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TheRealCat
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  Message Not Read  OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/22/2011 11:41:52 PM 
I’ve been looking around with all the conference switching mess that’s going on in the NCAA, and I’m wondering how long before we will get an invite from another conference. I think OU is perfect for the Big East. They have already considered Temple, and with the teams they are inviting, there is no reason for us to not get at least a consideration. People can say OUr football stadium isn’t big enough..Huston and SMU have invites and they are under 33,000. We could easily add another 5,000-8,000 seats if needed. Cincinnati gets it done with 35,000. The Convo is without a question big enough..it would be the 3rd biggest big east basketball arena next year throwing out Syracuse when they leave. And Recruiting will do nothing but get better, especially with the steps the programs are making now, so we would become more competitive. OUr enrollment is towards the upper 75% of the Big East if we were plugged into the conference right now, if u was wondering that. And there is no way we could lose money from leaving the MAC and going to the Big East.

OUr programs are growing; I don’t think anyone can deny that. The basketball program has made steps, football is getting consistent and having great seasons, and the volleyball program is great even outside of the MAC.

Football: Winning MAC championships 3 of the 6 years, and improving the program every year, and really establishing a “base” the last 6 or so years. Frank has improved the program tremendously with what he has done, and seems like we have been going bowling a lot lately..that first bowl win will come soon, especially with Tettleton, this kid is for real, if he was taller he might be in line to be taking snaps at a top 25 school. We did just have Taylor Price get drafted (2nd round i believe) before anyone from the school in Columbus, and i see Brazill getting looked at pretty hard by NFL scouts.

Basketball: Coach Groce hasn’t had us way over .500 in his short stint here, but I sure hope he stays around. From his recruits and his coaching style, I can’t argue any of it. He has a great staff, and hopefully he can keep them all around. Since he took the helm here the program is making big strides. Records are not always everything, he proved that when he took us to the NCAA tournament 2 years ago. We are a good big man from being a great team (top 25 vote worthy) this year and next with this guard play, because Baltic makes a great 4 man. DJ and Offutt are 2 of the best in the conference, and Kellogg is certainly up there.. I know you could say we couldn’t compete, but take last season, DePaul was 1-17 in the conference, 7 wins overall? And Seton Hall, Providence, South Florida and Rutgers all finished under .500. I know we can do better than that, I mean, “What’s a Hoya?”


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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 1:28:28 AM 
I like what you did there.

If we were to get an invite, and accept, you will see some hotel construction going up...
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 1:33:38 AM 
Wellston_Bobcat wrote:
I like what you did there.

If we were to get an invite, and accept, you will see some hotel construction going up...


Thats for sure. You have brought a different aspect to the table, what it would do for the area. What students or fans of other schools, in a bigger conference like the big east does not want to travel here to have a night at the number one party school in the nation? Athens would grow on this move


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Jeff McKinney
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 2:32:36 AM 
We simply do not have the financial resources or media market to join the Big East.  
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 8:50:00 AM 
What kind of dope is being smoked on this board?

It ain't happening people. They don't want us and we can't afford them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 10:06:48 AM 
I'm holding out for the ACC or Big 10.  There's bound to be a huge bidding war for the Southeast Ohio market share.   Meigs County is the key to all of this.  If you bring Ohio into your conference you get Meigs County.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 10:15:51 AM 
Money.Media market. No.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 11:19:38 AM 
It's piling on at this point but... as much as I love our Bobcats, we:
  • Sit in one of the nation's poorest and least populated regions
  • Have no state-wide following beyond alumni (and we can't even count on all of them)
  • Have no large corporate presence to help fund athletics
  • Have been near the top of MAC football and hoops for a while now, but have absolutely NOT dominated them - ever
If conference membership were purely determined by passion for the school, size of the school, academic quality, I'd climb right on the "let's go big" bandwagon. But it's not, and never will be. Let's stop having pipe dreams and concentrate on excelling when, where and how we can. For me, that means quit bitching about the MAC and learning to love it. Our success is tied to its success.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 11:36:33 AM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
For me, that means quit bitching about the MAC and learning to love it. Our success is tied to its success.


Agreed.  Instead of looking for a better conference we need to look at ways to make the conference better. I think a lot of good work has been done in that area just by some of the recent hires in the MAC West.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 2:08:46 PM 
Right now the MAC East looks daunting enough if early returns hold up.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 4:08:26 PM 
This is just my opinion but I believe OHIO should and and has the resources to get a lot more serious about men's basketball. Ohio should be playing schools like Temple, Butler, VCU home and away every season. Louisville AND Kentucky on the road yearly. I don't mind playing 3-4 tune up games against the MEAC or Southland Conference but I think the fans of the Convo deserve more. The best aspect about the Hunter regime was scheduling. Ohio played schedules back in those days that were the envy of the league in those days. The goal here should be to build a program that is worthy of an at-large bid to the NCAAs and with a significant amount of TV time. Win the MAC East something Ohio has never done in Men's basketball.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 4:11:43 PM 
I move that all Conference Realignment threads be deleted in the minutes following their posting.

