crap. Its conference season and its the longest rivalry in the conference. If our guys aren't playing hard then there would be even more to be concerned about. It's time for Ohio to step up and close out games at home, plain and simple.

Wilson Hall Record Holder
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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/9/2011 7:49:57 PM

Tyler Charles wrote:

Maybe I need to look again because the only time I remember Baltic on defense in an one on one matchup had Mavunga taking him right to basket with a drop step to the baseline for a layup. Every other sequence in my memory has Baltic as one of 2 players doubling down low.

Again, maybe I need to look at the 2nd half again.

Wilson Hall Record Holder
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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:01:26 PM

Wilson Hall Record Holder wrote:

Tyler Charles wrote:

Ah yes --- He did a very good job of stepping into the passing lanes to steal the ball on at least 2-3 occasions against Mavunga so he deserves credit there. Perhaps because he knew it would be bad news for him to have to guard Him one on one so he figured he had to go for broke with the steal plus Mavunga has no clue what the phrase "come meet the pass" means but that's not Baltic's problem.

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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/11/2011 5:14:11 PM

Wilson Hall Record Holder wrote:

Tyler Charles wrote:

Yeah that sounds about spot on. Baltic was getting destroyed in the post one on one, but he played pretty well in the passing lanes. Lucky for us, Mavunga couldn't figure out how to go to the pass...but I guess it didn't really matter now did it, haha.

B.S. Journalism, 2012.

71 BOBCAT
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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/11/2011 9:05:24 PM

Is it me or does our coach only like to recruit guards and small ones at that? If we were to rate his recruits where would they rate; Superior, Very Good, Good, Average, Below Average? I know some would say it's not fair at this point in the season. Well I think it's OK to evaluate talent all during the year. Other than Cooper is there any other player coach has recruited that you would rate average or above? Are there any other players from the TOS years you would rate above average? Freeman? he has been 1 dimensional since day 1. Washington? he seems to have regressed.
Did I miss anyone? Overall I give Groce's recruits an average for these past 2 years. This is only due to Cooper & Bassett bringing up the overall rating. Based on only his current group I give him a below average
He will get no help from the 2 walk-ons or should I say practice only players. Jacobs is an obvious bust. There are others that just don't seem to fit in, like Johnson. Sayles came back when Bassett left and coach must have done some major gravelling and promised major PT. Prior to this year Sayles was a bench warmer and his talent has not improved. So if Sayles is getting all this PT and he hasn't improved than the new talent lacks talent.

My predicted regular season W-L record......13-17. We have already shown we struggle at home. The road has always been a more difficult place to play. These 2 factors lead us to a 13-17 record. This will give Groce 2 loosing seasons out of his 1st 3. Not good. And we gave him a $50K raise after last year? Seriously, who thought he would get a better opportunity after 2 years at Ohio and one of those was a loosing season. Give him a raise to keep him? Huh? Instead make it an incentive not a raise.
So I ask all has Croce elevated our program?

GO BOBCATS

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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/11/2011 9:21:10 PM

Wow. I nominate that for worst post of the year. The Platonic ideal of awful. I don't think you wrote a single sentence that isn't complete nonsense.

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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/12/2011 1:41:40 PM

I think there is a lot of truth in what 71 says, Dragon. One thing that has not been mentioned is the lack of momentum from last year. Granted, we replaced several major players from last year's run, but it does appear that we have regressed in many areas. It seems like we have not built upon last years success. We still could make a move later in the season, as we did last year, but IMO we should be seeing improvement over last year.

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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/12/2011 2:50:48 PM

71 is correct. I have wondered why we now seem to only recruit 6'6" and under. You have to have rebounding and an inside presence on offense and defense to win. Three point shooting teams normally don't win it all because it is too hard to be consistent shooting jumpers.

Have we progressed the last few years? We have a couple of big wins but when was the last time we were in the 200s in the Sagrin Ratings? AT THIS POINT the program has certainly not progressed from the TOS days. Ah, where are the good old days of "the next level"?

Ryan Carey
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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/12/2011 3:39:07 PM

Casper71 wrote:

I have wondered why we now seem to only recruit 6'6" and under.

