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  Message Not Read  BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 10:27:32 AM 
Just saw the article & picture of the new arena.
To my surprise it's small real small. Holds only 4300 for BB.
Does the league not have attendance goals for BB like FB?
4300 is a disgrace for a D1 program. Our average attendence is higher then their maximum.
If I was a recruit I wouldn't be impressed.
It appears that the only real difference between this new one and the old one is "IT'S NEW"





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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 10:42:40 AM 
Looking at the attendance figures from the past few years, BG has made sub-2,000 numbers since 2005. And they had a surge of 3,545 average in 2002.

I know big arenas are really nice, and even better when they're sold out, but BG just doest not have the fan base to justify to make a 5,000+ seated arena when they can't fill up their arena 50% on average.

That's really my only complaint about the Convo.  I love the place, and we come close to capacity a few times a year (mostly at the Miami and Buffalo games) making it one of the best atmospheres in the MAC, but it's really frustrating seeing all those empty seats in the upper levels when we have an average crowd.
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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 10:56:11 AM 
In the early days of the Stroh Center planning and construction, word was that it would seat about 5300 for basketball.  Now they are saying something around 1,000 less than that.  I wonder why the difference?  Were the early numbers inaccurate?  Or, did they make some alterations while construction was going on that lessened the seating capacity?  Could that have contributed to the lower than expected construction costs? 

As a MAC fan, I would be a lot more comfortable with a capacity of over 5,000.  Not much prestige in building a new arena that seats 4300.  That's more what you would expect in the Big South or NEC.  

However, the post above that pointed out BGSU's attendance struggles also makes sense.  With their current average attendance, even if they do much better in the years ahead, no way will they average above 4,000.   

Of course, OCF swears that BGSU is going to take its $10 million donation and bolt from the MAC for a bigger conference in a few years.  Not sure a 4300 arena will make them attractive.

On the other hand...I really don't think the low capacity will hurt their recruiting.  For most recruits, capacity isn't that big of a factor.  If BGSU could show it will be on TV more in the years ahead, now that would REALLY help recruiting.   

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   Posted: 5/23/2011 11:14:09 AM 
Bill Brown's Cal PA program is moving into a new arena this year and it will seat over 6k. They are Division II. That the league wouldn't require them to build something for at least 6k is beyond me. Even if you use it more for concerts and commencement that's a very small number.
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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 11:35:32 AM 
If you only consider capacity, sure, but that's only one fact of the building. It's a gorgeous facility and should be a great recruiting tool for the BG program. Don't forget they're leaving Anderson Arena for Stroh. You can't even compare the two.


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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 1:01:56 PM 

That's going to be one of the better low-major conference arenas around.


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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 1:02:05 PM 
You know, it may be for the best. Lately, the concert venues have beem scaling down as entertainment becomes more and more fragmented. It's just not possible to fill the big arenas night after night. So, you're right, it may be better to fill up a small place than do what we do and have a ton of empty seats.
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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 2:16:56 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:

That's going to be one of the better low-major conference arenas around.



Bwahaha.

I would say that mid majors with large arenas may be the biggest "victims" of the "fragmentation" of entertainment referred to by giacomo.  BCS conference schools should be able to continue to generate a high percentage of capacity.  However, schools like Siena, Ohio, Ball State, some Sun Belt schools, etc., may struggle to meet a good percentage of capacity due to their fan base sizes. 

I think BGSU was wise not to build a 10,000 seat arena, but I still think something larger than 5300 (convocation and concert) would have been adviseable...maybe something in the 7500 range. 
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   Posted: 5/23/2011 3:18:09 PM 
The add-ons are a big plus to me for BGSU. Having the practice gym, the re-hab pool, the training rooms and the spacious lockerrooms are a plus for re-cruiting.
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   Posted: 5/23/2011 3:33:33 PM 
BobcatSports wrote:
The add-ons are a big plus to me for BGSU. Having the practice gym, the re-hab pool, the training rooms and the spacious lockerrooms are a plus for re-cruiting.


Agreed.  Some of those things are more important to athletes than seating capacity. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 9:28:21 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
In the early days of the Stroh Center planning and construction, word was that it would seat about 5300 for basketball.  Now they are saying something around 1,000 less than that.  I wonder why the difference? 


