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71 BOBCAT
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Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 6:32:42 PM

Does anyone feel like me that Cooper should no longer have the green light?
Really, 2-15 today.
Does anyone else besides me think he has regressed from last year?
The team is not as good as it was in December.
We are the worst 13-4 team in the country.
We have problems to solve and we don't seem to be solving them and it starts with Cooper.
I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on Cooper and this team at this point in the season.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 6:44:39 PM

absolutely has regressed from last year. he has lost his shot and doesn't seem willing to take anyone off the dribble. we had better recruit some jump shooters. The inability to hit the outside shots is a glaring weakness on this team.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 6:56:50 PM

Groce needed to take the green light away last year.
2-15 against Akron
5-15 against Buffalo
5-17 against Bowling Green
3-17 against Robert Morris(2-12 for 3)

He takes way too many shots in very bad spots. He kills any offense we have going by taking these stupid shots. Being a point guard he should be facilitating the offense with drives to the hoop and creating open shots for teammates. He does not do enough of this and he costs us big time with his poor shot selection.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 7:04:42 PM

can we just sticky this thread to the top so every time we lose a game we can come and complain about Cooper as if he's the one that single handedly lost it for us.

you can't just look at the stat sheet without putting it into context of the game. Sure he takes some bad shots, as does everyone, but how many times today did he pass it as time is winding down only to have it dumped back to him instead of the other player making a play and creating a shot? I saw him drive and kick it out to a wide open Keely near the key but instead of shooting or driving to the lane Reg took two tentative steps and dished it back over to Cooper who was blanketed with 2 seconds left on the clock. He had no choice but to chuck up a bad 3. Like in the Robert Morris game, down by 3 with 5 seconds left, Groce draws up a play where Kellogg gets the shot at the top of the key for the 3, but instead Nick gets it and dumps it over to Coop n the corner instead. ball game. Is that DJ's fault?

you can't just pretend that our offense was running on all cylinders and then DJ just suddenly started chucking up 3s for no reason. It didn't go like that.

Last Edited: 1/14/2012 7:06:54 PM by perimeterpost

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 7:19:10 PM

Bad shots, bad passes, bad decisions. That's what I saw.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 9:46:39 PM

our starting big fouled out with 0 points after only 6 minutes on the floor, his backup fouled out in 14 minutes with just 6 points, our other big missed 10 shots, our best perimeter shooter didn't even take a shot until the buzzer at half time, none of our bigs had more than 3 rebounds, overall we were -10 on the boards, and we put the Zips to the foul line 44 times.

in spite of all of that we only lost by 5, so yeah if Cooper had played better we would have won but that doesn't mean we wouldn't still have some major problems to address.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 10:15:31 PM

good post. thanks for helping me regain perspective. +1

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 10:49:20 PM

What I saw today is that we didn't have a response to their height. Outrebounded 36-26, three blocked shots by Marshall and a lot of intimidation underneath.

Also, 44 FTs by Akron and 30 OU fouls is obscene. The refs called a lot of chintzy stuff on both sides. Even the ESPN guys noticed it.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 11:08:22 PM

I'm not going to take the time to check to see how accurate my observation was today....but from just watching from the standsI kept hoping we'd extend the lead to beyond 5. Get it to 7-8 points to avoid what I felt all afternoon was in the inevitable if it stayed a 3 point game down the stretch. Seemed like all too often when we'd have this chance to extend the lead on a possession we had a terrible offensive possession---and it seemed like many of those poor choices were by DJ. I guess you got to credit DJ for sensing these key moments when we could extend the lead and wanting to make the big play and JG for sticking by DJ during crunch time, but I was ready to let Stevie & Nick have control of the joy stick today.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/14/2012 11:26:51 PM

Chicken George wrote:

I had the same feeling about the lead. I think the biggest OU lead was 5. I wouldn't have turned the helm over to Stevie, tho. Thought it was foolish for him to drive on Marshall; Marshall swatted it down without leaving his feet.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 12:00:08 AM

One player does NOT lose a game for a team and anyone on here that thinks that, is an idiot. DJ didn't cost us this game or any other game we have lost. He's just an easy escape goat for all you cry babies. Everyone on this team is struggling with their shooting at the moment. I'll tell you this, I'd rather have DJ Cooper running our team than anyother Point Guard in the MAC. He is the Best Point Guard in the MAC and we should be supporting him instead of downgrading him. Bring It !

