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Chicken George
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Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/25/2011 11:26:57 PM

Dern! That would've been HUGE! Kind of thought they'd step on our throats all game long, then when up 6 with less than 4 minutes to go I really thought we were going to get one. Still, awfully proud of the squad tonight in what I thought could be another Kansas/Pitt type game. I was way wrong.

THE GOOD:
*DJ solid and the veteran floor general we needed. Didn't seem like he was 6-17 from the floor as I liked his shot selection, especially considering we were all perimeter. We needed him to do what he did.
*Stevie Taylor played well despite a few Freshman bad shots and turnovers.
*Reggie was our only inside presence tonight and played about as well as you could have hoped with little/no help.
*TJ Hall really played a nice game and stepped up when the guys who usually do what he did, weren't. Pretty clutch performance tonight.
*Our depth really showed tonight. I would've said blowout had you told me Kellog & Baltic would play a combined 25 minutes, shoot 1-7, score 2 total points and 4 turnovers. A lot of guys stepped up to keep us in this thing.
*Groce appeared to have his team ready to play. No doubt our guys came in to win.
*We kept coming back even on multiple occassions when I thought the wheels were coming off. Way to hang tough.

THE NOT SO GOOD:
*Jon Smith is one soft player on both ends. Would've been nice to have a guy like Kenny B. to get some of those 50/50 balls that our guys could not secure.
*Have noticed that Baltic"s game is not nearly the same versus non-MAC/more athletic teams. He really struggles against talller, more athletic guys who play good post defense. Fade aways, blocked shots, offensive fouls--his stuff just doesn't translate as well against better teams.
*Speaking of the paint, we really didn't have a guy we could dump it down to who could take it to the basket. In fact, we haven't had that in awhile. As stated above, Reggie was the only choice tonight and with that we are a very guard oriented team.
*Really expected Offutt to step up in this game, but I felt like he didn't. I really would've like for him to assert himself a little more, but he disappeared when I thought he may try to take the game on his shoulders. Hope he develops that kind of confidence and "go-to" type guy mentality.
*This time next year I expect Goard to 2 hand dunk those rebounds he got under the basket where he nervously passed it back out like a hot potato.
*You notice that even his teammates don't want to pass the ball to Ricardo on offense. Very athletic, just the confidence to put the ball in the hole. For now, if I was the opposition I would not even guard him outside of 13 feet.

CONCLUSION:
This was a moral victory, though I honestly felt we were the better team tonight. We play on all cyclinders, we win. Then again, unless we saw a very off night, I don't see this Louisville team as being in the Top 10 very long. Really smelled the opportunity for an early season defining win that puts us on the map. Instead, hopefully it's a confidence booster that gets us ready for similar games down the road--one of which is our next game versus Marshall that finished their deal at UC tonight. Interesting to see if we come out firing vs. Marshall, or come out flat? You tell me 24 hours ago we're up by 6 with less than 4 minutes to play-- I say I take it and I'm happy. But I still go to bed with the sick feel in my stomach of a missed opportunity.

Last Edited: 11/25/2011 11:37:10 PM by Chicken George

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/25/2011 11:36:38 PM

The way we moved the ball around, I was surprised we finished with only 7 assists.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 12:32:02 AM

This is not a game where you can tell much by the stat sheet. DJ's line is ugly, but everyone agrees he played well. And if I told you we would shoot 38% from the field and 50% from the line, turn it over a quarter of the time, and give up more offensive rebounds than we got defensive rebounds, you'd think it was a massacre, right?

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 12:53:51 AM

There is a lot that this games stat lines won't tell you - firstly that this was a real battle.

What I come away with from watching the game at the arena - we did not lose the game because we could not stop them enough times in the paint - but we also did not win it because we could not execute enough times in the paint.

