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Topic: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Topic: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

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bornacatfan
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Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/17/2012 10:01:50 AM

Looking at the lamentations of the missing......How would you handle a team and what are you willing to accept as a fanbase?

I have the opportunity to sit with many parents and kids and enjoy the mentoring process. I attended a game last night with the parent of an NBA pro and the starting PG of one of my favorite NCAA teams from KY. He discussed the details of a kid I did reconstructive work on as a 6'11 HS soph. After all the guidance we and several others did on the way to the young man securing a Big East ride where he would be a frosh he now sits in a Texas prison.

The NCAA is full of kids doing stupid things. Young men from all sorts of backgrounds presented with the 4 P's I warn each young player to avoid....Party, prom, pot and Pussy. The worst pitfalls and the ones that will bring a career to a screeching halt. All detract from the game and the ability for the athlete to achieve his goals.

So...sit in the chair of the head coach and decide what you will tolerate in a recruit. There seems to be a number of guys who are willing to give a kid a pass if he is a great asset to the team.

WOuld you tolerate your leading scorer selling pot to wide eyed frosh first time away from home?

WHere do you draw the line and what is the disciplinary action for "harmless play" and actual hurt ?
Several accounts http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/archive/index.php/t-189433.html , Obviously the first incedent left a lasting impression

So ..... as a fan, what do you tolerate and how do you handle the more and less egregious incedents and how do you maintain an air of control while showing parents of new recruits around your program?

Belly up and convince us why your approach is better than keeping those guys who "would have contributed mightily here" or getting rid of them or anywhere in between

Last Edited: 1/17/2012 10:07:27 AM by bornacatfan

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/17/2012 4:00:42 PM

Kids are kids and they are going to screw up. You have to expect it. Most deserve at least one second chance. However, the payback should be painful enough to deter the recalcitrant. I would put up with most of the examples of misdeeds you cited once but the punishment would be worse than missing a start or even a game. Maybe a season should be the price for a major screw-up or loss of schollie for a quarter There is nothing that irks me more than seeing a kid on a full schollie blowing his shot while a thousand others who want his shot watch on hopelessly. That's the perspective I wish most programs had. In the end everyone is going to move on and be replaced. Why soil a reputation for one or two kids who don't get it? If they can't behave move 'me out.

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/17/2012 7:26:36 PM

If he's selling pot, he's probably smoking it too which means he's committed a double no-no. That should be an automatic suspension and loss of scholarship for a while. And if the amount he sold was enough for a felony, adios. The other scenarios would likely warrant a second chance. Accidents happen with horseplay or shooting a bb gun or whatever.

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/17/2012 9:02:57 PM

Well, my favorite saying in my young adult life is "To each his own."

Its almost unfair how much of a higher moral standard we put student athletes compared to other students in the same school. Whenever you think of a 20-something in college, it's pretty typical to think of them as someone who goes out to parties and does other "extra curricular" activities (use your imagination), and no one would give a second thought about them. However, student athletes represent your university on a much larger scale than most of us will ever experience, so I feel like that these athletes (or really anyone on a full-ride scholarship) SHOULD be held to this higher standard.

But at the same time, I think that some of the things that athletes get in trouble with can get incredibly ridiculous.

Athletes going to a party? Who cares? So long as they're A) Not drinking or B) if they are, they are of legal drinking age, they shouldn't get in trouble for these types of things.

Athletes having sex? So what? it's a personal choice to have sex. I don't understand why people make a big deal about this. Unless it directly contradicts the belief of the University (like Brandon Davies of BYU), let them have their fun.

Athletes using recreational marijuana use? This is a bit more of a touchy subject. I personally don't do the stuff but if people want to do it that's fine with me. But because using marijuana in Ohio is illegal period, I would have to say that our athletes should stay away from it.

I really enjoy these types of threads, so agree, disagree, challenge me. I'll give my response.

Last Edited: 1/17/2012 9:03:35 PM by KyleWvr13

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/18/2012 12:30:04 AM

Pot is illegal. Period. End of subject. I know just about all of the medicinal, practical, and recreational reasons for using it but the fact is that it's against the law. If it's legalized one day, well that's another discussion.

Drinking alcohol, as long as you are of age and have a responsible DD, I'm fine with it. As for underage, I started well before I turned 21, but it was always behind closed doors where I was sure it wouldn't cause problems. They need to be smart with this, but since they're living on campus, it's probably better to stay away from it. Good luck doing it at the #1 party school in America.

Sex- I agree with Kyle. Unless it is in your schools rulebook, that's your decision. But I'd like to add something to it; don't be involved with underage girls where legal problems could arise. (Insert 17-18 relationship debate here)

Last Edited: 1/18/2012 12:31:13 AM by LoganElm_grad09

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/18/2012 11:44:08 AM

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

Pot is illegal. Period. End of subject.

I assume you never jaywalk, then.

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/18/2012 12:56:11 PM

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

So you are okay with one illegal activity because you did it but have no tolerance for the other illegal activity even though they are essentially the same type of transgression?

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Posted: 1/18/2012 1:16:14 PM

OUVan wrote:

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

So you are okay with one illegal activity because you did it but have no tolerance for the other illegal activity even though they are essentially the same type of transgression?

The interesting thing is that the penalties in Ohio for underage drinking in Ohio or actually stiffer than the penalties for smoking a joint starting with a $250 fine vs. a $100 fine.

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/18/2012 1:30:04 PM

OUVan wrote:

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

So you are okay with one illegal activity because you did it but have no tolerance for the other illegal activity even though they are essentially the same type of transgression?

I don't quite put them on the same level. Flawed logic, I know. But I always saw doing drugs as a higher transgression than drinking was. Maybe that's because of how I was exposed to such things (drugs being the scourge of Earth and drinking not).

But I see what you guys are saying.

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Posted: 1/18/2012 1:30:52 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

OUVan wrote:

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

So you are okay with one illegal activity because you did it but have no tolerance for the other illegal activity even though they are essentially the same type of transgression?

The interesting thing is that the penalties in Ohio for underage drinking in Ohio or actually stiffer than the penalties for smoking a joint starting with a $250 fine vs. a $100 fine.

Would never have thought that.

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/18/2012 1:31:50 PM

JSF wrote:

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

Pot is illegal. Period. End of subject.

I assume you never jaywalk, then.

Touche. (Even if doing drugs in by and large different thing than jaywalking)

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/18/2012 1:34:10 PM

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

Sex- I agree with Kyle. Unless it is in your schools rulebook, that's your decision. But I'd like to add something to it; don't be involved with underage girls where legal problems could arise. (Insert 17-18 relationship debate here)

There is no debate to be had. The age of consent in Ohio is 16. A 21 year old could have a sexual relationship with a 16 year old and as long as they are not in a position of authority (teacher, coach, clergy, etc.) they are not committing a crime.

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/18/2012 1:37:37 PM

DelBobcat wrote:

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

Got it. That one seems to vary depending on who says it.

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RE: Philosophically speaking as a fan. Here is your big chance.

Posted: 1/18/2012 1:54:33 PM

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.04

You're right. This seems to be one of those things that is debated endlessly and everybody thinks something different. Luckily, in the age of the internet we have easy access to the Ohio Revised Code.

Sort of related: Prior to Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 it was illegal to engage in oral sex, anal sex, or premarital sex in much of the south.

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