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I have been playing withthis idea for a long time and thought I had a great idea to do that but it was not till I was at open preactice for the Girls Final Four yeaterday that I saw my idea enacted. I fyou turn on the game you will see the end to the left has prss behind the basket. I sat in the front row behind the basket for state finals last weekend.  That is located where the press has a row of tables presently while they backed the first 3 rows of seats in under and put up a lexan fnce in fromt of row 4. That is the exact idea I had envisioned when I though about the space contsraints on the front sideline.on the Ozone side. They pulled it off well and I noticed the did the same to get an extra row of seats on the near sideline facing the benches at Conseco. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/3/2011 10:40:08 PM  borna,  I think that I remember some times in the past when the press was at floor level like what you purpose and what is the case at the Women's Final Four -- which I'm watching at the moment (No, BL, it's not on my iPhone!).  Perhaps some other old timers can remember this better than I do.  I'm talking a long time ago -- back when the Convo was in its first decade.  As I remember this may not have been true for every game, but for some of the "big games" -- like when we had Indiana, O$U, Purdue, Loyola (Chi), etc., in the house.    The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,189 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/3/2011 11:01:06 PM  Schaus said that renoations to the Convo will specifically looking at updating concessions but press box on the floor would not be a bad move. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top mcbin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 951 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/3/2011 11:04:14 PM  Correct OCF, there used to be some press seating in front of the students. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,272 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/3/2011 11:07:57 PM  Seems to me press row provides an excellent vantage point where it is.  It's not like they need binoculars or anything. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 12:30:25 AM  The location of press row is very unpopular with announcers.  For reporters?  Doesn't make too much difference. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 7:50:39 AM  SBH wrote: Seems to me press row provides an excellent vantage point where it is.  It's not like they need binoculars or anything. Agreed 100% SBH.  To truly provide an informed view of the game, the view from where they are now is far superior to floor level.  There is nothing up there that gets in your line of sight and you can see what happens on all corners of the floor. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 7:59:39 AM  Alan Swank wrote: SBH wrote: Seems to me press row provides an excellent vantage point where it is.  It's not like they need binoculars or anything. Agreed 100% SBH.  To truly provide an informed view of the game, the view from where they are now is far superior to floor level.  There is nothing up there that gets in your line of sight and you can see what happens on all corners of the floor. ANd yet....Alan.... every commentator on radio and TV I have ever spoken with prefers to be on the floor. I suppose they would much rather go on providing uninformed views. For the record I hate floor level seats much preferring to see the game mid court and up top to understand the ofensive and defensive patterns and not caring so much about the up close and personal stuff. Buthtat is my opinion and I am not privy to what I would think were I responsible for the broadcast portion.  It would be interesting to go back to the Illinois State or WInthrop games and see if there is any peceivable difference inthe call on the floor vs a home game.   Maybe Russ can come on and tell us why he prefers to be on the floor. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Tim Burke General User Member Since: 11/23/2004 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Post Count: 607 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 8:43:47 AM  They stick the announcers even further away at Cameron and yet every broadcaster on the planet wants to call a game there. Ohio '99 EMU '00 USF '08(?) Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,272 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 9:30:51 AM  There's got to be a way to move Russ and Rob down there and leave everyone else upstairs. Back to Top OU77BCJ General User Member Since: 11/18/2010 Post Count: 83 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 10:04:43 AM  Why make any changes at all.  We sure don't want to put anyone in front of the O-Zone.  They tried the seating on the floor and that didn't seem to go to well.  An putting them behind the basket makes no since at all for their view of the game.  Seems to me that the best for them is where they are. Back to Top bigtillyoopsupsideurhead General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 1,926 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 10:21:11 AM  bornacatfan wrote:   Maybe Russ can come on and tell us why he prefers to be on the floor. I think part of the reason announcers would like to be courtside is so they get information sooner. If there is a controversial call or something of the sort the announcers can hear the referees explanation to the coaches and then relay the information on to their audience sooner. Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,167 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 10:27:43 AM  If my memory is not faulty during the mid 70's the east bleachers between the benches had risers where the press sat in various levels going up from behind the scorers table.  Very little spectator seating was available on the bench side of the court except at the ends of the bleachers. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 11:46:28 AM  bornacatfan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: SBH wrote: Seems to me press row provides an excellent vantage point where it is.  It's not like they need binoculars or anything. Agreed 100% SBH.  To truly provide an informed view of the game, the view from where they are now is far superior to floor level.  