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Topic: Hunter in perspective

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Ithacat
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Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/12/2011 7:33:06 PM

It is interesting to think that if Larry Hunter had remained at Ohio and continued at his winning percentage (204 wins in 12 seasons) he would currently be the fourth winningest active coach with roughly 700 wins and behind only Coach K (Duke), Boeheim (Syracuse), and Calhoun (UConn). I don't mean to raise a ruckus, but just put it out there as a curiosity -- would we be celebrating him as the dean of the MAC.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/13/2011 11:21:16 AM

If he had kept up his winning percentage, he likely would've been long gone to a Big 6 program. I don't know if his loyalty to his alma mater could trump the cash they might've thrown at him.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/13/2011 11:32:05 AM

Pataskala wrote:

If he had kept up his winning percentage, he likely would've been long gone to a Big 6 program. I don't know if his loyalty to his alma mater could trump the cash they might've thrown at him.

If he'd been able to maintain that winning percentage he would have at least been able to kkep his job at Ohio. Unfortunately his winning percentage after Trent left was 54%. But what really did him in was our performance in the MAC Tourney.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/13/2011 10:47:20 PM

O'Shea and Groce have never earned a seed higher than 4th in the MAC. How many top three finishes Ohio teams in the regular season under Hunter.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/13/2011 11:06:41 PM

I don't really like where this thread started - or where it may be going. I was not a big supporter of the get rid of Hunter movement - but certainly by now this is an irrelevant and unproductive discussion. I feel pretty confident that Groce's career winning % will be close to Danny Nee's (.614 - better than Jim Snyder) after the next 2, and at most 3 years.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/14/2011 1:46:27 PM

oubobcatjohn wrote:

O'Shea and Groce have never earned a seed higher than 4th in the MAC. How many top three finishes Ohio teams in the regular season under Hunter.

And yet all 3 have been to the same number of NCAA Tournaments, not to mention Groce advancing to the 2nd round. That's the sad commentary on Larry.

The program was a mess at the end. He had to go.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/15/2011 1:38:17 AM

Mumble, mumble......Jim Phelan......mumble....something....(trails off).......

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/15/2011 11:03:40 AM

Jim Boone at West Virginia Wesleyan...

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/21/2011 7:32:24 PM

Hunter has reached the 600-win NCAA coaching milestone (601-326 as of 11/21) after beating the mighty Montreat College Cavaliers on November 15.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_men's_basketball_coaches_with_600_wins

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/21/2011 11:22:51 PM

I give Hunter respect in his achivement of 600. As there have not been many coaches to reach this goal. I see no use to discuss "what if" . Larry had a good run here at Ohio, but really became complacent and lost his edge. He regained the coaching mode while at NC State moving on to W. Carolina where he has a good W/L record. Proud of Larry Hunter, but happy with JG.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 7:45:30 AM

Panda wrote:

What about TOS?

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 8:00:17 AM

And if Solich had a better winning percentage he would have stayed at Nebraska. Would you rather have Hunter coaching bball (instead of Groce) or Solich coaching football? Give me Solich and Groce.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 10:18:33 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

What about TOS?

What about him? He was just as successful as Larry Hunter was after Gary Trent. The last 6 seasons under Hunter we had a .545 winning percentage. TOS had a .558 winning percentage. Frankly I thought it was time for both of them to move on when they did.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 10:50:38 AM

I think Solich averaged 9-3 a year in his tenure at Nebraska, including a national championship. We got him because the then AD, Steve Pederson, was and is an idiot. His quote at the time was something like " we are Nebraska and deserve something better". Oh really?

Our AD at the time wanted to get rid of Larry in the worst way. He had one year remaining on his contract and a pretty nice team coming back. He should have been given the opportunity to coach the last year of his contract. We bought him out. Since when are we in the position to buy out coaches contracts? This still sticks in my craw. Larry was an Ohio man, through and through. This travesty would not have happened in the old days. It's not like he had a terrible season. The AD couldn't take the chance that he might have won the MAC in his last year and then would not have been able to fire him. It not like we're OSU and we fire a guy and bring in a proven winner. We're Ohio and we fire a proven winner and bring in an unproven asst. coach. Then spin it and say "we're moving to the next level." Please.