The people posting them clearly need to get a life.

They are embarrassing to me.

Sweet Budda on a BMX bike, are y'all serious?
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catfan28
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 6:28:06 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
It's piling on at this point but... as much as I love our Bobcats, we:
  • Sit in one of the nation's poorest and least populated regions
  • Have no state-wide following beyond alumni (and we can't even count on all of them)
  • Have no large corporate presence to help fund athletics
  • Have been near the top of MAC football and hoops for a while now, but have absolutely NOT dominated them - ever
Exactly....conferences care a lot more about media markets than facilities or attendance. The size of your media market directly determines what kind of TV deal the conference can receive. We do not bring ANYTHING in terms of this, and thus are not (and will not) be on the radar. Any notions of hopping to the BCS should be put to bed quickly - let's just enjoy the MAC for now.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/23/2011 11:49:10 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
What kind of dope is being smoked on this board?

It ain't happening people. They don't want us and we can't afford them.


Prolly pretty good stuff - we are the #1 party school.....and prior mention of Meig's County seems to have something to do with that.....

But I like the spirit:

http://youtu.be/Ib43Lfdivdw



Last Edited: 11/23/2011 11:54:50 PM by RSBobcat


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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/24/2011 8:31:41 AM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
I move that all Conference Realignment threads be deleted in the minutes following their posting.

The people posting them clearly need to get a life.

They are embarrassing to me.

Sweet Budda on a BMX bike, are y'all serious?



+2!!


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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/24/2011 8:43:50 PM 
Media Markets, seriously?  Stillwater, Oklahoma, Starksville, Mississippi, Blacksburg, Virginia, Morgantown, West Virginia, Oxford, Mississippi, Ames, Iowa,  State College, Pennsylvania, Auburn, Alabama, yea those are powerhouse media markets.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/24/2011 10:16:21 PM 
ou79 wrote:
Media Markets, seriously?  Stillwater, Oklahoma, Starksville, Mississippi, Blacksburg, Virginia, Morgantown, West Virginia, Oxford, Mississippi, Ames, Iowa,  State College, Pennsylvania, Auburn, Alabama, yea those are powerhouse media markets.


How many times do we have to go through this? Please, just stop.
  • Oklahoma State = BCS and one of three FBS schools in its state with a state-wide following
  • Mississippi State = BCS and one of three FBS schools in its state with a state-wide following
  • Virginia Tech= BCS and one of two FBS schools in its state with a devoted state-wide following
  • West Virginia = Flagship state university, BCS and one of two FBS schools in its state
  • Ole Miss = BCS and one of three FBS schools in its state with a state-wide following
  • Iowa State = BSC and one of two FBS schools in its state with a state-wide following
  • Penn State = Flagship state university, BCS, and strong regional following
  • Auburn = BCS, and one of four FBS schools in its state with a strong regional following
  • Alabama = BCS, and one of four FBS schools in its state with a strong regional following
Ohio = One of eight FBS schools in the state, no regional following, no state-wide following, not BCS, in a state dominated exclusively by poisonous nuts (to the point where hundreds of Ohio students wore Bucknut gear with OU gear to both O$U games -- I witnessed this in person). Ohio is so dominated by O$U that most Ohioans literally don't even realize that UC is a BCS school. But yeah, we can be the Auburn of Ohio if we just hope hard enough.

Wanting what's best for Ohio is great. Being delusional is not helpful.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/24/2011 11:15:12 PM 
Good post, Recovering Journalist.  
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   Posted: 11/25/2011 5:57:07 AM 
Yea, nice post R.J., but this is a basketball thread and I was talking about local media markets.  Both Mississippi and West Virginia are two of the least populated states in the nation.  Stillwater, Oklahoma sits in the middle of nowhere as well as Oxford, Starksville, Blacksburg, Morgantown, State College, Ames and the other locations I mentioned.  As for VT, go back 25-30 years and you will find their football stadium small by any comparison.  Old Mountaineer field in Morgantown was lucky to seat 33K on a good day and until recently they still had a hard time filling the new stadium.  Ole Miss played the No. 1 team in the nation last Saturday night and by the end of the 1st quarter people were already leaving.  By the start of the second half there were less people in the stands then what we had for Miami in Peden for Tuesday night, and most of those were either players' parents/family, some students and a lot of L.S.U. faithful.  But yea, nice post R.J., way to think small.  If we really want to put ourselves out of our misery, why not join the O.A.C.?  Perhaps we are already headed in that direction with the scheduling of a regular season game with Marietta?
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   Posted: 11/25/2011 9:18:59 AM 
ou79 wrote:
Media Markets, seriously?  Stillwater, Oklahoma, Starksville, Mississippi, Blacksburg, Virginia, Morgantown, West Virginia, Oxford, Mississippi, Ames, Iowa,  State College, Pennsylvania, Auburn, Alabama, yea those are powerhouse media markets.


