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Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/24/2011 11:29:21 PM

interesting watching him play vs Duke. His season did not seem like he saw the floor to much, but they need his big body tonight. I guess this is sometimes the arguement to go to a place like OHIO and start four years in a row.

Last Edited: 3/25/2011 7:21:19 AM by Turney13

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 12:18:32 AM

To be honest he has seen tougher competition in just tonight's game than he will see in an entire MAC basketball season.

It would have been better for Ohio U. though if he were in a different kind of Cats jersey.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 12:58:36 AM

If we had him, we wouldn't have Ivo... I think we ended up with the better player.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 1:19:34 AM

No way would I trade Ivo. Ivo is well on his way to becoming an all-MAC power forward. I think Ivo will be all MAC next year. I think he averages 15 and 8 next year. With the guards we got he will have plenty of space to go one on one. Ivo one on one means 2 pts for the Bobcats. He is too quick for a big in the MAC. He lit up the MAC the second half of the year. He knows how to finish. He will get a lot more touches the next two years. Until the MAC learns how to stop him keep feeding him the rock.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 2:38:54 AM

JSF wrote:

If we had him, we wouldn't have Ivo... I think we ended up with the better player.

According to reports, we scored a commit from Ivo on April 2, 2009; and Kyryl committed to Arizona on April 15, 2009. We would have had room for both.

Wasn't the spot we were holding for Kyryl taken by Alex Kellogg? I could be mistaken.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 8:20:57 AM

The question is, does a young basketball player prefer playing <10 minutes/game and score <2 pts/game for a team among the Elite 8 or play >30 minutes/game for a team bounced in its second game of the CBI or BCI or whatever tournament Ohio played in?

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 9:21:20 AM

Perhaps if we had had him and Ivo we would have made the Big Dance by actually winning the MAC tourney. You can play this "what if" game a number of ways.

Last Edited: 3/25/2011 9:22:39 AM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 10:37:46 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Get off of it.

While you are allwoed an opinion you are beating a dead horse. Had BSU accepted the CBI bid there would have been every legitimate program in the MAC playing in one of hte 4 post season tourneys. When I spoke to their SID they were a little banged up and wanted a HOME game (read willing to pay) on Wednesday rather than a road game on Tuesday but could not come to terms

WHether you like it or not the use of the post season to move your team forward and keep your kids together for the lesson learned and the experience of a one and done tourney are not going away. THe fact that some of them do not feel like playing while others go out and give with every fiber is not lost on fellow team mates and coaches who are eyeing PT next year. COmmitment and learning are part of the evaluation .....actualy there are many more reasons to play these tourneys than can be explained to floks who are not going to listen anyway.

As for Kyryl .....look at Morehead ...who is getting more exposure to move a post collegiate experience forward....a player from an OVC school in MOrehead KY or a 2nd stringer from a school in a weak PAC 10 that can't get on the floor.

Coaches see the value in post season play and the AD sees the value. I would hope this fanbase that claims to want a winning program and expects their teams to compete for the MAC title every year sees the fact that Dambrot is telling his recruits he has played in 5 straight post season tourneys and Kent is doing the same while all the MAC schools that accepted post season bids are all looking to squeeze every chance for their kids to compete out of the possibilites.

If you all want big time basketball and have those expectations then this fanbase has to move forward as a whole and be bigtime basketball. You dont get something for nothing. Collectively,.How hard is it for you to look at the name on your jacket and say...."I AM a BOBCAT SUPPORTER" and start being one. Apologies to the choir.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 11:10:04 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Hallejuah.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 12:01:45 PM

It's a fair assumption. Isn't that what a lot of kids have to decide? Whether to go to a bigger school and maybe play later in their career, if at all, or play at a lower level and play right away. But you can still support Ohio basketball and think the two latest tournaments are not worth playing. There are 100 teams between the NCAA and NIT, then another 40 teams in the CIT and CBI fields. I guess any extra games your team plays may be helpful to the younger players, but if all you did was play in the CBI and CIT for the last five years, I don't think a recruit will be all that impressed. You can spin it all you like, but the kids know and so does everyone else. I think we had a nice year and wouldn't be embarassed to say we didn't play in a tournament. That's what you're shooting for and we came up short.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 12:25:39 PM

I guess we watch different games.