RS Bobcat

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 1:39:09 AM

I like DJ Cooper but let's face it...his shooting per centage has not very high and most seem to agree he will put up one or two bad shots a game. Just gotta put up with the bad along with all the good. Hopefully, he develops a more consistent shot and gets the shooting per centage up as he matures.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 8:07:21 AM

I don't care what anyone says including the coach. This game was lost at the line. Look at the disparity of attempts between us and Louisville. It wasn't the rebounding, or anything else, just free throws.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 5:08:42 PM

JSF wrote:

Agreed. The frustrating thing is we didn't play particularly well in certain areas, although we played extremely well in others (defense and effort). Too many lost opportunities to get the W but still encouraging. I can't recall so many balls just slipping through our hands. They had at least 10 points on balls that we just couldn't corral under our own basket. The announcers touched on the ball being slick early on and I'm wondering if that was the case because it sure looked like it (both sides).

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 7:03:41 PM

All the Cards fans were saying the same thing - everyone thought there was vasoline on the ball.

RS Bobcat

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 7:25:19 PM

Must have been using "The Rock"--the official ball of the Patriot League.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 8:58:12 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

Did you watch the game? If so, you might want to reconsider your post. Four games into the season, this was a great game for the Bobcats. A basket here, a turnover there, a made free throw and there are 200 posters on this board.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 9:03:32 PM

71 Bobcat...we may have graduated in the same year but you are wrong on this one. Second chance points 22-6 Louisville. Gave up way too many offensive rebounds to Louisville. That is a size thing and, as I said, a thing every MAC teams gives up when going up against a Top 10 team. We keep them even on the offensive glass and we win. Fouls called and free throws you CANNOT control. Rebounding, you CAN control.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/26/2011 10:32:59 PM

Casper71 wrote:

for a great portion of this game, we were even with them on the offensive glass, we just weren't scoring with the additional opportunities. At one point, I think we had 11 off. boards, but only had 4 2nd chance points to show for it.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/27/2011 7:55:07 AM

Chicken George wrote:

*Have noticed that Baltic"s game is not nearly the same versus non-MAC/more athletic teams. He really struggles against talller, more athletic guys who play good post defense. Fade aways, blocked shots, offensive fouls--his stuff just doesn't translate as well against better teams.

Rewatched a portion of the game last night and I think Ivo may be getting a bit of a bum rap here. Part of what you say is true but I think he was a victim of the men in stripes more than anything on Friday. His 2nd charge was a crap call if you aak me. No way did the defender have his feet set in front of him and the 3rd foui wasn't even his foul. Offutt raked the guy across the arm and they gave the foul to Ivo. So Ivo only sees the court for 14 minutes. Even with his limited time he still managed to grab 5 offensive rebounds. No doubt he needs to adapt his game better in getting his shot off against bigger players but I don't think his game is that far off. Dieng is averaging nearly 4 blocks a game so he has that effect on a lot of players.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/27/2011 9:27:01 AM

OUVan wrote:

Chicken George wrote:

Rewatched a portion of the game last night and I think Ivo may be getting a bit of a bum rap here.

AGREED. That second charge call on Ivo, does not get called in Big East play. It just doesn't. That was just an early in the year bad call by the refs. With that said I will definitely agree that Ivo has to learn how to adapt his game offensively to taller more athletically gifted bigs however. I personally feel he has the ability to do so, but it takes reps and a certain mindset, to know when to go to different moves. And to do so with confidence.

Add'l thoughts:
- I thought Offut if anything was juiced to play against some top flight competition. As well as to play against a former Indiana standout in Kuric. If anything I think he was over aggressive.
- I liked seeing what Keely was able to do, although his turnover late, was brutal. I'm putting that one on Groce and/or the guards. He's not that kind of player offensively to face-up and make a move from 17' out at that point in the game.
- Stevie Taylor, (first time seeing the kid play) is an offensively aggressive frosh isn't he. The threes he pulled were Basset-esque. Extremely quick trigger. He and DJ work fairly well together (disregarding the size they give up defensively).
- someone find Flomo's phone number over seas and have him call Smith immediately. He appears to have the same physical attributes, maybe a hair lighter in the pants. But needs to play THAT role. Rebound (in and out of his area), defend.
- TJ Hall and Johnson were both nice sparks off the bench. It looks like Rico's defensive ability is further along than his offensive game. Love his athletic ability on that end though. Just needs more confidence in his offensive moves. TJ, played a pretty good game. Moved the ball, nice stroke.

