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Topic: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Topic: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

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Wilson Hall Record Holder
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D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 5:04:29 PM

I don't just mean the chance of D.J. earning MAC player of the year honors as a sophomore just as Trent did during the most exciting Bobcat era to date in my opinion.....I also mean the very real possibility that Cooper leaves for the pros after his junior season.

I believe we are all witnessing the genesis of Ohio University becoming a program that takes a place in the national conversation as one of the top 40-50 programs in the country period (none of this Mid-Major crap) That carries with it the need to unlearn all that some of us have accepted as "normal" around our basketball program and realize that players leaving early, transferring out due to lack of playing time (that would start for many Bobcat teams in the past) and unfortunately, players making bad decisions off the court (we already have that though just not with national attention lol)

The biggest challenge is the ability for the AD to see the need to rip up Groce's contract before the season ends and pay him on the level of a top 50 program if not higher before other programs start courting him.

Again these are just my opinions but last year about this time I joined this fine website and declared that D.J. Cooper was the best point guard to walk the campus since Dink Whitaker and stood a 50-50 shot (at that point in time) of being the best PG to have ever walked the campus by the time he leaves so I do have a pretty decent track record so far :-)

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 5:17:00 PM

You ran track? What events?

Jeff McKinney
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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 5:37:14 PM

Until the average basketball budget in the MAC and at Ohio increases fairly substantially, and until the MAC gets a more highly visible TV contract, we're mid-major by definition. Even if we are top 40-50 regularly.

As for Coach Groce's contract...even with a substantial upgrade in his package through renegotiation, Ohio would not be competitive (nor would we ever be) with the type of schools which would be courting him.

Times are hard. Especially for mid majors.

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 6:56:35 PM

The biggest challenge I see is getting players like DJ to come here and the team staying at the same level when those really good ones leave/graduate. And DJ may turn out to be the best PG ever at Ohio, you can't replace those guys easily. The chance of keeping Groce long term seems fairly small, but for it to happen something dramatic must happen to the financial picture. What would do that?

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 6:57:46 PM

I like DJ, but let me know when he wins MAC Player of the Year three years in a row. I wouldn't quite put him in Trent's class yet.

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 7:04:28 PM

That is a pretty funny one. Butler is still referred to as a mid major when talked about on our local news stations6, 8 and 13 especially when they are reporting about IU, ND and Purdue. Why would you think nationally it would be any different than it is right here in Central Indiana?

We are hoping Coach will stay till Ethan is gone but are not holding our breath. Hopefully the next one in that chair will be pretty good and Ohio can be more like Butler in how they continue their progressing up the staff. Sure wish Davis would have been better following our Bobby Knight then we wouldn't a got Sampson . but hey, you get what you get.

Last Edited: 11/14/2010 7:06:44 PM by tiptondevilcat

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 7:26:50 PM

I don't see D.J. coming out, but I do see him getting drafted after his senior year. I told a buddy of mine yesterday that I firmly believe he's one of the top 5 point guards in the country....right now. The stuff he was doing yesterday was ridiculous....just sick. He's so damn good....can't wait until he starts throwing oops to DEVO. Gonna be a special year fellas.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 7:33:10 PM

Gary Trent used to cut in front me in line at Boyd Cafteria and would always take 2 entrees, while me and my friends had to wait in line and were only allowed to take one entree at a time. Coop never got between me and a monte cristo sandich with fries so I like him better.

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Donuts
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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 8:44:26 PM

Two players since 2005 have been drafted who are under 6'0". Ty Lawson and Nate Robinson. Lawson was one of the most decorated players in college from the beginning, and won a National Championship. All that couldn't even get him in the lottery. Robinson was the 21st pick, and only was drafted that high for his insane strength, jumping and speed (set combine records). They are both having solid NBA careers, but we are discussing the draft here.

So unless Cooper absolutely goes insane the next year or two, there is no way he leaves early unless he just can't stand school anymore. He'll have to work his tail off to be drafted as a senior as is. He's still way too skinny for the NBA and they only take tall ones if that is the case. No NBA team is taking a 5'11" guy over a 6'3" guy if they are somewhat close in talent level. Boykins, Bogues, Webb, Lawson, Robinson...they are all quick and strong. Running back build, not wide receiver build.

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/14/2010 9:11:05 PM

Regarding DJ, it wouldn't surprise me if left after next year, if the Cats get to the Dance both this year and next. He has talent and savvy, and any NBA team would love to have him.

Regarding Groce's contract, even if OU could match the bucks, it would be really difficult to keep him here because of all the other things that go with a major program, e.g., endorsements, media opportunities, easier recruiting. The only plus that redoing his contract would have is that OU could get a higher payoff if he jumps before the term is up.

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/15/2010 10:42:46 AM

perimeterpost wrote:

I think this might be my favorite post ever.

brucecuth
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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/15/2010 4:43:59 PM

agree with donuts...cooper, as good as he is in athens, is too small to be a top nba draft choice...

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/15/2010 5:30:22 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

I never ate at Boyd. Was it not scramble format like Nelson?

perimeterpost
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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/16/2010 1:56:53 AM

it wasn't a scramble, it was one line, maybe two at times? I think the other line might have been vegetarian, or just pasta or something? its been a long time but I remember it was definitely less efficient than Nelson.

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/16/2010 2:15:03 AM

perimeterpost wrote:

Another guy you didn't want to get behind in the dinning hall line was Leon Williams. One time when I was eating with Leon and a few other guys from the team, I witnessed him put down 8 chicken patty sandwiches among other items. I'm surprised I still have a hand after eating with him.

Wilson Hall Record Holder
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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/17/2010 12:50:58 AM

athena wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

I think this might be my favorite post ever.

That was definitely my favorite post -- I couldn't stop laughing --- It took me about 5 minutes to ask a question that would normally have been obvious to me....exactly how long have you been in school to have been eating monte cristo sandwiches (I'm also sad the menu appears to have seen no upgrades since I left) during the Trent AND Cooper eras???

What the h--- are you doing to your parents finances man????

Last Edited: 11/17/2010 12:52:02 AM by Wilson Hall Record Holder

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/17/2010 7:54:06 PM

I have to state this at least once each basketball season: I don't like the term "mid major." I don't use the term. I think the term should never be used by coaches or fans of non-power conference schools. We are a Div-1 program and we shouldn't use a term that shows we have such a low self image. Just one man's opinion.

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 11/17/2010 11:11:29 PM

Wilson Hall Record Holder wrote:

(none of this Mid-Major crap)

You really think we can do what Gonzaga, Memphis, and Xavier have done? Keep dreaming. We're a public school in a small down that's not its own media market.

We will always be a mid-major, and that's a term that refers to budget levels, not performance ability.

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bobcat28
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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 1/9/2011 6:49:57 PM

If he lasts all 4 years DJ has a solid shot to become our all time leading scorer.

Alan Swank
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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 1/9/2011 7:44:20 PM

bobcat28 wrote:

If he lasts all 4 years DJ has a solid shot to become our all time leading scorer.

Good player but the record will come only because Trent played 3 years. All time this and all time that don't mean much when you're comparing raw numbers vs. averages.

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RE: D.J. Cooper = Gary Trent??

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:26:33 PM

Dave Jamerson is the all-time leading scorer.

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