Larry's mistake was not leaving after the Trent years. But as I said, he was an Ohio man through and through.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 11:36:32 AM

Hey, giacomo has it right. TB was a real egomaniac. Not only did he fire Larry in a very unprofessional manner, according to a source close to the situation he drove Grobe away several years prior to when Grobe would otherwise have left. Supposedly, Grobe got into a big fight with TB in his office, slammed the door and went to his own office and dusted off his resume and made the football world know that he was available. This jibes with some things his wife told me about his plans at about that time. Also, don't let TB tell you he hired Solich . . . that hire occurred above his pay grade -- in the president's office. Interesting, the same thing happened when Grobe was hired. Mack was on his way out, and Glidden did the hiring. The only good thing I can see that came out of the TB Era was the building of some stadiums for some of the non-revenue sports. Oh yes, and the desire and plans to get some BCS home games in football.

Last Edited: 11/22/2011 12:14:22 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 12:23:07 PM

Great posts, these last two. That's why this site rules. Never saw those gems in the torpid Athens press.

Frank never won a national championship at Nebraska though. And there were certain reasons to question his control of the team and effectiveness of recruiting.

Not trying to start $hite, just enjoying an unfettered discourse.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 12:35:50 PM

giacomo wrote:

Frank made a national championship game. The Cornhuskers stepped up from the Big 8 to the Big XII so more losses by the program should have been tolerated and accepted.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 8:22:36 PM

PutnamField wrote:

Great posts, these last two. That's why this site rules. Never saw those gems in the torpid Athens press.

Another reason this site rules - I bet that's the first use ever of the adjective "torpid" on a NCAA fan forum!

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/22/2011 11:35:01 PM

Again.....

Larry = 1 NCAA Tournament
TOS = 1 NCAA Tournament
Groce = 1 NCAA Tournament (2nd Round)

Why does this thread even exist? Larry was great for a span, but all good things come to an end.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/23/2011 1:06:57 AM

Dunno. Think I might be ready for a Bryant College update but can't summon the will to Google it.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/23/2011 8:55:12 AM

I'll say this for TOS...with far inferior talent, he's playing a much more competitive schedule then we are this year, and it's not even really close. I know the reasoning behind everything and I already told you reasons why our schedule is interesting, but San Diego State, Notre Dame, Providence (I know), Boston College, and Arizona is a pretty good dividend for the 25 Bryan Faithful that attend games.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/23/2011 12:46:50 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Given some of the prior less-than-stellar ADs we've had in the past, I'm thankful (timely Thanksgiving reference) we have Jim Schaus as Athletic Director-the man knows good coaching when he sees it and knows to retain it when possible.

For my money I thought Danny Nee outdid both Hunter and TOS. 2 NCAA appearances (with a win) in the 6-7 seasons he was here was not too shabby. Too bad he left for Nebraska as I think he could have taken Ohio to another level.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/23/2011 1:02:44 PM

You're right. Nee is the true standard-bearer for Ohio Bobcats basketball in the post-1975 era.

If you get a Nee or a Grobe, you roll out the red carpet and try to delight them with your excellence.

Groce mines a different region and type of player and has shown some success, but it was heady stuff when Nee was bringing in very good East Coast players including high-scoring forwards and centers.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/23/2011 6:32:28 PM

You're absolutely right. I'd put Nee right below Snyder on our all-time coaches list. If we could have kept him around, I can only imagine the possibilities. As it turns out, he had several middling seasons at Nebraska before heading to "early retirement" at Duquesne.

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RE: Hunter in perspective

Posted: 11/23/2011 7:56:32 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Are you saying they play all of those teams at home? Of course not, but that is the only way that schedule would be beneficial for the fans who attend the games. I'm not sure how going on the road and getting slaughtered is beneficial for the fans who attend games.

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