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Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,903 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 9:11:06 AM  Sorry, I can't see any school going after Groce. In order to be noticed, a coach at the mid-major level, must display the following:  major W-L records, making the NCAA multiple times & winning a few games, and the last is the recruiting ability.  Unfortunatley for Groce he was a victim, sort of, with Bassett, Coleman & Kellogg leaving the program after last years great run. Those 3 players leaving made the chances of Ohio going to the NCAA all but impossible this year.  Groce also has not really displayed a great W-L record in any of the 3 years he has been a coach. So far all he has going for him is that he was a Thad Motta deciple, and now that is even waring off. I totally expect to be criticized for my post. However, before you pile on can you honestly say the Groce has elevated our program? Are you pleased with our W-L record? Are you pleased with our record at home? GO BOBCATS Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 10:03:37 AM  Fellow 71 guy...I would be more than a bit surprised if anybody comes after JG this year given his tenure so far at OHIO! Back to Top HeHateMiami General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Mason, OH Post Count: 473 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 10:10:31 AM  71 BOBCAT wrote: Sorry, I can't see any school going after Groce. In order to be noticed, a coach at the mid-major level, must display the following:  major W-L records, making the NCAA multiple times & winning a few games, and the last is the recruiting ability.  Unfortunatley for Groce he was a victim, sort of, with Bassett, Coleman & Kellogg leaving the program after last years great run. Those 3 players leaving made the chances of Ohio going to the NCAA all but impossible this year.  Groce also has not really displayed a great W-L record in any of the 3 years he has been a coach. So far all he has going for him is that he was a Thad Motta deciple, and now that is even waring off. I totally expect to be criticized for my post. However, before you pile on can you honestly say the Groce has elevated our program? Are you pleased with our W-L record? Are you pleased with our record at home? GO BOBCATS For some general, national job, I might be apt to agree with you, but for Dayton I think they'll look long and hard at Groce. He's at OU now. His 3 jobs before that were as an asst at OSU, Xavier, and Butler, which would speak volumes for him knowing and being able to recruit the area for Dayton. I think the fact that he's from the Matta tree will carry weight in the same way... It's a coach who knows the area and has done a good job recruiting elite players from Indiana and Ohio, which probably should be primary focuses for Dayton. The point you make about Bassett, Coleman, and Kellogg leaving the program could actually be a strength for him in a, "Hey we beat Georgetown and were setup to make another NCAA Tournament run this year, but had some major attrition from the program. We were still competitive, but not quite as elite." sort of way. So yeah, maybe not the full-out criticism that you expected, but just a disagreement about what might be important to the Dayton AD. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 11:03:11 AM  71 BOBCAT wrote: Sorry, I can't see any school going after Groce. In order to be noticed, a coach at the mid-major level, must display the following:  major W-L records, making the NCAA multiple times & winning a few games, and the last is the recruiting ability.  Unfortunatley for Groce he was a victim, sort of, with Bassett, Coleman & Kellogg leaving the program after last years great run. Those 3 players leaving made the chances of Ohio going to the NCAA all but impossible this year.  Groce also has not really displayed a great W-L record in any of the 3 years he has been a coach. So far all he has going for him is that he was a Thad Motta deciple, and now that is even waring off. I totally expect to be criticized for my post. However, before you pile on can you honestly say the Groce has elevated our program? Are you pleased with our W-L record? Are you pleased with our record at home? Well said. JG isn't going anywhere based on this record so far at Ohio.  I think one could sum up the facts in this case by saying that the "jury is still out" on the question of whether or not JG is a good D1 head basketball coach. Last Edited: 3/28/2011 11:03:49 AM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top PalmerFest General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 398 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 11:18:35 AM  UD is a great gig: nice arena, GREAT fan support, good conference, path to the post season.  I can't see them going after an unproven coach like Groce but you never know. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,708 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 12:13:10 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: Sorry, I can't see any school going after Groce. In order to be noticed, a coach at the mid-major level, must display the following:  major W-L records, making the NCAA multiple times & winning a few games, and the last is the recruiting ability.  