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Topic: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

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Jeff McKinney
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MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/5/2011 12:01:57 PM

Clark Francis and Hoop Scoop have ranked the 32 Div. I conferences in recruiting for the 2011 class...the MAC ranks a poor #22.

For the past few years, the MAC recruiting classes have ranked much higher...between 10th and 13th, I think.

Discouraging to see the league have a "down" recruiting year. The MAC can't afford it. Even with the good recent recruiting classes, it hasn't translated to success on the court.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/5/2011 3:19:34 PM

Just another "nail in the MAC coffin". IMHO, this conference is definitely moving in the wrong direction in BOTH football and basketball.

A second example is from the post about EMU. A D2 school and 500 fans in the stands in b-ball and their f-ball fiasco.

This conference really needs to develop some strict membership standards and then deal with the institutions that are not committed to or who cannot meet those standards.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/5/2011 6:08:29 PM

I mean let's be honest, besides Miami and Ohio...are there really any schools you'd put on your list as "destinations" if you are an above average recruit?

You couldn't pay me (in addition to the standard scholly money) to go to these crummy MAC schools.

Akron - Crummy and a Dump
Western - Marginal
Eastern - Crummy
Ball - Crummy
Buffalo - Crummy
Central - Crummy
Kent - Crummy and a Dump
Northern Ill - Marginal
Toledo - Crummy and a Dump
BG - Crummy

Miami - Solid in many ways.
Temple - Doesn't count for B-ball, but a dump.
Ohio - Heaven

This conference just sucks in so many ways, you can't even slice and dice it with much good to say.

I'm borderline embarrassed that my alma mater associates itself with such garbage. De-values my degree.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/5/2011 6:44:21 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

I mean let's be honest, besides Miami and Ohio...are there really any schools you'd put on your list as "destinations" if you are an above average recruit?

You couldn't pay me (in addition to the standard scholly money) to go to these crummy MAC schools.

Akron - Crummy and a Dump
Western - Marginal
Eastern - Crummy
Ball - Crummy
Buffalo - Crummy
Central - Crummy
Kent - Crummy and a Dump
Northern Ill - Marginal
Toledo - Crummy and a Dump
BG - Crummy

Miami - Solid in many ways.
Temple - Doesn't count for B-ball, but a dump.
Ohio - Heaven

This conference just sucks in so many ways, you can't even slice and dice it with much good to say.

I'm borderline embarrassed that my alma mater associates itself with such garbage. De-values my degree.

Strongly disagree. I'm not sure where this continued stigma against the Akron campus comes from because they have absolutely turned that campus around the last 5-10 years. If I hadn't grown up a Bobcat, I would've seriously considered Akron.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/5/2011 8:21:37 PM

Bobcat Dragon with the post of the young year and maybe young decade.

Last Edited: 1/5/2011 8:22:07 PM by Ohio69

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/5/2011 8:24:26 PM

The Optimist wrote:

Well, me thinks you live up to your optimist name here. I've been in and around Akron a lot lately, and I just don't see it. And remember, I'm the one who keeps saying they are going to blow up and head to CUSA and leave us in the dust -- athletically that is.

Now, if you had said Kent State.....I would have kept quiet..... That place is poised to pass Ohio by on many levels. Starting with their Journalism School. Yeah, I said it.

Last Edited: 1/5/2011 8:25:41 PM by Ohio69

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/5/2011 8:33:40 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Bobcat Dragon with the post of the young year and maybe young decade.

Bobcat Dragon isn't even on this thread...

I came to the MAC from out of state. I wouldn't have considered (and didn't consider) any MAC School except for OU and Miami. That's a fact and that's how the rest of the world views these Ohio and Michigan MAC schools. All are garbage except OU (declining) and Miami and everyone knows it.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/5/2011 9:18:47 PM

In no way does conference affiliation devalue your degree. That's insanity.

And Buffalo is actually a good school.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 12:23:09 AM

Love...you are exaggerating on this. I know you've been on all these campuses. I've been to all except for Buffalo and NIU.