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 12:06:49 AM

BobcatGman wrote:

He's just an easy escape goat for all you cry babies.

Thank you Dennis. I think you just named my new band, Escape Goat.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 12:09:58 AM

Is Cooper playing outside the scheme, or is the scheme messed up?

I'm leaning toward the latter.

But the answer might be neither.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 12:54:10 AM

He's a scape goat because he chooses to shoot long range threes when we are down by two, and rightfully so.. A two point game does not mean we need to shoot for three to change the momentum. Every time (at least this season and several times last year) we have the lead and then lose that lead, Cooper thinks he needs to drill a three to change the momentum. Nearly every time he misses the shot and causes us to foul . We are always in catchup mode at that point.

Rooting for Akron is like cheering on the Taliban.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 1:41:06 AM

look, i went to the BG game. I havent been following the game a ton the last few years, but I surely felt cooper was taking many many bad shots and will continue to cost us games in future if he continued play like this.

Kellogg is too shy
baltic is ok
and who else to we have. When cooper aint shooting decent we are not going to win

peace (gary trent fan)

when gary didnt show up we didnt wiin either fyi

step up cooper play to win

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 3:16:00 AM

Seems to me that the truth is somewhere in the middle. perimeterpost is absolutely correct: there were times (especially near the end of the game and/or late in the clock) when our guys gave the ball back to Cooper so Cooper had no choice but to shoot it.....But at other times, especially late in the game, Cooper just came down and put up a shot. It seemed that he thought the shot he got was likely to be our best option on that trip down the court, so he shot it.

So, what's the solution? First, it will not happen in one game. Probably will take the next 15-18 games to achieve. The solution is some combo of these: we need guys to develop mid-range jump shots...we need to become less dependent on the three ball. we're throwing up a lot of rushed, not on-balance three pointers...Cooper needs to learn to drive to his right...we need to screen better near the basket...we need a player or two to develop strong drives to the hoop like Offut.

For now, we need to recognize who we are and play to it: Our strength is defense and speed. We need to develop offensively--will take a lot of time commitment for players to develop individual skills and team skills (screens, reversals, moving without the ball). And, we need to find a way to stop getting pounded on the boards at key points.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 8:46:30 AM

PutnamField wrote:

BobcatGman wrote:

He's just an easy escape goat for all you cry babies.

Thank you Dennis. I think you just named my new band, Escape Goat.

    PutnamField, Just remember me, when you make it big .

              One way to fix the problem you guys are crying about, is the other players need to shoot more, Every player on the floor for Ohio has the Green Light to shoot when open or drive to the basket. There are alot of times and I mean alot of times the other players are wide open and pass the ball. I sit at the games and wonder why in the world some of the players didn't shoot the ball, drives me crazy sometimes.

           Here's a little stat for ya :

       When Walter Offutt shoots 10 times or more a game, Ohio is 5 and 1. But for some reason he passes up alot of open shots. Walter took 8 shots at Akron and we lost. I guess its DJ.s fault, Walt and other players pass up open looks.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 8:59:55 AM

     I doubt there's a bigger fan of DJ on here. But, c'mon gman. A lot (not all) of his shot selections this year are hurting this team.
    Do you want your point guard, who will set all sorts of assist records at Ohio, leading the team in shots (60 more attempts than Ivo)? When he is making a little more than one-third of those shots? Do you want your point guard attempting the most 3-pointers on the team when he is making one-fourth of those shots?
     Obviously, DJ is not entirely to blame for taking poor shots with the shot clock winding down. I think everyone on here has a high enough BBIQ to realize that. But those attempts account for only a small % of DJ's shots.

Note: I hope the above post does not qualify me as a crybaby.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 9:28:48 AM

C'mon bobcatsquared, other players need to start shooting or driving when their open, problem solved.