Unfortunatley for Groce he was a victim, sort of, with Bassett, Coleman & Kellogg leaving the program after last years great run. Those 3 players leaving made the chances of Ohio going to the NCAA all but impossible this year.  Groce also has not really displayed a great W-L record in any of the 3 years he has been a coach. So far all he has going for him is that he was a Thad Motta deciple, and now that is even waring off. I totally expect to be criticized for my post. However, before you pile on can you honestly say the Groce has elevated our program? Are you pleased with our W-L record? Are you pleased with our record at home? GO BOBCATS Bradley just hired Geno for $700,000 and he has 0 NCAA tourney appearances. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,720 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 12:40:45 PM  FearLeon wrote: 71 BOBCAT wrote: Sorry, I can't see any school going after Groce. In order to be noticed, a coach at the mid-major level, must display the following:  major W-L records, making the NCAA multiple times & winning a few games, and the last is the recruiting ability.  Unfortunatley for Groce he was a victim, sort of, with Bassett, Coleman & Kellogg leaving the program after last years great run. Those 3 players leaving made the chances of Ohio going to the NCAA all but impossible this year.  Groce also has not really displayed a great W-L record in any of the 3 years he has been a coach. So far all he has going for him is that he was a Thad Motta deciple, and now that is even waring off. I totally expect to be criticized for my post. However, before you pile on can you honestly say the Groce has elevated our program? Are you pleased with our W-L record? Are you pleased with our record at home? GO BOBCATS Bradley just hired Geno for $700,000 and he has 0 NCAA tourney appearances. But he has a strong regular season record. I said last year that I thought one of the UD/UC/X jobs would come open this year and that Groce would need a strong regular season to be in contention for the job. That didn't happen and I don't see him in the mix. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top Lash General User Member Since: 2/15/2011 Post Count: 130 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 2:32:08 PM  HeHateMiami wrote: 71 BOBCAT wrote: Sorry, I can't see any school going after Groce. In order to be noticed, a coach at the mid-major level, must display the following:  major W-L records, making the NCAA multiple times & winning a few games, and the last is the recruiting ability.  Unfortunatley for Groce he was a victim, sort of, with Bassett, Coleman & Kellogg leaving the program after last years great run. Those 3 players leaving made the chances of Ohio going to the NCAA all but impossible this year.  Groce also has not really displayed a great W-L record in any of the 3 years he has been a coach. So far all he has going for him is that he was a Thad Motta deciple, and now that is even waring off. I totally expect to be criticized for my post. However, before you pile on can you honestly say the Groce has elevated our program? Are you pleased with our W-L record? Are you pleased with our record at home? GO BOBCATS For some general, national job, I might be apt to agree with you, but for Dayton I think they'll look long and hard at Groce. He's at OU now. His 3 jobs before that were as an asst at OSU, Xavier, and Butler, which would speak volumes for him knowing and being able to recruit the area for Dayton. I think the fact that he's from the Matta tree will carry weight in the same way... It's a coach who knows the area and has done a good job recruiting elite players from Indiana and Ohio, which probably should be primary focuses for Dayton. The point you make about Bassett, Coleman, and Kellogg leaving the program could actually be a strength for him in a, "Hey we beat Georgetown and were setup to make another NCAA Tournament run this year, but had some major attrition from the program. We were still competitive, but not quite as elite." sort of way. So yeah, maybe not the full-out criticism that you expected, but just a disagreement about what might be important to the Dayton AD. I agree I think Dayton is not out of the question. If was not a mid-major, I would say he hasn't earned it. Groce won't be the first choice, but if it comes down to Groce and promoting an assistant - I would be worried. This could completely ruin my college basketball world - as a fan who grew up as Dayton fan (second favorite team) and as a graduate of Ohio University (favorite team). I may have to quit watching college basketball altogether. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,272 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 2:56:27 PM  I guess I'll be the first to say that if we lose John Groce to Dayton, it will be far from the end of the world.  First call - Jeff Boals.  Then "thanks, John, no hard feelings."  And I believe we'd get a nice buy-out from UD, too. Back to Top GoCatsGo General User Member Since: 7/3/2005 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 217 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 4:59:32 PM  Dayton short list, per ESPN Insider: • Wisconsin-Milwaukee head coach Rob Jeter • Morehead State head coach Donnie Tyndall • Murray State head coach Billy Kennedy • Old Dominion head coach Blaine Taylor • Ohio State assistant coach Jeff Boals • Ohio head coach John Groce Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 5:13:08 PM  Tyndall seems to me the least likely to take the job. