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Topic:  What I'm Hoping We Fixed
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JSF
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  Message Not Read  What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/11/2012 2:03:25 PM 
Offensively: It's not passing, shot selection, making jumpers, Walt finishing, or anything else. The last two games (at least), we have played like a team that does not trust each other. All of us, each of us. If each man leans on his teammates and holds his teammates up, everything else will take care of itself. Restore the trust and the machine starts humming again.

Defensively: Focus, mostly. We're tops in the nation in forcing turnovers (27% of opponents possessions) and we were also backing that up with hands in faces, clogging the lane, and not giving up easy buckets. We were highly ranked in opponent 3FG%, too. That's gone away the last four games. We've become too reliant on turnovers and not committing to defense in all facets. It's a seductive trap, but it can also be fixed. Our poorer defensive positioning was also a factor in rebounding trouble, but so was the lack of focus.

These are very fixable things. We'll see if they've figured it out or if they continue to struggle.


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Jeff McKinney
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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/11/2012 4:08:26 PM 
I think you make some really good points, but IMO it's hard to deny that simply missing open perimeter shots has been a major part of the recent struggles. 

I believe we will make strides toward reclaiming the mojo tonight vs. Buffalo.
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JSF
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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/11/2012 4:33:30 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I think you make some really good points, but IMO it's hard to deny that simply missing open perimeter shots has been a major part of the recent struggles.


Sure, but that's not really a "fix" in the sense I mean. Either you make the shot or you don't. If you want to get better at shooting, you do that in the offseason. I was talking about things you can do in a half week.


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JSF
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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/11/2012 9:41:56 PM 
Check and check.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/12/2012 2:24:40 PM 
JSF wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I think you make some really good points, but IMO it's hard to deny that simply missing open perimeter shots has been a major part of the recent struggles.


Sure, but that's not really a "fix" in the sense I mean. Either you make the shot or you don't. If you want to get better at shooting, you do that in the offseason. I was talking about things you can do in a half week.


Not necessarily.  Teams work on shooting in-season too.  I'll agree that to make a major leap in shooting, it happens during the off-season. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/12/2012 4:04:41 PM 
Wow...this will cause an arguement but I would say, in general, you either ARE or ARE NOT a perimeter shooter.  While you can get a bit better I do not believe you can "make a 40-45% three point shooter.  I am sure our opponents love it when we have a lot of threes coming from the 4-5 of the guys who have shown NOT to be good perimeter players.  I do think we struggle when teams play zone.  We just need to see more of DJ and ST slashing to the basket and dishing or finishing. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/12/2012 4:08:06 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Wow...this will cause an arguement but I would say, in general, you either ARE or ARE NOT a perimeter shooter.  While you can get a lot better I do not believe most kids are putting in the proper effort  to make a 40-45% three point shooter.  I am sure our opponents love it when we have a lot of threes coming from the 4-5 of the guys who have shown NOT to be good perimeter players.  I do think we struggle when teams play zone.  We just need to see more of DJ and ST slashing to the basket and dishing or finishing. 


Fixed that for ya.

Last Edited: 1/12/2012 4:09:27 PM by bornacatfan


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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/12/2012 4:22:49 PM 
borna...you put it much better than I did!
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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/12/2012 5:46:32 PM 
You certainly can get better, as shooters are made, not born. I think that happens in the off season, though, unless you're not doing your homework.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/12/2012 11:12:52 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
JSF wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I think you make some really good points, but IMO it's hard to deny that simply missing open perimeter shots has been a major part of the recent struggles.


Sure, but that's not really a "fix" in the sense I mean. Either you make the shot or you don't. If you want to get better at shooting, you do that in the offseason. I was talking about things you can do in a half week.


Not necessarily.  Teams work on shooting in-season too.  I'll agree that to make a major leap in shooting, it happens during the off-season. 


Jeff, honestly, how much can you improve your shooting in two days while you're prepping for your next opponent?


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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/12/2012 11:44:29 PM 
We've seen glimses of all the parts needed to be a good team so far this season.  Now the million dollar coaching challenge is getting all the stars to align in March, which has got to be quite a task. 

We've seen:
*Reggie's played big around the basket on a few occassions and shown us glimpses of the year before last.  He can be an effective big.
*Walter has shown he can hit the 3, shoot foul shots well and drive to the basket.  But he's done much of any of these consistently as of late.
*Baltic has shown been Ivo of last year in many cases, but not all cases.
*Jon Smith showed us something during the last game.
*DJ--hope for the good DJ
*Kellog--we know he can stroke the 3 when he's going right.
*TJ-we've seen he can hit jumpers and even shown us a few times he can compete in the paint.
*Ricardo/Goard--we've seen they're athletic but you wouldn't want them to have an open 5 foot bunny in a tied game with 2 seconds to play with nobody guarding them.
Stevie--we've seen he can run the point, drive and get hot from outside.  He can be electric!  We've also seen him be mini-DJ in shot selection and taking care of the ball too.


Point is, we've seen glimpses of the good/bad from every player on the squad, which is very normal during the course of a long season.  If we can get everyone going at the same time, we're special.  And as with most teams, if we don't, we won't be very special.  Fun to be in this position of having all the parts necessary to be successful and spending the next couple months watching it all play out. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/12/2012 11:46:55 PM 
If you have a shooter who has been a good shooter in the past and has had a rough patch it may be just a hundred shots going back to basics and cleaning up the shot. During the season shots still need tweaked and broken down. Nice part is that in season you got game film to look at and figure out the errors. Short answer. In 2 days you can change a lot if a kid has an hour or so and did the work previously but just needs tweaked and broken down. Even more can be accomplished with a little work on the head.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/13/2012 10:56:02 AM 
Serious question: I can't tell what type of player Groce feels TJ Hall is or wants him to be.  He hits a few 3s once in a blue moon, but I think he's better when attacking the basket.  Yet he seems to rely on the 3 and I can only assume the staff feels that's his strength.  He must be a lot more accurate in practice...




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  Message Not Read  RE: What I'm Hoping We Fixed
   Posted: 1/13/2012 11:03:43 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
If you have a shooter who has been a good shooter in the past and has had a rough patch it may be just a hundred shots going back to basics and cleaning up the shot. During the season shots still need tweaked and broken down. Nice part is that in season you got game film to look at and figure out the errors. Short answer. In 2 days you can change a lot if a kid has an hour or so and did the work previously but just needs tweaked and broken down. Even more can be accomplished with a little work on the head.


Agree 100%. Same principal holds true for baseball fundamentals inbterms of hitting, throwing and catching. The key is getting technically correct repetitions to encourage muscle memory. It also helps relax a player who is pressing a bit.
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