There is nothing up there that gets in your line of sight and you can see what happens on all corners of the floor. ANd yet....Alan.... every commentator on radio and TV I have ever spoken with prefers to be on the floor. I suppose they would much rather go on providing uninformed views. For the record I hate floor level seats much preferring to see the game mid court and up top to understand the ofensive and defensive patterns and not caring so much about the up close and personal stuff. Buthtat is my opinion and I am not privy to what I would think were I responsible for the broadcast portion.  It would be interesting to go back to the Illinois State or WInthrop games and see if there is any peceivable difference inthe call on the floor vs a home game.   Maybe Russ can come on and tell us why he prefers to be on the floor. That's my point exactly Tom.  My guess is the reason they want to be on the floor is because they want to be a part of the action and be seen.  Front row isn't always the best seat in the house. Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 12:03:03 PM  I think there are advantages to both.  Obviously, I'm used to being front-row, and find that you get a feel for the individual battles from that vantage point.  You can see expressions, hear them talk, etc.  Further up mid-court, you can see the teams better.  Plays develop, passing lanes are more visible, etc.  Having never done play-by-play, I don't know what works better.  The note about being near the officials and having a better idea what is going on is a fair point, too. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 12:39:04 PM  MonroeClassmate wrote: If my memory is not faulty during the mid 70's the east bleachers between the benches had risers where the press sat in various levels going up from behind the scorers table.  Very little spectator seating was available on the bench side of the court except at the ends of the bleachers. You're right, MonroeClassmate.  Also, it is correct that press row during the 90s was in front of the Ozone.  I actually had press credentials for a few years and remember sitting there when we beat BGSU during the 90s when Daniels was playing for them.  11,000 legitimately in the house and Ohio rallied late to win.  I remember the student section jumping on and over the press tables and running out on the floor.  If I were a broadcaster, I think I would prefer being courtside compared to where press row is now.  However, so much has been invested in setting up press row where it is now that I doubt the entire row would be moved unless it was part of overall renovations to the Convo.  Someone did mention moving just Russ and Rob down to the floor, and I don't think it would be too much of a problem to do that.  On another note...why can't we invest some funds in dressing up the outer concourse with displays about Bobcat basketball history?  This has been suggested on here before but apparently has never gotten any traction. Back to Top Bob Haldeman General User Member Since: 1/1/2005 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 149 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 2:24:16 PM  Radio moved off the floor (I think) in the fall of '97 or '98. Pretty sure it was the Wilderness Season. Think I was sitting as a print reporter with McKinney & the late Ritter Collett when the students went up and over us in '97, ostensibly because Geno was faster than Chad Allen for like 20 seconds. There are a few places that have TV/radio well off the floor. Duke is bizarre, and comparable to nothing. That 'booth' is essentially directly above the sideline at halfcourt. You look down at essentially an 70/110-degree angle. You are essentially on court, but in a balloon basket 35 feet up or something. It is actually a lot like the camera decks on the east side of Millett Hall, but much closer to the playing surface. Like doing a game from a fire escape stairwell with mesh floor. When we played at UNC in '02, visiting & home radio were still in the equivalent of suites on the concourse level; TV was at courtside. Am told that radio there is now down low as well. We were off the floor at Iowa, up about 15 rows, almost in a corner. Ditto for the tourneys at Arizona State. The new setup at the MAC Tournament is terrible for radio.  For announcers, you lose a lot of the color of the game by not being at court level. Calling the game without being able to read faces, hear coaches and talk to officials is harder. It's a lot like the 'fake' broadcasts that are done to translate soccer or F1 for English language; imagine just sitting in a room in Bristol, watching a game on TV and trying to broadcast it intelligently.   Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,660 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 4:13:22 PM  Extending the length of the scorers table and putting radio in a similar position as Buffalo's would make sense. I don't know what you do with television. But putting them back in front of the students would be a mistake. One memorable MAC doubleheader's halftime interview with Jim Larranaga comes to mind. Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 4:45:30 PM  In front of the O Zone is just asking for insurance claims. Seemed like the radio location at Kent State was rather odd, too. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 5:00:35 PM  Bob Haldeman wrote: Radio moved off the floor (I think) in the fall of '97 or '98. Pretty sure it was the Wilderness Season. Think I was sitting as a print reporter with McKinney & the late Ritter Collett when the students went up and over us in '97, ostensibly because Geno was faster than Chad Allen for like 20 seconds. There are a few places that have TV/radio well off the floor. Duke is bizarre, and comparable to nothing. That 'booth' is essentially directly above the sideline at halfcourt. You look down at essentially an 70/110-degree angle. You are essentially on court, but in a balloon basket 35 feet up or something. It is actually a lot like the camera decks on the east side of Millett Hall, but much closer to the playing surface. Like doing a game from a fire escape stairwell with mesh floor. When we played at UNC in '02, visiting & home radio were still in the equivalent of suites on the concourse level; TV was at courtside. Am told that radio there is now down low as well. We were off the floor at Iowa, up about 15 rows, almost in a corner. Ditto for the tourneys at Arizona State. The new setup at the MAC Tournament is terrible for radio.  For announcers, you lose a lot of the color of the game by not being at court level. Calling the game without being able to read faces, hear coaches and talk to officials is harder. It's a lot like the 'fake' broadcasts that are done to translate soccer or F1 for English language; imagine just sitting in a room in Bristol, watching a game on TV and trying to broadcast it intelligently.   