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 5:30:47 PM  GoCatsGo wrote: Dayton short list, per ESPN Insider: • Wisconsin-Milwaukee head coach Rob Jeter • Morehead State head coach Donnie Tyndall • Murray State head coach Billy Kennedy • Old Dominion head coach Blaine Taylor • Ohio State assistant coach Jeff Boals • Ohio head coach John Groce Interesting list.  I say that JG is on the list solely as an affirmative action interviewee so as to show that they considered a follically impaired candidate.  Being of the same protected class, I whole heartedly support that action!  Seriously, I just don't see them taking a chance on JG, given his track record so far.  IF THEY DO, however, I agree that we might be the better off in the long run in getting Jeff Boals before someone else does.  That too, is a little bit of river boat gambling, but that's a pair of dice that I would roll.  GO OHIO! The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Panda General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 280 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 6:24:14 PM  How about JG to Dayton, with great support from Matta.  Jeff Boals to Ohio Panda Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,720 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 8:42:10 PM  GoCatsGo wrote: Dayton short list, per ESPN Insider: • Wisconsin-Milwaukee head coach Rob Jeter • Morehead State head coach Donnie Tyndall • Murray State head coach Billy Kennedy • Old Dominion head coach Blaine Taylor • Ohio State assistant coach Jeff Boals • Ohio head coach John Groce I'm not sure that's Dayton's short list but rather ESPN's take of what the short list should be. I have heard that Boals from OSU and Lusk from Purdue are aggressively pursuing the job. In addition, look for Mo Cassara from Hofstra to get a call. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 8:46:01 PM  If Jim Christian gets the axe, does he get a look? "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,720 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 8:48:08 PM  JSF wrote: If Jim Christian gets the axe, does he get a look?   At Kent St.? Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 8:56:13 PM  No, at Dayton. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,720 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 9:03:14 PM  JSF wrote: No, at Dayton. I haven't seen him mentioned anywhere. I can't believe they'd hire a guy who couldn't win in C-USA. He just proved that he was a keeper of a program not an "it" guy. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 9:10:20 PM  Mountain West.  It was a tough year to win in that league.  I don't think this proves that Christian can't build a program.  We'll see. Back to Top perimeterpost General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 3,165 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 9:32:11 PM  I don't think Groce would be a top candidate, but then again I didn't think Bradley would put out 7 large for Geno. So somewhat hypothetically speaking, for those closer to the action than myself, if Groce did leave for Dayton what would be the likelyhood of any of our current players following him? MY STATE. MY TEAM. Back to Top TheRealMikeDrake General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 300 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 9:45:19 PM  I saw Dambrot's name somewhere as well.  He's an "it" guy.  Fully. If Boals is ready, and can't be at Ohio, then I guess that's my wish here.  I don't want him leading at a Kent St., Akron, etc. Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 2,253 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 10:11:56 PM  Number A) If JG accepts the job at UD I lose all respect for him as a coach. I don't think he'll be their guy so I think it's a moot point but just saying. Number B) If we lose JG, I don't see it as a huge hit. He's a .500 coach with 0 conference championships whose team got hot for one magical week. Consider me "eh" on him. Call me when we can actually win the MAC. And I mean the regular season, not the one-and-done free for all in Cleveland, but the REAL conference championship. Mind you it's still early in his tenure so my opinion of him could change, but I'm just basing my opinion on the present. Number C) Jeff Boals needs to be the coach at OU some day soon. Period. It scares the bejesus out of me that he might go to UD because from there OU is a step down and basically eliminates our chance at ever getting him. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 10:41:13 PM  I agree with your last point.  It would upset me more if Boals went to Dayton than if Groce got hired away.  I think Jeff ends up as the better coach down the road and we need to get him here ASAP. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,720 Status: Offline     RE: Dayton Job    Posted: 3/28/2011 10:49:08 PM  JSF wrote: I agree with your last point.  It would upset me more if Boals went to Dayton than if Groce got hired away.  I think Jeff ends up as the better coach down the road and we need to get him here ASAP. I agree. But in an odd way, when comparing Groce and Boals it almost helps Boals that he doesn't have a track record. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. 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