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The Optimist
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The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 10:15:38 AM

The Ohio University Student Senate holds weekly meetings that open with comments from general students at Ohio University.

In past weeks, these comments have included one or two athletics bashers complaining about the funding of ICA spending... These complaints have led to articles in The Post, with quotes from these students about how all their friends and them don't go to athletic events. Remember, we can count on one hand the number of students at these meetings speaking out... Last night was a bit different, with over 30 athletic supporters (Sports Management majors, Business majors, Journalism majors, students employed by the athletic department, and O Zone members) who were all there to speak to the importance of athletics to their educational and overall student expereince at Ohio University.

Now if you open today's post, you will see a headline along the bottom reading "Eventful session addresses flurry of campus concerns..." Below that are 4 articles talking about what was discussed last night at the Student Senate meeting. None mention the support for athletics.... This is despite athletic supporters speaking during the vast majority of the open forum time, and a report by two senators on ICA. The 4 articles mentioned were hardly the focus of last night, despite how The Post trys to swing it.

I'm very sick of a paper that claims to be "An Independent voice of Ohio University and Athens" having such biased coverage on this issue. They are not independent as they claim, but rather a group of editors who act as puppets for a few loud-mouthed faculty members with a vendetta against athletics. It is absolutely ridiculous and must stop.

Last Edited: 2/17/2011 10:16:36 AM by The Optimist

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 10:26:00 AM

Today must be conspiracy theory day.

You may not like The Post, but your claims at the end are wildly inaccurate.

Last Edited: 2/17/2011 10:26:58 AM by JSF

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 10:37:01 AM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Today must be conspiracy theory day.

You may not like The Post, but your claims at the end are wildly inaccurate.

BD, I value your input, so can you tell us where you thing TO missed the mark on his claims?

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 10:45:48 AM

The Optimist wrote:

I'm very sick of a paper that claims to be "An Independent voice of Ohio University and Athens" having such biased coverage on this issue. They are not independent as they claim, but rather a group of editors who act as puppets for a few loud-mouthed faculty members with a vendetta against athletics. It is absolutely ridiculous and must stop.

To say The Post acts as puppets is taking it a bit far. The Post does act independently, but that does not mean that it acts without bias on all occassions. It certainly seems a mistake not to mention a large support group for athletics showing up. It would be nice to get a story from the perspective of those to whom athletics mean a lot.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 12:15:57 PM

In all fairness, you would have to agree that most students do not attend athletic events. How many students do we have now- 20K? If we draw 5k to a game, maybe 1-2K are students and the rest are the locals. Is that somewhat accurate?

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 12:22:35 PM

As I've said on another thread,on February 8 I faxed a letter to The Post responding to comments made in Professor Hays' letter that was printed that day.

I notice that, to date, it hasn't been printed.

While there is no question that most "media outlets" are bias,in my opinion, The Post likes to pretend its not,while manipulating how stories are presented to agree with the position of their editors and/or staff.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 12:38:19 PM

Giacomo, I think your point is a bit flawed, as there is virtually nothing that a majority of students on campus do. What I believe is relavent is that athletic events are attended by more students than any other university sponsored events. The fact also remains that the O Zone is the largest student org on campus (and it isn't close).

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 12:45:40 PM

You have to remember that The Post, while it does have its fair share of good writers and well-minded people, is a student run and produced newspaper, and will have it's fair share of biased student reporters, be them anti-athletics or otherwise.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 1:11:05 PM

D.A. wrote:

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Today must be conspiracy theory day.

You may not like The Post, but your claims at the end are wildly inaccurate.

BD, I value your input, so can you tell us where you thing TO missed the mark on his claims?

The claim that the paper is a "puppet" of a few faculty. That's just silly. Faculty members have virtually no input or voice in the operation of the publication. There are myriad possible reasons why the senate recap didn't include what he wanted. The original draft might have had it and space led to it getting cut. Maybe the reporter decided to focus on the actual senators instead of community people. Maybe the reporter had a different judgment of newsworthiness. Maybe the section editor didn't feel like it warranted inclusion. Maybe it was an oversight.

The editorial board, the people responsible for the editorials that tend to rile us up, almost certainly never saw or had anything to do with that story before it went to press.

If you want to accuse The Post of a bias, you're closer to the mark painting them anti-administration. Given the administration's staunch support of athletics, it is not surprising the paper would take a contrary position on page 2. To suggest that it affects reportage, however, is a reach.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 2:10:43 PM

anorris wrote:

Perfect rebuttal. I never attended most of the student events that funding goes to but I'm not going to complain about them getting my money. Those programs, as well as sports, are very important to a rewarding and diverse college experience.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 2:58:58 PM

OUVan wrote:

anorris wrote:

Exactly. All students pay for the operation of Ping (and programs like intramurals that are run through it). All pay for the operation of the Baker Center. All pay for athletics. Everyone pays for various art programs and groups (that I really can't name because I never was a part of). Everyone pays for career services and counseling programs. There are cultural programs and social groups. Most students take advantage of only a few of the things their fees actually go toward. There's something for everyone, but not everything (athletics included) is for everyone.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 4:27:26 PM

OUVan wrote:

anorris wrote:

Absolutely agreed. I firmly believe that many of the speakers, exhibitions, and events brought to campus, as well as things like campus rec and intramural sports are absolutely vital to a residential university experience, and I have no issue with my money funding these things. I also believe that athletics receiving a significant portion of said funds not only isn't a problem, but makes perfect sense as these are both social and education activities for a large portion of the student body.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 5:15:46 PM

Sprinkle.

