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71 BOBCAT
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Cooper

Posted: 12/4/2011 10:59:28 AM

I know many will jump all over me for this comment but I feel that it needs to be said.
Cooper shooting is awful and I believe it could be hurting the team.
Yes many will say we are 5-1, and therefore I'm crazy.
Well we have only played 1 very good team. Most of are game are with very weak teams. There aren't any spreads on these games like Lamar & Morgan State to name just 2.
His shooting percentage is down from last year.
Our opponent will now welcome him to shoot 3's.
If he improved his shooting over last year he would then be the best player in the league.
Last year he shot @ a 38% rate, this year he is @ 29%. In 3's LY was 29% & TY 23%.
He has a lot of work to do and I think that coach needs to limit his number of shots per game.
This post clearly is fact based and while many like this kid, including me, his shooting is awful this year, fact!

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/4/2011 11:16:26 AM

I don't think that your assessment is too harsh. I worry less about the misses and more about the shot selection. The 5 feet behind the arc launches. The shots with a fresh shot clock and the lead in the closing minutes. And finally, the buzzer beater plays (or lack of) that end up with Cooper double teamed and launching up a prayer.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/4/2011 12:27:40 PM

And I thought I was the only one. I cringe every time I hear someone gush about how he is the greatest PG in OU history. I want my PG to know how to manage the clock. And that includes when to jack up a thirty foot three, and In his case never. Think of it this way, when he goes 3 for 10 from the field, that is a possible 21 points we could have scored from people who can actually shoot.
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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/4/2011 3:14:05 PM

71, shot selection is an issue, but I don't agree with your assessment of our schedule. Both Louisville and Marshall are good. Lamar is respected this year. I'll grant you UT Martin isn't very good. Morgan St. is definitely better than their record indicates.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/4/2011 3:30:12 PM

Ask yourself this question...would you rather have Bert Whittington running the point?

I'm guilty of wanting DJ to make better decisions as well, but we do have one of the best point guards in the country. I'm expecting a big-time effort out of him Wednesday night.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/4/2011 6:44:26 PM

People, he only took 10 shots against Morgan State! If he is taking 20 to 25 shots per game and shooting that percentage then you can be worried, but I don't care what shots he takes if he only takes 10 per game. He can chuck it from half if he is only taking 10 shots for all i care. he isn't taking shots away from people at that number. he would be taking shots away from other if he was taking 20-25 at that percentage and that is when the worry would kick in.

As far as the best PG ever...please look at our single season and career records for Ohio Basketball. He is all over the place! Poor shot selection or not, the steals, assists and points don't lie.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/4/2011 8:32:58 PM

Uh, Voice of Reason...not sure I want guys shooting 1-10 shooting any. Especially if they are under 30% for the year. He is obviously in a shooting funk but very effective getting others into the flow. At one time, I thought he could be a Nick Van Exel type that plays defense. Not so sure anymore. He really needs to step up his shooting per centage. The rest of his game is pretty good.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 12:02:48 AM

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?3-dj-cooper=career&add=kendall-marshall&jordan-taylor=career&kendall-marshall=career&p1=3-dj-cooper&p2=jordan-taylor&p3=terrell-holloway&terrell-holloway=career

statsheet.com is a fun site. dj vs three of the best pg in basketball.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 9:16:05 AM

DJ Cooper is, and should continue to be, the first option on this team. In our system, which works best as an attacking system, I'm fine with 2 or 3 bad shots a game so long as they help to establish the correct pace for the offense. It would be a mistake, a very grave mistake, for Groce to risk damaging DJ's confidence 6 games into the season because he's had a couple of poor shooting nights during a 5-1 start. As DJ goes, so goes Ohio. Let him ride out his shooting slump, and we'll be better off for it.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 11:10:05 AM

PG73 wrote:

First of all, he is the best PG in Ohio history, at least since 1978. I don't think it's even close. Yes, he takes some ill advised shots both too far and too early in the shot clock. But the good so far outweighs the two or three bad shots a game that it's mind boggling that so many people harp on it.

Let's get real here. Yes the 7 shots he misses a game are a potential 21 points we could have scored, IF WE SHOOT 1.000% FROM THREE POINT LAND. 45% is an average percentage from the field. 33% is a average percentage from 3. He is a career 43% shooter from inside the arc. But point guards are going to have lower percentages than most players because they are the player who has the ball in their hands as the shot clock is winding down so they will take a higher percentage of desperation shots. Essentially you are complaining about one shot a game that he misses that other players might make. When we bench DJ we might as well sit everybody's new fave Walter Offutt who is hitting 19% from three but I noticed he still keeps taking them but nobody says boo about it and rightfully so because Offutt does a lot of other things good that help the team win. Just like Cooper.

Yes, it would be great if he would stop taking the 25 footer early in the shot clock. Yes, it would be great if Groce could knock that into his head. Our team is 1,000 times better when DJ Cooper is on the floor than when he's not even with the occasional exasperating shot.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 11:34:04 AM

I think as the season plays out, assists will be the key stat line for DJ. We have weapons and for the first time in recent memory Depth.

Speaking of 3's though, did anyone notice the 3 Stevie "launched" at Marshall the other night. It would have made Bubba blush!