Then it appears you aren't looking at the roster for this year and next. It has 5 guys on it that Groce and staff recruited who are > 6'6"

There are 6 guys <= 6'6"

By the general nature of things, you are going to have more < 6'6" on the team, at least in the MAC.

And while I'm posting, I'll add my .02 about DJ's three point shot selection early in the shot clock.  For those who say we have no other scoring options, and that a long 3 pointer with 25 seconds on the shot clock is a good shot, why does DJ only make up 25% of our scoring on the season so far? We did have 3 other guys in double figures on Sunday.

Why is everybody so hung up on who can "create their own shot."   Is that what our offense has become? How about we run the offense and let the players, same ones who make up 75% of our score, get their points via the offense instead of creating something for themselves?

And for the record, I do think Hall, Kellogg, Baltic, and Washington can create a shot.  Hell, even Keely has a decent drop step and an nice baby hook in the lane...they just need to get the shots to start falling.  Washington missed 3 layups on Sunday.  Get the guy some confidence so he can finish those.

While Tommy may not be able to take anybody off the dribble, he CAN shoot coming off an off-the-ball screen.  I think his 2nd three on Sunday was him catching a shooting off a screen without having his feet set.

Just because it's snowing, it doesn't mean the sky is falling. Geesh!

Ryan M. Carey
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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/12/2011 4:03:41 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

It's fine to evaluate what you've got at any point, but you have to be fair about it. What are your standards for good? Does average mean average in terms of MAC talent or average by comparision to past players? This team has three seniors that Groce did not recruit and then after that it's all sophomores and freshmen. You have to consider that also.

Look at the best players in the league:
Jarrod Jones, Ball State, jr.: As a sophomore: 12.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg; 44% FG; as a freshman: 11.2 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 46% FG
Justin Green, Kent State, jr.: SO: 13.6 ppg, 6.9 rpg; FR: 2.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg.
Julian Mavunga, Miami, jr.: SO: 10.0 ppg, 6.3 rpg; FR: 3.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg.
Nikola Cvetinova, Akron, jr.: SO: 6.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg; FR: 4.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg.
Xavier Silas, NIU, sr.: SO: transfer, DNP: FR: 9.7 ppg, 3.3 rpg.
Brandon Bowdry, EMU, sr.: SO: 14.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg; FR: DNP.

Baltic's 9 ppg, 6 rpg is pretty similar to what these guys did as sophomores. None of them were much better as freshman than Kellogg at 7.5 ppg. Hall is at better than 6 ppg and 3 rpg. Which freshmen and sophomores are having more impact than these guys? Not many. Then of course there is Cooper, who is probably the best player in the league as a sophomore!

Where will these guys be when they are juniors and seniors? I think they'll progress into All-MAC players. I think Groce is recruiting well. As for the size aspect, that seems to be an issue to some extent, but sometimes that's just how things work out. You've got to get the best players you can. I think they are better recruits than O'Shea's and I think they are among the best in the MAC.

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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/12/2011 4:10:58 PM

Ryan...point taken, I guess. I said 6'6" and under. So, I believe there are actually 5 OVER 6'6". Of those, I think one is a TOS recruit (Washington) and one is not playing THIS year (Smith). So, I see three players ON THE ROSTER OVER 6'6" who are JG recruits (Baltic, Keely and Jacobs). I don't consider them in the same mold as previous power forwards/small centers at OHIO (Tillman and Williams types) either now or in the future. As for next year 2 of the 3 recruits are PG and SG. One is over 6'6".

My point is that we really need some inside presence on both offense and defense and I don't think you can say we have one right now. I was just using 6'6" as a point of reference.

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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/12/2011 4:14:38 PM

I was counting just Groce recruits (including those not playing this year, and our 1 (Groad) for next year...that's how I got 5 > 6-6)

Same counting with the 6 <= 6-6.

Ryan M. Carey
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RE: Welcome to the long season

Posted: 1/12/2011 4:15:29 PM

Is anyone taking into account that we lost 3 players (2 of which we really thought we were going to have) the other being basset. Coach did not expect this to happen. So now we have to play the freshmen more...simple as that. you lose 3 good players S*** is going to get rough. All we can hope for is they figure it out and win some games.

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