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Posted: 2/17/2011 8:25:48 PM

I agree with your points about "not every student attends every event". Completely. It should be a non issue. Part of the university experience is to expose yourself to things you might not have in the past. For example, I never went to the theater or symphony growing up or in high school. When I got to Athens I bought a highly subsidized season ticket to The Artists Series at Mem Aud and to the theater at Kantner Hall. I enjoyed it so much that I regularly attend arts events and support my local groups with program ads for my business. All these things are open to all and if you don't take advantage of at least some of them, you're wasting a great opportunity you may never have again. My earlier point is that you can take these numbers out of context, but I didn't clarify my point.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/17/2011 10:56:57 PM

giacomo wrote:

My apologies for misunderstanding your first post -- I've heard some use that argument against funding in the past, to my amazement.

Believe it or not, I was never a stick-and-ball sport fan before I came here. For those who know my career goals, that might seem crazy now.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 10:37:52 AM

Compare and contrast:

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=33817

http://robg43.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/students-senators-rush-to-defense-of-athletics-at-meeting/

I've seen crazier things happen.

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Posted: 2/18/2011 12:02:16 PM

You absolutely can't decide this issue solely based on who and how many are attending but I think outreach is important. Finding ways to increase the undergraduate attendance at athletics events is great but I'm a big fan of anything done to get people like faculty members and graduate students to show up. Most of these people are individuals who got their undergraduate education elsewhere. They may have other allegiances in athletics or may have none at all. I always campaign to bring some of my grad student friends along with mixed success.

Just the other day, a student handed me a small flier encouraging me (as his instructor) to attend the wrestling meet on Sunday. Small gesture but I think stuff like that is big. I've been pleased to see the faculty in places like Women and Gender Studies got excited to support the women's bball team during special events. I really feel the way forward is to increase the sense of mutual investment student athletes and faculty members have in one another. I know that's a little kumbaya but too many faculty members only notice football and basketball players when they crash cars into buildings or punch-out bouncers. We need to do whatever we can to build positive relationships between the academic side of university and athletics. That doesn't mean debates over funding disappear in one big group hug but I think it's helps the two sides understand each other a little better.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 12:08:42 PM

The Optimist wrote:

Compare and contrast:
http://thepost.ohiou.edu/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=33817

All behold the power of The Optimist and Bobcatattack.com. Front page even....

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 12:53:29 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

Compare and contrast:
http://thepost.ohiou.edu/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=33817

All behold the power of The Optimist and Bobcatattack.com. Front page even....

Or, more likely, it was planned as a separate story and they never looked at this site.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 12:58:59 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Just wanted to say that Wes Lowery of The Post saw my posts and e-mailed me.According to him,The Post never recieved my fax.
Knowing how much trouble we have recieving faxes sometimes I can understand this happening.He said that if I e-mail my letter,it should be printed next week.
He also said the The Post prints virtuall every letter they recieve.

I'll e-mail it today and see what happens.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 2:02:40 PM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Or, more likely, it was planned as a separate story and they never looked at this site.

I can't speak to their reasons for publishing the brief article today. I also have no clue what role Bobcatattack.com played (if any) in the decision... However, I am fairly confident they saw my tweet at them and didn't pass over my post on their Facebook page...

Ohio69 wrote:

All behold the power of The Optimist and Bobcatattack.com. Front page even....

I tend to be a pretty reserved person, but that last straw finally broke the camel's back. When I snap, I snap hard. Head for high ground.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 3:43:09 PM

The Optimist wrote:

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Or, more likely, it was planned as a separate story and they never looked at this site.

Ah. Yes, in that case, you likely made a difference. Kudos.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 9:40:58 PM

Instead of being petty and bickering over partisanship. Why not just thank you optimist for being so passionate about the topic. Geez.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 9:52:54 PM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

If you want to accuse The Post of a bias, you're closer to the mark painting them anti-administration. Given the administration's staunch support of athletics, it is not surprising the paper would take a contrary position on page 2. To suggest that it affects reportage, however, is a reach.

This is pretty accurate. In terms of Optimist calling them puppets, they were definitely puppets of Will Klatt/SDS a few years back, and have for the most part hired their friends who come in with the same sort of rationale. Since Klatt left and SDS kind of fizzled away, it's become a little less obvious.

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RE: The Post is a joke

Posted: 2/18/2011 10:22:19 PM

cc cat wrote:

Instead of being petty and bickering over partisanship. Why not just thank you optimist for being so passionate about the topic. Geez.

Like saying "Kudos" to him?

ts1227 wrote:

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Oh, The Post loved Will Klatt. They drank his milkshake.

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