How would you compare this experience to football and basketball where announcers seem to be able to capture the color of the game and they're much further from the field that announcers in the Convo are from the floor? Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 5:01:22 PM  Bob Haldeman wrote: For announcers, you lose a lot of the color of the game by not being at court level. Calling the game without being able to read faces, hear coaches and talk to officials is harder. It's a lot like the 'fake' broadcasts that are done to translate soccer or F1 for English language; imagine just sitting in a room in Bristol, watching a game on TV and trying to broadcast it intelligently.   Lies.  You just want to "be seen." "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 5:28:32 PM  Putting the press in front of the O Zone takes too much away from the best environment in the MAC. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 5:30:42 PM  JSF wrote: Bob Haldeman wrote: For announcers, you lose a lot of the color of the game by not being at court level. Calling the game without being able to read faces, hear coaches and talk to officials is harder. It's a lot like the 'fake' broadcasts that are done to translate soccer or F1 for English language; imagine just sitting in a room in Bristol, watching a game on TV and trying to broadcast it intelligently.   Lies.  You just want to "be seen." Lies is a little harsh Jeff but your post confirms what I said earlier about "being seen."  I would say that's what our guy is clamoring for.  Bob isn't one of them but these guys need to remember that the game isn't about them.  The entertainment is on the court, not behind the mike or in some cases under the stripes. Back to Top Bob Haldeman General User Member Since: 1/1/2005 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 149 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 5:54:04 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Bob Haldeman wrote: For announcers, you lose a lot of the color of the game by not being at court level. Calling the game without being able to read faces, hear coaches and talk to officials is harder. It's a lot like the 'fake' broadcasts that are done to translate soccer or F1 for English language; imagine just sitting in a room in Bristol, watching a game on TV and trying to broadcast it intelligently.   How would you compare this experience to football and basketball where announcers seem to be able to capture the color of the game and they're much further from the field that announcers in the Convo are from the floor? I assume Alan means FB & baseball, and in the case of the former, I really think a FB game can be done off-site with acceptable loss of quality of content. No one broadcasts FB from the sideline. Often, TV broadcasters watch live action when they would be better off using monitors during a game. It's amazing how often live announcers botch short-yardage situations because they are watching the field instead of a monitor that would include the keyed-in first-down line. Essentially, given access to all of the available cameras & relevant nat audio from a site, a remote broadcast of most sports probably wouldn't suffer much. I'm shocked more miserable ESPN3-esque games aren't conducted this way for TV. Unlike FB/baseball/hockey, hoops is conducive to being announced from as close as possible. Little danger of collision or being hit in the face by a hard ball or puck at courtside. Doesn't suffer from helmets/hats, so players are more likely to have visible expressions & personality compared to the others for TV. Hand-held cameras can be safely manned closer to the action than in any other sport. There's a lot of good natural sound available to you with rudimentary mics and even more with fairly low-$$ basket & floor mics. The only sport easier to conduct for TV purposes is probably wrestling/MMA/boxing in a studio setting (see: AWA, The Pink Room Episodes) All of the positives about basketball above are predicated on being as close as possible. The argument is mostly, if you can be close, why not? That sense of visual distance is desirable in hockey and especially football or NASCAR, but not what most folks want in hoops. Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Convo changes    Posted: 4/4/2011 6:00:48 PM  Bob Haldeman wrote: I assume Alan means FB & baseball, and in the case of the former, I really think a FB game can be done off-site with acceptable loss of quality of content. No one broadcasts FB from the sideline. Often, TV broadcasters watch live action when they would be better off using monitors during a game. It's amazing how often live announcers botch short-yardage situations because they are watching the field instead of a monitor that would include the keyed-in first-down line. Essentially, given access to all of the available cameras & relevant nat audio from a site, a remote broadcast of most sports probably wouldn't suffer much. I'm shocked more miserable ESPN3-esque games aren't conducted this way for TV. FWIW, the non-English-language dubs of ESPN's FIFA World Cup coverage on ESPN3 and on their various networks around the world this summer were done in Bristol, as was Spanish-language coverage of Wimbledon for ESPN Latin America.  (As far as I know, that's fairly common for second-language or multi-language productions -- those were the only two I actually dropped in on personally).  They only got a program video feed too, not even all (or some) available angles.  Just mix in nats and you're off and running, nobody is any the wiser. Alan Swank wrote: JSF wrote: Bob Haldeman wrote: For announcers, you lose a lot of the color of the game by not being at court level. Calling the game without being able to read faces, hear coaches and talk to officials is harder. It's a lot like the 'fake' broadcasts that are done to translate soccer or F1 for English language; imagine just sitting in a room in Bristol, watching a game on TV and trying to broadcast it intelligently. Lies.  You just want to "be seen." Lies is a little harsh Jeff but your post confirms what I said earlier about "being seen." Alan, I think your sarcasm filter might need calibrated a touch. Last Edited: 4/4/2011 6:06:53 PM by anorris Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 38 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 156 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 154 Guests 2 Registered Users:   Felix, FJC31 There are no other users looking at this page.

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