Exactly. To stake a media market claim OHIO is counting its campus wide enrollment numbers which are an important factor in determining numbers for a media deal. Ohio with 40,000 system wide students with several thousand of those through reciprocity agreements with community colleges across the state can lay claim to a significant statewide presence. OHIO doesn't have a media market problem as much as a performance problem. mediocre performance through the years has prevented the fans from coming out and major donors for facility upgrades. OHIO builds a reputation as a regular top 40 basketball school with 10,000 in the house regularly that changes things. 


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   Posted: 11/25/2011 9:36:33 AM 
ou79 wrote:
Yea, nice post R.J., but this is a basketball thread and I was talking about local media markets.  Both Mississippi and West Virginia are two of the least populated states in the nation.  Stillwater, Oklahoma sits in the middle of nowhere as well as Oxford, Starksville, Blacksburg, Morgantown, State College, Ames and the other locations I mentioned.  As for VT, go back 25-30 years and you will find their football stadium small by any comparison.  Old Mountaineer field in Morgantown was lucky to seat 33K on a good day and until recently they still had a hard time filling the new stadium.  Ole Miss played the No. 1 team in the nation last Saturday night and by the end of the 1st quarter people were already leaving.  By the start of the second half there were less people in the stands then what we had for Miami in Peden for Tuesday night, and most of those were either players' parents/family, some students and a lot of L.S.U. faithful.  But yea, nice post R.J., way to think small.  If we really want to put ourselves out of our misery, why not join the O.A.C.?  Perhaps we are already headed in that direction with the scheduling of a regular season game with Marietta?


The key is changing the attitude of alumni. That attitude changes when the school starts to play on a bigger stage then just contending for division titles. OHIO needs to step the schedule up and treat the alumni to some real non-conference competition. Joining a "BCS" conference isn't necessary as much as winning on a bigger stage. That will give the school a statewide following. Playing high profile games in Cleveland in football and basketball and winning will get the state behind the OHIO brand. Every school that has made itself into a significant brand out of nowhere whether that is Boise State, Virginia Tech or Gonzaga has done it by winning big in the non-conference AND big in the postseason.


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   Posted: 11/25/2011 9:45:30 PM 
Pitino on Ohio after the game "this is a bigeast type of opponent."


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   Posted: 11/25/2011 10:14:46 PM 
TheRealCat wrote:
Pitino on Ohio after the game "this is a bigeast type of opponent."


Pitino has always given the Cats love. Said the same things when we played UK tough years ago.


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   Posted: 11/30/2011 12:09:20 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
ou79 wrote:
Yea, nice post R.J., but this is a basketball thread and I was talking about local media markets.  Both Mississippi and West Virginia are two of the least populated states in the nation.  Stillwater, Oklahoma sits in the middle of nowhere as well as Oxford, Starksville, Blacksburg, Morgantown, State College, Ames and the other locations I mentioned.  As for VT, go back 25-30 years and you will find their football stadium small by any comparison.  Old Mountaineer field in Morgantown was lucky to seat 33K on a good day and until recently they still had a hard time filling the new stadium.  Ole Miss played the No. 1 team in the nation last Saturday night and by the end of the 1st quarter people were already leaving.  By the start of the second half there were less people in the stands then what we had for Miami in Peden for Tuesday night, and most of those were either players' parents/family, some students and a lot of L.S.U. faithful.  But yea, nice post R.J., way to think small.  If we really want to put ourselves out of our misery, why not join the O.A.C.?  Perhaps we are already headed in that direction with the scheduling of a regular season game with Marietta?


The key is changing the attitude of alumni. That attitude changes when the school starts to play on a bigger stage then just contending for division titles. OHIO needs to step the schedule up and treat the alumni to some real non-conference competition. Joining a "BCS" conference isn't necessary as much as winning on a bigger stage. That will give the school a statewide following. Playing high profile games in Cleveland in football and basketball and winning will get the state behind the OHIO brand. Every school that has made itself into a significant brand out of nowhere whether that is Boise State, Virginia Tech or Gonzaga has done it by winning big in the non-conference AND big in the postseason.


The bigger stage, yes, I agree. But I think the first step to re/engaging alumni is to strategically schedule BB games in key alumni markets and align the local alumni groups to mobilize a massive push for a pre-gamer/attendance/post-game event. I saw it happen relatively well a few years back here in Chicago when we played DePaul. I know other alumni reps on this board do a good job of leveraging nearby games, but what do we have to work with this year? Wright State. That's it. Good opportunity to engage Dayton/Cincy alums. We can be doing more across the country re: alumni engagement if the schedule allows.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OU and The Big East....
   Posted: 11/30/2011 1:23:36 AM 
You all are going to need to sell a lot more tickets to your stadium expand it and it can't have anything to do with those closed off bleacher sections before you're in the Big East.

Not trying to put you all down, but it felt like I was in a high school football visiting section there... and if we sold that whole area out and then some, imagine Louisville what Cincinnati would do.
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