Akron is much improved. Kent isn't that bad. When I was in Mt. Pleasant, I was impressed with the Central campus.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 12:46:16 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

Age gap possibly playing a factor in our differences?? In all honesty, I think my generation is much more inclined to pursue city-life then yours, no disrespect intended.

I wouldn't want to go to Kent at all... Too spread...

Not speaking for everyone, but Akron's admins recognized the trends in the kids looking at colleges now and made the transition to a campus. CSU is doing the same, as are many city schools nationally...

I've talked to friend after friend who wants to move downtown after graduation, like me, not to the burbs... Again, not speaking for everyone, but just look at the real estate investment going on in cities... It's highly geared toward young professionals who want to walk to bars, food, sports arenas, work... Not drive... These kids would love all that when looking at colleges too.... The numbers speak for themselves. My high school friends at Akron were PAID to live off-campus as FRESHMAN because the dorm space didn't meet demand. Know a ton of kids who transferred back to Akron, not Kent.

I guess I answered my question. Much of this board doesn't understand the shifting demands of college-bound high school Seniors. They want Urban living. Akron has quickly come to offer that at a decent quality... It's not there yet, but I'm much more worried about them then Cant.

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Last Edited: 1/6/2011 12:50:02 AM by The Optimist

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 8:14:38 AM

Sorry to burst the bubble of people on this board, but intelligent, driven, ambitious High Schoolers in (fill in the blank out of state town) aren't looking at any MAC school with the exception of Miami. That's fact.

Ohio and Miami need to ditch this conference as fast as possible. It's never been more obvious. And yes, I would hitch my star to their wagon 10 times out of 10. Save me the dumb "Miami Sucks" and "Muck Fiami" garbage from the likes of Monroe or OCF.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 10:41:56 AM

Unfortunately, I don't think most people look at Ohio and Miami as being much higher options than most other MAC schools, unless there they are interested in a specific program that ranks highly. Buffalo actually ranked just ahead of Ohio in the most recent U.S. News rankings. Bowling Green, Western Michigan, Ball State and Kent State don't rank behind Miami and Ohio much in most adacemic rankings. And how many college athletes make academics their highest priority in selecting a school?

My biased opinion is that Ohio has by far the most beautiful campus. Of the ones I've been to, Bowling Green's is the ugliest, but I don't think most people would rule it out as a college choice for that reason alone.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 12:16:12 PM

I agree that Buffalo is considered a good destination for driven, successful high school students.

Love, are you saying that academic quality should be just as important as athletic potential re: which schools Ohio should align with for conference affiliation?

The Horizon has passed the MAC; how many schools do THEY have which are big time academic institutions: Loyola; Valpo maybe; Butler maybe.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 12:19:40 PM

Optomist, as a Parent if my child were going to Akron I would certainly be sure to pack their "flak jacket". I consider it one of those "don't leave home" without it necessities there.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 12:55:55 PM

Only caught a few minutes during lunch today, but Willie Cunningham was having this same discussion on WLW. Caller was talking about the pros/cons of UC and U of Louisville's urban campuses. Willie replied by saying urban campuses have problems "definitely different than Miami or OU." Not sure, but I think the discussion centered around possible dangers of attending tonight's Crosstown Shootout basketball game between UC and X.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 12:57:20 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Using this logic programs like OSU, K-State and Pitt would not be Top 25 and schools like UC and Temple would never ever have sniffed the Top 25. Great coaches, tradition and opportunity to play for conference championships and beyond make a school a destination. Akron's campus is a garden spot compared to East 55th St. (East Tech) or the Anacostia section of DC.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 2:48:12 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

Optomist, as a Parent if my child were going to Akron I would certainly be sure to pack their "flak jacket". I consider it one of those "don't leave home" without it necessities there.

You might consider it a "don't leave home" campus, but I'm telling you it isn't that bad. I was there on New Years Eve and I felt much safer then I ever would have on Xavier or UC's campuses.