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 12:11:35 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

Speaking of 3's though, did anyone notice the 3 Stevie "launched" at Marshall the other night. It would have made Bubba blush!

He made two of those against Louisville.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 12:28:15 PM

I've been meaning to run the numbers and hopefully get a chance to do so one of these nights but it seems like he has a completely different mindset the last 4 minutes of games. At times during the other 36 minutes he seems to settle for jumpers but as soon as they break out of the final media timeout he's on a mission. Attacking the lane, dropping the dimes that leave us all drooling and coming up with huge steals. Hopefully I can sort through the numbers to see if true but that's what it seems like watching the first few games.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 12:48:16 PM

Ryan Molnar wrote:

Attacking the lane, dropping the dimes that leave us all drooling and coming up with huge steals. Hopefully I can sort through the numbers to see if true but that's what it seems like watching the first few games.

Cooper would have a much higher percentage if he had Cooper passing him the ball.

Last Edited: 12/5/2011 2:25:11 PM by OUVan

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 1:54:03 PM

Just win baby.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 3:43:06 PM

OUVan wrote:

Ryan Molnar wrote:

Cooper would have a much higher percentage if he had Cooper passing him the ball.

Taylor and Offutt pass the ball pretty well themselves.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 5:01:53 PM

Ryan Molnar wrote:

Taylor and Offutt pass the ball pretty well themselves.

Offutt much more so than Taylor at this point. There's tons of potential there but right now he seems to look for his shot first. He's played what amounts to three full games and has 5 assists so far and is a negative on the asst/to ratio. Cooper had 24 assists in his first 90 minutes as a freshman. I'm not trying to knock Taylor because he's young and should develop nicely but he's nowhere near Cooper's league right now. Obviously, Taylor hasn't had the same opportunity to run the team like DJ did as a freshman but that still doesn't explain such a discrepancy.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 6:37:53 PM

The two most concerning things in looking at Cooper’s stats from his first two years and his start this year has been his rebounding and FG%. As a freshman he brought in 5.4 RPG, while last year he brought in 5 RPG. This year? Just 3.2.

As a freshman he shot 37.4% from the field, last year he shot 38.2% from the field and this year is at 29.9% from the field. He’s averaging just shy of 13 shots a game this year which is actually down from last year when he averaged 13.45. His assist:turnover ratio is at an almost identical 2.10 where last year he had a 2.13.

One possible assumption on the rebounding is the Offutt is cleaning up most of the boards as he is currently averaging 6.0 RPG while no other guard DJ has played with has come close to that his first two years. The shooting is atrocious though while possibly due to him shooting almost 1 extra 3 per game than his first two years (6.3 vs. 5.5 FR and SO years).

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 7:47:37 PM

oy vey. if only Gary Trent hadn't played before Al Gore invented the intenet, would love to see some of those threads.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 10:02:41 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

I know many will jump all over me for this comment but I feel that it needs to be said.
Cooper shooting is awful and I believe it could be hurting the team.

Dude, we've been having this conversation for a year now.

It seems as though Groce is convinced DJ will come around in time. We're seeing signs of progress; he struck just about a perfect balance against Marshall but pressed against Morgan State. I still wonder if his confidence in teammates fluctuates.

It's frustrating, though. Instead of improving across the board like we all wish, he just seems to be becoming more extreme in what he does well and what he doesn't. I will say this: He's not fishing for fouls nearly as much as last year.

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RE: Cooper (NT)

Posted: 12/5/2011 10:44:22 PM

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 11:38:40 PM

Jim G wrote:

This says it all! He rebounds, dishes, creates easy buckets from defense, provides gutty grind it out performances because he plays so many damn minutes (hopefully reduced this year for his stamina) and even with "bad shot selection" is very comparable in FG pct.

Again, I didn't think you people would need anything more than the Ohio Record books, but this gives you something else. Thanks, Jim G!

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 11:49:21 PM

OUVan wrote:

PG73 wrote:

So, you're willing to settle for some minutes of bad, disconcerting basketball in return for the good?

Shouldn't have to. DJ is good and smart enough to stop with the bad, not-team game stuff. It's fair for us to ask that of him.

Also, for those who throw out stats, well, maybe. But stats don't capture magnitude. An error or fine play six minutes into the game probably is not nearly as meaningful as the same play with 2:12 before game end. Talk to me about clutch.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/5/2011 11:55:24 PM

Voice of Reason wrote:

and even with "bad shot selection" is very comparable in FG pct

I have to disagree. Plus, not only is his FG% the worst of the four (especially behind the arc), but he also shoots more often than the other three. That is not a good combination. And if you make it just this year (albeit a small sample size), it's uglier. Did you put "bad shot selection" in quotes because you don't think he has poor shot selection?

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 12/8/2011 7:27:07 AM

Love DJ. He's pretty much had the same shot as the day he stepped on campus. I wish someone would get him in the gym and really work with him to improve his technique/form from behind the arc. I think he has the ability to be a great shooter. Yes he takes some bad shots which hurts his shooting %, but the uncontested shots he does take most of the time he's off balance and falling backwards. Then almost before he even releases the ball he's back pedaling down the court. No follow through at all.

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