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bornacatfan
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Cursing

Posted: 12/30/2011 11:57:59 PM

Ran across this article and immediately recalled our recent thread and discussion. COuld not immediately find it though.

Warren Central where Walt graduated is enacting a reather stringent policy along with some other significant HS programs. INteresting reading. Personally I am not as inclined to want to think it is as common place or rather that is so ubiquitous that it is acceptable. My grammie used to say that people of low breeding cursed because they were so ignorant that they did not have the vocabulary to express themselves intelligently......but then...she was a Miami grad pre depression.....which may or may not explain her position and feelings of intellectual superiority.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 12/31/2011 12:27:30 PM

I say, WTF, Cursing in sports is more natural and more acceptable because of the increased emotion and immediacy of the event. The classroom is not a competitive environment, or at least the competition isn't just within the timeframe of the day's class period. Any competition that goes on is spread out over the quarter, semester or academic year. Plus you don't have hundreds of screaming fans to add to the intensity, like you do in sports. And let's face it, profanity is more acceptable in society today. I remember people being appalled that Harry Truman said "Give 'em hell" or that Jimmy Carter said that if Ted Kennedy ran against him in 1980 "I'll whip his ass." That's mild compared to the language most politicians use today. Yeah, you don't want to hear it in a family venue like a high school or even college game, but until they start teaching good manners in school, profanity will be part of the game.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 12/31/2011 1:09:03 PM

I'm the first to admit that when I get emotional the quality of my vocab degrades. But I curse at situations, not people (thought to others that may be a distinction without a difference). And I need to toss this bad habit.

That said, give me a good reason for cursing. You can't.

Would your family members accept it?
Are there alternative ways to express the same thoughts?

There will be lots of discussion on this point, I'm sure. But further discussion is pointless; there's not a single, intelligent reason for it. There are so many stylish, smart , memorable ways to express the same thoughts in acceptable language. Don't we all remember well those who convey their thoughts by eloquence? Is the same true of those who curse?

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 12/31/2011 4:11:33 PM

#%&$ it!!!

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 12/31/2011 4:52:44 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Uh, I thought that was the job of the the parents. You can't expect bobcatsquared and the rest of the dedicated teachers in America to do everything. Resorting to continual cussing is a true sign of weakness in my opinion. There are simply other and better ways to get your point across.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 12/31/2011 7:22:02 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Actually, this is a topic we've discussed on more than one occassion in my classroom. We talk about setting and how something that might be appropriate in one setting might not be appropriate in another. I also make it a point to use my own two kids as examples of children that never hear nor use curse words in their home.

This makes two threads this week where I agree with Big Al (the other being Russ and Rob).

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 12/31/2011 8:07:53 PM

i like this message board 'cause there ain't a ton of vulgar cursin' on here

check out my avatar, it's "REALLY DO ORIGINAL" !!!!

Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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RE: Cursing

Posted: 12/31/2011 11:20:41 PM

Creative cursing gets my seal of approval. just don't be cliche.

Read Scott Raab's The Whore of Akron. It's so well crafted that by the second chapter you don't notice that every other word is a profanity directed at LeBron or Art Modell.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 1:29:36 AM

OUVan wrote:

#%&;$ it!!!

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 2:35:47 AM

Bill O'Reilly wrote:

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!

Love it!

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 7:26:26 AM

Pataskala wrote:

Don't you dare pawn the teaching of good manners off on the schools. That sits right in the laps of the poor ass parents who just flat out suck at setting the proper example for all children (not just their own). This includes "parents" at sporting events who curse at the drop of a hat without care for any children who are right there "learning". I guess they feel confident that one day the schools will teach children the proper way to conduct themselves in public.

That way they can keep being selfish which is what they do best.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 11:43:33 AM

Wilson Hall Record Holder wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Believe it or not, no matter how hard parents try to teach their kids good manners, it's usually undermined by other kids, music, media and some parents who use phrases like "poor ass" in front of them without thinking. My son's public elementary school doesn't have a specific manners class, but they have a code of conduct where students are expected to act responsibly and treat each other with respect, among other things. It helps. And there are schools -- some public -- that DO have more formal manners training because (1) they know that the kids won't learn it outside of school and (2) it makes their job a whole lot easier if the kids treat one another with respect and civility.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 2:06:17 PM

OUVan wrote:

#%&;;$ it!!!

Predictable. Puerile.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 8:49:23 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

When efficiency and effectiveness are paramount, nothing cuts through like well timed f-bombs.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 10:27:47 PM

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Believe it or not, no matter how hard parents try to teach their kids good manners, it's usually undermined by other kids, music, media and some parents who use phrases like "poor ass" in front of them without thinking. My son's public elementary school doesn't have a specific manners class, but they have a code of conduct where students are expected to act responsibly and treat each other with respect, among other things. It helps. And there are schools -- some public -- that DO have more formal manners training because (1) they know that the kids won't learn it outside of school and (2) it makes their job a whole lot easier if the kids treat one another with respect and civility.