I can say this, If we would of won the game at Akron and DJ was 3 for 1000 this thread would be mute. I didn't see any Threads started about DJ when Ohio was 11 and 1 . he shot the same amount of times in those games and hit the same amount of shots, just sayin.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 9:31:46 AM

one thing I noticed about pre Xmas success vs our post Xmas struggles is that when we were winning we were establishing our outside shot early through guys other than Cooper. This opened up the D under the basket for our bigs and also made DJ's heaves from downtown not matter as much because even when he missed it helped kept the defense honest.

Last night Kellogg didn't attempt a 3 until halftime and Offutt didn't attempt a single 3 all night long. How can we establish an outside game when our best outside shooters aren't shooting the ball?

One other stat to look at- fouls. Our 3 bigs (Smith, Keeley and Baltic) were a combined 0-1 from the foul line. How is that possible? To Cooper's credit he was 8-9 from the foul line. At least when he was missing shots he was getting fouled and getting to the line.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 10:15:17 AM

perimeterpost wrote:

And he was getting fouled when driving to the basket. The first thing I admired about DJ, back in Nov./Dec. of 2009, was how he seemed to be at his best when he initiated contact on drives to the basket. He would draw contact from the opposing big man, pull the ball back away from the defender, then bank it in off the glass. Not only would he draw the foul, but many times he would get an old-fashioned 3-point play. Much like he did last night against Zeke in the second half. Would love to see more of this.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 11:48:18 AM

The constant sniping at this kid is pathetic. Borna hit the nail on the head, the others we have on the floor, especially the shooters, need to work themselves into lanes to accept the pass and THEN shoot it.

How about the numerous times yesterday that DJ, the SMALLEST kid on the floor, took on the Giant in the paint and beat him. DJ's foul shots taken and made yesterday weren't the result of his jacking up a 3. It was from driving the rim and challenging and quite honestly IMO there were numerous occasions he got mugged and got No calls!

How many times does DJ make the pass to one of the bigs underneath and they either weren't ready or fail to catch the pass or immediately catch it and attempt to throw it right back to DJ.

There were lots of factors that led to the loss against the Zips. Remember we went into that game as 3.5pt underdogs, not 35 pt favorites as the delusional think we should be. The Zips aren't exactly chump change, although there are chumps, and we knew it would be a battle.

The officiating left much to be desired and left us totally and completely exposed underneath. Even the Akron fans I was around were screaming for the refs to swallow their whistles and let the kids play the game. Akron outscored us at the line by 15 and had more than double the foul attempts.That alone is almost impossible to overcome on the road and normally would translate into a double-digit loss.

If I had to place blame for the loss I would look more to Gross. Yea the officiating stunk, however his going from working the refs to turning into a stark raving maniac at crucial times is not helpful. I think he gets WAY to caught up with what the refs are doing and loses focus on what his team needs to be doing and loses it's focus as well. Also couldn't understand why Gross didn't go more zone as the fouls piled up against his bigs and Akron just feed Marshall underneath leaving us essentially defenseless.

Don't lose sight of the fact that there are times that a combination of Smith, Hall, Johnson or Guoard are on the floor and none of them are looking scoring first. Puts a ton on pressure on the DJ's of the world to take up the scoring slack. Sorry I'm just not buying that DJ cost us the game, I'm actually of the opinion he did yeoman's work to give us a chance to win it against some long odds.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 12:01:26 PM

BobcatGman wrote:

That's not entirely true.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/46028/dj-cooper

We are 9-0 when DJ takes 13 or fewer shots.

We are 4-4 when DJ takes more than 13 shots.

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 12:12:58 PM

txbobcat wrote:

I never remember Gary Trent not showing up....ever.

Seriously...the guy never shot 2-15 from the field. Granted his shots were mainly withing 10 feet, but still. The guy always showed up.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Cooper

Posted: 1/15/2012 12:46:15 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

Is this comical to anyone else? The worst 13-4 team in the country? Who gives a crap! We are 13-4! This post is a JOKE. I will take the worst 13-4 team in the country because I doubt I can count the numbe rof people on this board on one hand that thought we would be 13-4 at this point. Beats the hell out of the best 11-6 team in the country.

Unbelievable!

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