I'm not saying it's the safest campus out there, but the majority of student housing is in the neighborhood south of Exchange Street SW of their new Stadium... The vast majority of that neighborhood is now student housing. Walking around those streets isn't much different then walking down Mill Street, or the streets off Mill late at night in Athens. Walk in a group and you are perfectly fine.

Again, look at the #'s... That area wasn't primarily student housing 10 years ago... The reason it is now is in large part because of the commitments Akron has made to improve it's campus to drop the commuter school tag.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 5:19:39 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

After this truly enlightened and enlightening display of genius I cannot for the life of me figure out why there are further posts in this thread.

When The Love has given The Opinion, how can any argue.

How's that LaLou walkout thing going?

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 8:26:15 PM

EMU is the second ugliest campus I've ever seen. Its a total dump. Depressing. You couldnt pay me enough to go there.

San Jose State is worse. But at least the weather is decent there.

Last Edited: 1/6/2011 8:27:55 PM by bobcat28

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 8:31:02 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

I think your hitting on something I feel with the MAC at least in regard to basketball. I know some on here are dreaming of a MAC West renaissance in hoops but to a recruit once you are north of Chicago you may as well be above the artic circle. The MAC now has to compete for recruits as well against Oakland, IUPUI, Wright State and others that weren't even D1 25/30 years ago Iin the hayday of the western MAC basketball schools. National TV coverage for the MAC is at a minimum and the schools don't even have local TV deals with locations in small towns. Instead of looking at the MVC as a model for the MAC West as far as how good it should be more realistically with its northern latitudes it should look like the Big Sky Conference with decent but not great teams. The Big Sky has an RPI of (.4529) and the MAC West is sitting at (.4506). The MAC East is at (.5052) about level with the MVC (.5145).

Last Edited: 1/6/2011 8:32:23 PM by TWT

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 9:01:39 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

What I don't understand is that we all seem to agree that rating recruiting classes is bunk. But now we're worried about a low rating? I mean if the recruiting class rank was 10-13 but the actual performance is 16 doesn't tat tell you something? Maybe it's possible that a 22 ranking results in a top 10 actual. In the end, it all comes down to coaching in this conference. You can give Ernie Ziegler a Top 50 recruit and it won't help him.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 9:36:39 PM

Xavier built their legacy in the weak defunct MCC. They did it by winning it year after year. Maybe a weak MAC will finally produce a team that consistently wins the conference and generates a following through tradition. The biggest problem for MAC football and basketball is having a consistent dominate team. With few exceptions a different team wins nearly every year. Great for balance yet bad for building consistent fan support.

As for choice in State public schools; most parents I talk with look to Miami and Ohio as choice options for a public in State school. The party image is still a real factor with a lot of parents. The other in State MAC schools never seem to enter the discussion. They are an after thought except for local commuters much like CSU and YSU. Write State seems to be gaining some local favor too.

Last Edited: 1/6/2011 9:37:30 PM by DublinCat

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/6/2011 11:04:16 PM

Xavier also committed to their program financially.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/7/2011 12:06:06 AM

Ted...certainly at the 4 and 5 star level the recruit rankings mean a lot. At the 3 star they are a pretty good indicator. The trouble with the MAC is the league is loaded with 2 star recruits which is why we are not competitve outside the MAC (with the top 7 or 8 leagues). If you look at the Top 50-60 schools, there is no way Ohio will ever compete because we do not routinely get enough good (three star plus) players. I know many on here argue that we "develop" players but that is obviously NOT a way to improve beyond being near the top of the MAC.

If we could get five 3 star recruits every year, I think our on field performance would be much better. Problem is ALL the MAC teams basically SIGN the same kind of two star players. All you have to do is look at the players we lose and where they go (in your database) to see that if we could sign five more of those players a year we (or any MAC team) could compete at a much higher level.

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RE: MAC 2011 recruiting classes ranked #22

Posted: 1/7/2011 12:11:34 AM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Xavier also committed to their program financially.

Also didn't have to fund football scholarships.

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