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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/23/2011 9:30:12 PM 
A wise person once told me that size doesn't matter as much as how you utilize it.

I think she was talking about Mid American Conference basketball arenas. But I could be mistaken.
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  Message Not Read  RE: BGSU New Basketball Arena
   Posted: 5/24/2011 9:11:13 AM 
4300 shows that they have no faith that their program will advance.  Small thinkers. 
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   Posted: 5/24/2011 9:19:22 AM 
I am OK with building a smaller arena and being realistic about future attendance, but 4,300 is just too low.  Like McKinney, I think they should've found a way for another 1-2k more.


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   Posted: 5/24/2011 10:37:13 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I am OK with building a smaller arena and being realistic about future attendance, but 4,300 is just too low.  Like McKinney, I think they should've found a way for another 1-2k more.


Ruck, maybe they are trying to keep up with Findlay.  You know how good those Div. II teams are. 
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   Posted: 5/25/2011 1:04:12 AM 

I was fortunate enough to be given a tour of BG’s new facility last week and this place is going to be VERY nice. And I’m not only saying that because it is brand new either. It’s not even finished and I came away completely impressed. Their new arena has all the amenities and features one could ask for and has many features other larger conference arenas are lacking. I really loved BG’s practice court which is attached to the arena and they are putting a lot of attention to detail in it as well. While I will say I was wondering about the lower seating capacity too, I think BG did the right thing. Of the most recent new arenas built in the MAC prior to BG's, NIU and EMU laid eggs building venues just way too big for basketball. BG didn’t use all the seating it had in Anderson Arena in the last decade or so, so their capacity increases moving into their new building and they are able to spillover 5,000 in this new place if needed. BG’s seating capacity might hamper it more from a convocation standpoint with concerts or graduation, but not basketball. They have teams like Michigan State coming there the following season and have a $10 million gift waiting in the wings to fund solely their men’s basketball program ASIDE from a brand new arena. The future is looking very bright for the Falcons.

 

If you look at a powerhouse “mid-major” program like Gonzaga, which built a new arena in 2004, the Zags’ new arena “only” seats 6,000 in a much larger metropolitan area in Spokane (population 200,000) than compared to a college town like Bowling Green, Ohio (30,000). And Gonzaga’s program is much better than any MAC program is by far. Also, if you look at the top teams in the MAC recently such as Kent State and Akron, both play in venues smaller than 6,000 and they are nowhere near as nice as BG’s new arena will be. Other MAC facilities have also curtained off seats (Miami) or reduced capacity during renovation (Toledo). Ohio draws very well in the MAC and this year played in front of roughly an average of 5,500. However, that also means we played in front of nearly 7,500 empty seats on average. It’s crazy to think about a team being one of the leaders in conference attendance while also playing in front of attendance figures that are usually way below half of the facility’s actual seating capacity. While I love the Convo, aside from a few games here and there, it is just too big for basketball overall. If Ohio was to ever building a new arena, the seating capacity would fall well short of what we have now. Whatever BG might lose in fewer seats it is more than making up for in other areas with this new building. I saw that firsthand after touring the place myself. Very impressive.

Last Edited: 5/25/2011 5:35:45 PM by OhioBobcat

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   Posted: 5/25/2011 1:12:33 AM 
Some nice historic video of games in Anderson Arena: Nate The Great and Friends.


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   Posted: 5/25/2011 2:45:15 PM 
OhioBobcat:  You make some very good points.  Thanks for the report. 
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   Posted: 5/26/2011 12:04:38 AM 
Interesting thread to me- obviously- and I was glad to see OhioBobcat send in the "eyewitness" report. Very well done. I have been in the building several times as it has progressed and I echo his comments and observations. The Stroh Center and Bill Frack's generous donation will really be helpful for BG over time.