I saw Arizona destroy Duke last night and I had no thought of Kyryl and we almost had him. I thought of what a player Derrick Williams is. (This could be tainted by having seen him twice at the L.V. tourney and, so, already knowing that he was the real deal.)

Notice how AZ had guys who could drive and how they played defense. Strong.

Was surprised at Duke's lack of outside shooting and ability to penetrate. Maybe it was just a strong game for AZ and a poor one for Duke but Duke looked like they don't have much talent.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 12:55:53 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Duke played a bad game last night, that's basketball. Every team has good and bad games.

Duke has plenty of talent. They have three players who will be drafted in this year's NBA draft, including Irving who will be a top 3 pick. They have as much talent as any team, Arizona was just better last night.

As for Kyryl, he played more in the Texas game when Williams was in foul trouble. He doesn't have much of a role in the offense yet, besides setting 100's of screens on every posession, but I think he will become a big part of that team in the next two years.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 1:15:01 PM

Get off of it? Get off of what?

All I'm wondering about is what would a basketball player prefer. A small role on a top team or a starring role on a mid-major team? Sorry if it was either not clear enough for you or if I should not be wondering such things.

Man, I wish was from Indiana and had a higher basketball IQ.

Last Edited: 3/25/2011 1:19:00 PM by bobcatsquared

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 1:28:02 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Obviously every player is different. You have guys like Walter Offutt and Justin Tubbs at ETSU, who would rather transfer to a Mid-Major school and play big minutes instead of playing a small role on a higher team.

But, you also have guys like Anthony McClain at UC who are content with playing a tiny roll at a top school. A lot of players probably stick at the top school thinking that they are one injury or player leaving early from getting playing time. Look at Josh Harrellson at Kentucky. Barely played the last couple years, Cousins/Orton/Patterson all declare early for the draft, all of a sudden Jorts is playing a huge role this year.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 1:30:00 PM

You and I both know the second part of that post was involving the CBI an d post season toruneys aw wellas the intended gibe against what the teams were able to do in those tourneys. THat is what the get off of it was about.

and I did answer your question regarding where a kid goes. Ask Faried if he would have had the opportunities to grow and get better playing at a Big 6 university not named Marquette or Cincinnatti where he would have excelled.

YOu can rail against things all you want and it has nothing to do with being from Indiana. Anyone who thought about the question and had some basketball IQ from any of the other 49 states would have answered you the same way.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 1:50:56 PM

giacomo wrote:

All due respect Giacomo

I know you dont think anyone but the conference season cahmps should be playing. Back to the days of 24-28 teams in.

Wayne Duke and otheres watched the NC State / Maryland ACC championship game in 1974 and decided it was time to expand the tourney as there were teams in the next 4 or 5 slots that were superior to that of other conferences.

At one time I had heard several coache s talking saying they would favor taking 2 regular season games off the regualr schedule and adding one more round to bringing the tourney to 96 or 128 teams. I like that one , you don't . THe fact is that there is such parity in hoops presently that about 100 teams is a legit number. Fact also is that the NCAA has gone from 180 or so member schools inthe 60's to its present 341 and adding. Some people dont like the 3 point line but still to sit here and beat the horse is not going to make it go away. Some people dont like the shot clock but they are not going to make it go away. I am surprised that you have never commented on those subjects as tenaciously as you hold the idea that only the confeerence champs should make the tourney. Personally I would not mind the other tourneys going away if the expansion was in place. They would be superfluous to those schools who are legitimately decent enough to make the big Dance but have for a variety of reason fell short whether it be a team that gets hot and finally puts it together at the end of the year and defeats the team that has been performing well all year long knocking them out of the dance. Both hav e legit claims but no recourse.