- DJ Cooper. This kid just has an on-switch during closing time, that is fun to watch. If I hadn't read here on the site that he was 6-17 from the field, I would not have known. I thought he played a great game. Save for one bad jack in the first half, it seemed like he played within the game. And let it come to him on the offensive side as the game went on.

I thoroughly enjoyed watching that game. Save for all the loose balls. I would love to criticize our guys for not being able to grab the d*#n ball. But L'ville had just as much trouble. They need to take that ball and throw it off of a cliff. I haven't seen that much fumbling of the leather since my 6yo's game a couple weeks back.

Loved the effort from beginning to end. This has the makings of being a very enjoyable season.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/27/2011 9:43:32 AM

Nice post slimmy....as always.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/27/2011 10:29:09 AM

Many of you have quickly dismissed my earlier post that the game was lost at the foul line. The facts are the went to the line 8 times compared to 22 for Louisville. That's a difference of 14. Louisville obviously got the call as they were more aggressive inside than us. Even if we hit our free throws @ 50%, like we did for this game we add 7 additional points, and we win.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/27/2011 11:56:52 AM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

I would call that losing it in the paint - that's what got them TO the foul line.......and us not

RS Bobcat

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/27/2011 3:20:46 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

We would've gotten a three-point bonus?

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/27/2011 8:16:31 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

If we would have had the size advantage we would have taken it inside a lot more like they did. We didn't. We gave up a season high in offensive boards. We committed a season high in turnovers. You can't just point to one thing and say that is the reason we lost.

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RE: Louisville Post game Reviews

Posted: 11/27/2011 9:38:07 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

I hear this argument all the time. I remember confronting an Akron fan in the COnvo last year as he was yelling at the refs to "even up the fouls" ....as if Dambrots kids were not manhandling OUr guys after getting drilled at home the first game last year. THERE IS NOT A RULE OR MANDATE THAT SAYS FOULS SHOULD BE EVEN!.

We are an aggressively pursuing overplaying the passing lanes, hedge the ball screens hard and challenge every shot team on defense while we are a perimeter passing, jump shooting, ball goes into the post and goes either on the deck after a moment to size up the defense and wait for the double team and then shoot a fadeaway instead of turn to the bucket ans shoot team.

Translated ......On D we are going to gamble and play really aggressive choosing to have defense create some of our Offense off turnovers. Gambles and overplaying the D will get you fouls but with a deep backcourt we can afford those and keep the ball out of the hands of the opposing bigs.

On Offense we dont punch and penetratewith our guards/wings in the half court to draw fouls. We use high ball screens and pass around the pereimeter to create space for jumpers. When one of the bigs does seal he does not turn and shoot immediately like Leon was so good at doing. They tend to turn and face and then dribble. In the first 3 games the ball went in the black hole in the middle and then to the floor. If I am preparing for a team like that I am packing it in and putting a guard down low with his palms up and taking the ball away and NOT getting a foul on him while my bigs wall up and force the fadeaway jumper knowing I am not going to have to defend the perimeter once it goes inside.

ALl of this plays into a foul disparity. I expevt to see that this year especially against teams that handle the ball and force us to use our hands and arms instead of moving the feet because OUr kids are a tad slow and use therie appendages rather than use their bodies. Get used to the disparity and dont be one of those jokers making themselves the fool becauze they cant grasp the concept that there may be a disparity. Not dumping on you because I see you quoted the Cards being aggressive to the hole

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