REspectfully disagree. If you walk into my kitchen and look in the shelf with the cookbooks there is a 50 cent album that has been there since Tommy was 11. It got there when I allowed him to use his money to buy some music..... he put it in the car stereo, heard the lyrics and turned white as a sheet and began profusely apologizing. I told him he could put it up till he thought it was acceptable to listen to.... though he listens to a lot of nasty rap he has never touched that album. All my kids were taught with the same tenets.....I can't control what you hear or see but as gentlemen you should know that language is not acceptable.

To date in hearing them on the radio, in the press and reading their work I have been pleased with the way they conduct themselves. Add in the other addage 'your character can be summed up in how you act when you think no one is watching" and you ahve a pretty good recipe for success that will withstand a great deal of undermining. It starts at home. Despite musical, media, teacher and other parental influences..... those kids will always know what is acceptable by your actions and consistency as a parent.

Someone once told me ....Only 2 people in the world can screw a kid up ...MOM and DAD....you are either there all in or not. I think looking back that is a pretty good thought to build on. Teachers, music, media and other parents may provide examples but I like to think I have defined what I find acceptable and gave them the thought, example and willingness to examine situations inside and out of the house that they can conduct themselves accordingly regardless of pot smoking, free speech abusing faculty, cursing coaches, or peers throwing away their lives in bad decisions with out me monitoring their progress every step of the way by the time they are in HS.

But I do agree with those schools wh oactually adopt standards. At Muncie Central for 20 years they have emphasized the "Bearcat Way" that encompasses everything from looking adults inthe eye and shaking hands to how they conduct themselves in and out of the classroom and at home. Not sure which set of adults started that in order to teach inner city youth how to act back in the 80's but it has benefitted many kids in succeeding in the real world.

Last Edited: 1/1/2012 10:31:46 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 11:16:55 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

That said, give me a good reason for cursing. You can't.

Because it increases pain tolerance?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090713085453...

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 11:39:26 PM

The whore of Akron is a good example of what borna's gram was referring to. I liked the book and agreed with his take on LeBron, etc. However, needless vulgarity throughout will hold back the book and his future ability to publish, in my outdated opinion.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/1/2012 11:39:57 PM

anorris wrote:

OUVan wrote:

#%&;$ it!!!

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!

Bah ha ha!

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/2/2012 12:43:44 AM

Would people who are important to you (family, friends, prospective employers, etc) be impressed by cursing?

Would they be impressed by language free of cursing?

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/2/2012 9:56:22 AM

Not going to get into a "can you top this" exchange with Borna because as old as we are and as many stories as we both have, we might shut down this board, but his music story reminds me of the day in the late 60"s when my mother came bounding up the stairs to our bedroom demanding that I take the Steppenwolf album that I was playing off of the record player and give it to her immediately. John Kay's profanity on the long version of The Pusher (Early Steppenwolf - 21:27) was more than she could take and something that I was not going to be playing in her house or anywhere else for that matter.

The lessons that day were loud and clear and because those parental lessons are so ingrained in many folks, perhaps you can understand why many folks in the Convo cringe when the students yell "you suck." Yes, it's far from the f bomb but it still is offensive to many.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/2/2012 10:22:25 AM

The word "suck" has progressed over the years. For some reason, the media treats this word as harmless and not a curse word. I saw a full-page newspaper ad with a huge font saying only: DOESN'T SUCK! The ad was a national campaign for a cell phone company, and every ad was some play on the word suck.

I hear little kids (like 6 or 7 years old) saying "suck" all the time, right in front of their parents. I didn't think I was THAT old, but when I was growing up, you didn't say suck in front of any adult, and certainly not in school.

Think about where the word comes from? Not exactly harmless for a kid to use, in my opinion.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/2/2012 10:28:07 AM

FWIW: I have had more than one parent thank me this year for letting their child know that "suck" is not an appropriate word to use in our classroom and explaining to them why it is not. The discussions I've had with these parents always involves recognizing how much "suck" has become a regularly-used word in today's society but how they don't want their child to be one of those young children with this word as part of their vocabulary.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/2/2012 12:35:48 PM

Regarding the usage of the word, and although Bellaire wasn't exactly considered country, one of the perjoratives the out in the hills kids used to spout was "that'll stop you from sucking eggs". And since I qualify for the over 45 cohort referenced in another thread, the phrase is not new.
So, where does this fit into the overall discussion? Maybe the chant simply leaves out the noun "eggs" since the concept has been established decades ago.

Just sayin' ........ and I bet that Borna with his familiarity with old Hoosier homilies has heard it more than once in his youth, too.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/3/2012 12:50:28 AM

oldkatz wrote:

Just sayin' ........ and I bet that Borna with his familiarity with old Hoosier homilies has heard it more than once in his youth, too.

Yeah actually my grammie even used that one...."ohhhh go suck eggs" along with the admonishment that "your brains must be located in the festerus" or "Are you sitting on your mind"

THere are a good many ways to say things without having the 7 year olds in front of you tinking it is ok to chant the "Bull-Shiest" chant over and over. It s ok. Just not what I want my kid repeating on the play ground or in class.

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RE: Cursing

Posted: 1/3/2012 10:26:46 AM

I was flipping around the tube a few weeks ago and some actress on a sitcom proclaimed to someone to "suck it". I don't think a guy could get away with dialog like that in prime time, but apparently a woman can. I was a little surprised by that, but I guess it's going the other way.

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