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potstirred
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  Message Not Read  pieces
   Posted: 2/3/2011 12:48:48 PM 
I really believe that we the pieces that we need right now. Rico steps up Keely with 6-7 boards by halftime Kellogg playing well. Getting them all to play  their best at the same time? That's why JG makes the big bucks
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tiptondevilcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/3/2011 2:55:05 PM 
I have watched the the replays of the past 6 games several times and truly see the pieces coming together. The Bobcats are in every game and have the talent to run with anyone in the MAC. The view from here is fairly bright if execution errors are clarified and personal attitudes do not come into play as a response to officiating or the ploy of seemingly every MAC coach to send their players to clap in the face of certain players who will respond predictably. This team needs to gel to acheive. Individuals will not be able to carry this one like last year.

A list of things I have on my notepad.

Don't overhelp. Leads to open looks by guys who do not normally have good % looks. Gambling on Defense leads to open kick outs, once they hit one or two shots their confidence gets jacked. Same complaint on the Butler board this year.

2/3 zone on the wing leaves the block open frequently when the player on the low wing starts the defensive possession too far shaded to the wing. Miami game and again last night block was open because of this even though the ref missed the obvious travel in the 2nd half.

The extra pass is still not there. In the games where there is good motion and the passes are moving the defense, we have great looks.

TJ Hall let a ball pass through his hands last night in the corner. I replayed that segment over and over . I am convinced he had his feet set for so long that he fully did not expect the pass to be coming.

There are many more notes but those are just a couple that are a result of the last few hours. WIth nothing to do today but sit around watching basketball or ice freeze I chose hoops. Ytown State game tonite so we will see the current 4th place Horizon L Butler team trying to fix their problems.

I agree fully that the pieces are there. One thing that is a theme here is that either the players do not get the message or the staff is missing the obvious when they are breaking down the results. Forest/trees thing.

I think this team can do the same thing as last years if they start playing as a team and not individuals trying to carry certain segments at a time. Cohesiveness gives confidence, confidence gives trust and the team as a whole reaps the rewards when they play that way.

Just my two cents, it totally gibes with Mr potstirred. Glad you brought this up.
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UpSan Bobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/3/2011 4:23:20 PM 
I know people were complaining earlier in the year that we had few other offensive options but D.J., but that certainly is not true. We're one of the best offensive teams in the MAC, and that's nto just based on the fact that we lead the league in scoring. Even taken into account that we play at a very fast pace, we are a very efficient offense. Ken Pomeroy ranks our offense is the most efficient in the MAC. We score more points per possession than any team in the MAC.

However, the defense is poor. FG% by our opponents the last few games: 50.0, 47.1, 44.9, 52.1, 50.9, 46.4.

As a whole, the teams that put up those numbers are poor offensive teams. And giving up offensive rebounds like we do makes it even worse. Plus we foul a lot.

I see offensive pieces, but I don't know about defense. I'd encourage Groce to put out there whoever is going to play the best defense. We can score with almost all of our guys on the floor. We need to play MUCH better defense.
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OUVan
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/3/2011 4:54:46 PM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
I know people were complaining earlier in the year that we had few other offensive options but D.J., but that certainly is not true. We're one of the best offensive teams in the MAC, and that's nto just based on the fact that we lead the league in scoring. Even taken into account that we play at a very fast pace, we are a very efficient offense. Ken Pomeroy ranks our offense is the most efficient in the MAC. We score more points per possession than any team in the MAC.


The problem wasn't that we didn't have any other options. The problem was that during our extended offensive slumps it seemed that nobody was willing to take a shot other than DJ.  Pretty much everybody who touches the court regularly can be a good offensive player but that confidence isn't quite there yet. At times it looks like everyone is afraid to make a mistake.

But so much of our offense depends on how our bigs are doing. If they are active and making things happen then Tommy and Nick are going to have big nights.  If they aren't then other teams can pay more attention to the perimeter and our offense stalls. We are also missing that second player who can take their defender off the dribble.  I think Nick, Ricardo and TJ can but they haven't gotten comfortable with the college level yet. TJ and Ricardo need to learn when to pull up because they both seem to get a ton of offensive fouls after beating their man.  I think Nick just needs a little more confidence.   But I think the offensive talent is clearly there to be a very good offensive club.

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bobcat28
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/3/2011 8:13:44 PM 
Sorry I just dont see it. And I dont see it next year unless we get some serious rebounding help.
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mcbin
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/3/2011 8:40:08 PM 
tiptondevilcat wrote:

The extra pass is still not there. In the games where there is good motion and the passes are moving the defense, we have great looks.


The passing in the Akron game was phenomenal. I'm not sure if it was extra effort by Ohio that game, or a defensive scheme Akron had that let us, or just that they really suck this year, but if Ohio could duplicate that ball movement every night - they probably wouldn't lose another game until mid/late March. I'm just wondering why/how it comes and goes, and isn't there when needed. I hope they can get it back/going again.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/3/2011 9:54:44 PM 
bobcat28 wrote:
Sorry I just dont see it. And I dont see it next year unless we get some serious rebounding help.


Rebounding is an attitude and if you don't have it, the wins will be hard.  Nice post 28.  We need to hit the boards with authority.
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RSBobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/3/2011 10:54:24 PM 
Agree - again rebounding is attitude/determination. If that attitude/determination is there - it is for the whole game.


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oubobcatjohn
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/4/2011 11:31:07 PM 
Next year we are looking at a depth chart of this
pg Cooper/Taylor
sg  Kellogg/Mitchell
sg  Offutt/Johnson
pf   Baltic/Hall/Goard
pf   Keely/Smith/Jacobs

This team will be undersized but have excellent balling handling and quickness. I would expect a three guard offense with Ohio doing a lot of full court press with the strength at guard positions.  They key will be creating turnovers and scoring.  The more quicker and athletic teams should help with the defense. 6 backcourt and 6 frontcourt players at this point.  Inside the development of Baltic/Keely, Hall and Smith should help with rebounding. Baltic and Keely need to have breakout years on the offensive side.  Outside shooting is a weakness overall with the loss of Freeman. Kellogg becomes the go to guy for the 3 ball.  Offutt , Johnson and Mitchell will need to emerge as slashers and get to the line along with Cooper attacking the rim.  The big question is leadership. Who emerges as the leader. Cooper has to be the guy.  He will shoulder the load. The key will be who else also steps up.  My hope is the Baltic and Keely emerge as leaders and start to demand the ball in the post and make decisive decisions when they get the ball.  Overall we will return three starters and 5 rotation players.   I would expect us to finish stronger this year as Baltic/Keely/Kellogg/Cooper and Hall have all played a lot and have more game experience than typical players of their class. 

  
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Monroe Slavin
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 2/6/2011 4:08:02 PM 
I've been crticial but these stats may leaven that:  Our freshmen are averaging 55 minutes a game and our sophs are averaging 80 minutes a game.  Between 'em that's about 67% of our minutes.  If we go 9 deep (avg 22 minutes a game, roughly) then six of our nine key guys are fresh and soph.

With help at center, we can be pretty darn good.

Hence my one word, capitalized, seven-letter exhortation:


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potstirred
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 3/1/2011 10:31:05 PM 
How do you like them now?
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potstirred
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  Message Not Read  RE: pieces
   Posted: 3/1/2011 10:32:24 PM 
ttt

Last Edited: 3/1/2011 10:32:56 PM by potstirred

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