But just to add/confirm a thought or two, we/BG made a concious decision to keep the capacity right at 4300 seats. The idea, as generally stated elsewhere, is to make the ticket valuable as our program evolves on the men's side (the women draw quite exceptional crowds per peers). The 1000 more concept is also helped by a wonderful standing room concept on the west plaza which is quite large and directly overlooks the court. In addition, the game can be viewed from the north concourse while buying a hot dog or simply walking around. While not a real "capacity" adder in absolute numbers, it does easily add several hundred "seats" for a big game- say- MSU Spartans, Toledo or Ohio's Bobcats :) Concerts- that business is changing. We think the acts we can attract to Stroh will fit what our students want and can afford. There are many venues within an hour or two of BG for concerts. Graduation? Air conditioning!!

Second, we also did not want to lose the feel, the intimacy of Anderson Arena. Our core fans and alums were very adamant about that and I agree 100%. We also will have a very cool team store area near ticketing and a very well done hall of fame area planned for under the plaza. Fan friendly.

Lastly, 2000 seats costs more money. There are some realities at work there as various budgets, projects and dollars are stretched in the department etc.

All you have to do is watch a game at BSU or EMU to see the mistakes made there. And they realize that. They are way way too big. The Convo? What a super place to watch a game. But the poster is absolutely right when he/she writes that a new Ohio building will have nowhere near the same capacity. It will not.

The comparison to Gonzaga's building is quite good. As his mention of the size of the communities etc. One of several arenas examined as the Stroh Center was planned. And OhioBobcat's report on the student-athlete amenities is quite good. This building will attract a lot of attention in that way.

Plus there is a giant falcon on a pedestal! Always enjoy watching our teams in Athens and look forward to seeing the Bobcat faithful in the Stroh Center.

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   Posted: 5/26/2011 1:43:25 AM 
Are there other large arenas within 20 miles of BG that could accomodate a 'home' crowd of 8-10k if If BG had a game with huge demand?  The idea of having a back-up plan for the occasional 'biggie.'


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   Posted: 5/26/2011 9:30:29 AM 
When it comes to concerts, I think the comments about fragmentation are probably right.  Keep in mind the first Convo concert in, what, 8 years, sold 2,900-ish tickets, according to The Post.

Here's the question: who sells the new arena out first?  Men or women?

Monroe Slavin wrote:
Are there other large arenas within 20 miles of BG that could accomodate a 'home' crowd of 8-10k if If BG had a game with huge demand?  The idea of having a back-up plan for the occasional 'biggie.'


The Huntington Center in downtown Toledo is 21.9 miles, seats 8k for basketball, and looks like a beautiful building.  I'd have to imagine if they did have a big game, that could be a viable option.  I would guess BG has a pretty large Toledo alumni base, as well.

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   Posted: 5/26/2011 10:21:27 AM 
Willing to bet that if BGSU has a big game where seats are in high demand, they will simply stay at home, pack the place to the rafters, SRO, and create one hell of an environment.  Kind of like in the 80's when they were tough as nails!
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   Posted: 5/26/2011 10:25:01 AM 
falconfan, thanks for the post.  I am strongly considering attending the first event, since we like Sanctus Real. 

I am really looking forward to watching games in the Stroh Center when Ohio is there.  Glad you're getting the new facilities and the donation for men's basketball. 

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   Posted: 5/26/2011 11:45:13 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
falconfan, thanks for the post.  I am strongly considering attending the first event, since we like Sanctus Real. 

I am really looking forward to watching games in the Stroh Center when Ohio is there.  Glad you're getting the new facilities and the donation for men's basketball. 



I didn't realize Santcus Real is going to be the first event held there. I have been a fan of them for a long time. I used to go to their concerts in Toledo (where they are from) 12 or so years ago when they played inside Christian bookstores for crowds of maybe 100 people.

Of course, chances are quite high I'll be at the first Ohio game played there, since it is the easiest MAC location for me to get to. I've seen some of the progress on the outside. I went to an OU baseball game at BG about a month ago and it looked nice. I'm looking forward to seeing the new building inside.
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   Posted: 6/12/2011 5:14:57 PM 
Was in the BG area last week.  The arena sits very close to Wooster Rd..  It is not very atractive and does not fit into the campus architecture, but what does in the athletic plant.  Inside reminds ne of a high school gym.  Just does not make sense.  Nice offices, medical area and practice floor.  My personal opinion is "very poorly done".


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