Only 7 mid major teams haved made the final 8. My theory is that the numbers would be higher if the Big 6 conferences did not have a stranglehold on all the spots, whichis why I suppport regualr season conference champs be rewarded as well as tourney champs. If they are the same then that opens one more spot. The regular season has no meaning anymore. How about another equalizer? Make the Big 6 actually play on the road. Tell them no more sprint Center Nuetrals for Kansas and the Dookies have to come out of Cameron for half their OOC schedule.. Shake it up. If you are going to stay with 64 or 68 then get the Big 6 to make some concessions. One of the most inequitable situations in all of sport comes when any team in college basketball has to go on the road or to some "nuetral" sitre.

Last Edited: 3/25/2011 1:52:10 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 2:17:02 PM

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Only 7 mid major teams haved made the final 8. My theory is that the numbers would be higher if the Big 6 conferences did not have a stranglehold on all the spots, whichis why I suppport regualr season conference champs be rewarded as well as tourney champs. If they are the same then that opens one more spot. The regular season has no meaning anymore. How about another equalizer? Make the Big 6 actually play on the road. Tell them no more sprint Center Nuetrals for Kansas and the Dookies have to come out of Cameron for half their OOC schedule.. Shake it up. If you are going to stay with 64 or 68 then get the Big 6 to make some concessions. One of the most inequitable situations in all of sport comes when any team in college basketball has to go on the road or to some "nuetral" sitre.

Home run! I remember in 2005 they were breaking down Buffalo's resume for the dance and they pointed out that they had lost to UConn by 20 while Notre Dame had beaten UConn. Of course, what they failed to mention was that Notre Dame had beaten UConn at home but had lost to them by 16 on the road. The difference was that Buffalo never had the opportunity to play UConn at home. The big boys aren't about to play mids on the road because they will lose and the fact that several Colonial, Missouri Valley and/or Horizon teams could compete in the Big East or Big Ten would be exposed. Then they overseed the BCS teams and underseed the Mids making the roads all that much tougher. Holding the big boys accountable is one of the reasons I advocate a home-and-home against a good mid much more than playing the BCS teams on their own terms.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 4:17:07 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

You are assuming a lot here. And incorrectly, I might add.

Find one post from me criticizing Ohio playing in this tournament. The fact is, I haven't posted one thing about Ohio's involvement in this tournament, pro or con. To set the record straight, as a Bobcat fan I was happy seeing Ohio's season extended. As a college basketball fan I could care less about this tournament and the other post-season tournament not named the NIT.

Thanks bigtilly and giacamo for having no trouble understanding the intent of my original post.

Last Edited: 3/25/2011 4:19:05 PM by bobcatsquared

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 4:45:42 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

To avoid ambiguity and not invite any inference into your post you could have written

The question is, does a young basketball player prefer playing <10 minutes/game and score <2 pts/game for a team among the Elite 8 or play >30 minutes/game for a team that did not make the dance.

THe rest of the statement as you made it....puts you squarely in the 4 page discussion on whether we should play post season and leaves out the fact that had he been here do you really think our ability to compete in the MAC would have been where it was as we finished this year?

to be honest when Kyryl committed to AU the team was in a free fall following the Olson debacle and Sean Miller to Arizona was a recent headline as the race was really between X and Ohio. He came here to the Academy in Fla to become a pro. That is why he is in the US. Basketball. Pro. Playing for a 16-15 team was probably not inthe cards on the way to prodom. I am a fan of Sean but a lot of things had to go right for him to ressurrect that program as quickly as he has. NOne of which center around Kyrlyl being the focus of a rebuild.

X has sent several pros to the next level under Gillen, Prosser and Matta. Is the Gamble with X bigger than a gamble with Arizona. Tough decisions for a pro to be. THis is not WIll Thomas who wanted to play at a big 6 school over a chance to excell at Ohio. THis is a big man who can carve out a name for himself in the MAC a la Faried and get lots of PT and game situations to better himself and be on the radar at the same time. If you are trying to build a resume and get to the pros he really would have been better off taking the Pitt scholly as Blair left a big hole that McGhee finally stepped into. Kyryl had way more natural talent and BBIQ than our own local kid Gary Mcghee. Out of all the options he had his direct path to the pros IMHO should have been to a school that could transform a guy like Aaron Gray into a servicable center. .

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 5:55:30 PM

Who wouldn't want this on your team. Kyryl doing the "Bernie".

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 6:32:36 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

<1>. . . At one time I had heard several coache s talking saying they would favor taking 2 regular season games off the regualr schedule and adding one more round to bringing the tourney to 96 or 128 teams. I like that one. . . .

<2> Only 7 mid major teams have made the final 8. My theory is that the numbers would be higher if the Big 6 conferences did not have a stranglehold on all the spots, which is why I support regular season conference champs be rewarded as well as tourney champs.. . .

<3> Make the Big 6 actually play on the road. Tell them no more sprint Center Nuetrals for Kansas and the Dookies have to come out of Cameron for half their OOC schedule. Shake it up. If you are going to stay with 64 or 68 then get the Big 6 to make some concessions. One of the most inequitable situations in all of sport comes when any team in college basketball has to go on the road or to some "neutral" site.

Three excellent points, borna. The sham expansion this year of four "extra" teams was just window dressing, though folks from the City of Richmond might disagree. We need a wide open tournament where each conference has multiple bids and every decent team has a fighting chance and a chance to dream of a Hoosier type victory of Podunk U. over the Muncie Central Big Six U. in the championship game. I, for one, think it would happen every now and then if the tournament was expanded and more teams were given a chance in a more open environment. As it is now, the Big Dance is of, by and for the the big boys, who take home the majoritiy of the cash. That's why every year I root for the lower seeded team to win practically every game (except in the few cases that I have a rooting intererest in the higher seeded team). Right now, I'm hoping that A&M and Kansas get their comupance tonight. I'd love to see a Final Four with no #1 seeds. Anything to move the needle in the direction of parity and help make the case for a more inclusive selection process.

Last Edited: 3/25/2011 6:34:41 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 8:16:53 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Duke can't handle athletic teams. Gets them every time. K has a system, but the system gets run over by athletes.

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 8:39:24 PM

cc cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Duke can't handle athletic teams. Gets them every time. K has a system, but the system gets run over by athletes.

I think it had much more to do with the fact that Zona shot 54% from the field and 60% from 3 (and much higher %s in the 2nd half). Also, Duke seemingly went cold in the 2nd half. Duke was able to beat a number of very athletic teams this year, including UNC twice. This seems more like a situation where Zona was stupid hot from the field

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 9:32:32 PM

It looked to me like Arizona wore Duke out. They seemed out of gas about midway through the second half, if not a little before that. Better conditioning? I wasn't able to keep good track of the substitution patterns. Did UA run deeper into its bench and give more players significant PT? Whatever it was, it seemed that Duke ran out of gas and "lost their" legs trying to keep up with 'zona's pace. That's my analysis, but remember I have a Buckeye Basketball IQ of 85, which would be equal to a Hoosier Basketball IQ of 75.

Last Edited: 3/25/2011 9:33:29 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Kyryl Natyazhko

Posted: 3/25/2011 10:11:19 PM

It looked to me that using Kryie Irving in place of Nolan Smith at point, and pushing Nolan Smith to the off guard altered the chemistry certainly for Nolan. The All ACC player of the year did not play offensively nearly as well as he did down the stretch of the season. Kryie defensive efforts in the second half seemed less than stellar. He was getting beaten often, and did not seem to be in peak shape. Coach K had a tough decision. Play his best point guard who has great skills offensively, but who has very few game minutes, risk changing team chemistry, and have someone on the floor that could not be expected to play 31 minutes offense and defense, without one of them being sacrificed. It worked for a half. Kyrie wore out in the second half defensively and Nolan did not adjust well to the changing role he was asked to play. Coach K is a risk taker - - just did not work this time. And Arizona played damn well!

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