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The Optimist
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  Message Not Read  Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/22/2012 11:06:04 AM 
Can anyone enlighten me?  I looked all over the place and couldn't find what the tiebreakers were if two teams finished with the same record.  I'd assume the first is head-to-head record... After that?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/22/2012 11:08:03 AM 
Record against the top team, second team, etc.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/22/2012 11:42:44 AM 
JSF wrote:
Record against the top team, second team, etc.


Last year, the second tiebreaker was division record and then record against the top team. Did it change?

This used to be posted on the MAC site: http://www.hustlebelt.com/2011/3/2/2026587/mac-basketball-tournament-seeding-scenarios-who-the-flip-knows

But it's not there any more.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/22/2012 12:47:00 PM 
Stealing this from Mollaut at MiamiHawkTalk. As it stands, no MAC East team would even play a road game.

MAC Tourney If Today (02/21/12): 

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012 
GM 1: 12. NIU (2-10) @ 5. BGSU (7-5) - TBA 
GM 2: 9. Toledo (4-8 )* @ 8. Miami (5-8 ) - TBA 
GM 3: 10. BSU (4-8 )* @ 7. WMU (5-7) - TBA 
GM 4: 11. CMU (3-9) @ 6. EMU (6-6) - TBA 

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012 
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - TBA (STO) 
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - TBA (STO) 

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012 
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Ohio U. (8-4) - TBA (STO) 
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Kent (9-4) - TBA (STO) 

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012 
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (11-1) - TBA (STO) 
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Buffalo (9-3) - TBA (STO) 

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012 
GM 5: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8pm (ESPN2) 

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999). 

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS: 

* BSU and Toledo split head-2-head. Toledo beats BSU as having the best winning % versus the highest ranked team -> #4 Ohio U. 

MAC Tiebreaker Information: 

Not up yet as of 01/30/12. Here is the old 2011 link (no longer works as of 01/30/12), but not sure tiebreakers will be the same. 

Tourney Front Page: 

http://www.mac-sports.com/Championships/BasketballM.aspx 

Tourney Bracket: 

2012 Bracket

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 11:32:59 AM 

So let's just say Akron drops the ball and we somehow end up tied with them...  Then it would go to our records against the 3rd place team and so on?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:02:55 PM 
The Optimist wrote:

So let's just say Akron drops the ball and we somehow end up tied with them...  Then it would go to our records against the 3rd place team and so on?



No,it would go to record in the division first so we would win that tiebreaker because Akron swept the West and we lost two.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:06:18 PM 
Tiebreakers from the MAC page.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:08:27 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
Tiebreakers from the MAC page.


I stand corrected. They have divisional record as the 2nd tiebreaker but it says for the purposes of deciding the division champ only. Since the division champ is no longer relevant then this tiebreaker is moot if I'm understanding it correctly.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:14:59 PM 
OUVan wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Tiebreakers from the MAC page.


I stand corrected. They have divisional record as the 2nd tiebreaker but it says for the purposes of deciding the division champ only. Since the division champ is no longer relevant then this tiebreaker is moot if I'm understanding it correctly.


I'm glad this finally is on the website, but that part still is a bit vague. Shouldn't really affect Ohio's seed anyway.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:21:08 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
Stealing this from Mollaut at MiamiHawkTalk. As it stands, no MAC East team would even play a road game.



That was through 2/21.  After last night, Fiami would be at Toledo.  They're both 5-8 and Fiami lost to the Rockets (at home) in their only meeting this year.

Where they play might not matter to Fiami.  They have no home court advantage; they're only 6-6 in Oxford this year.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:28:32 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Stealing this from Mollaut at MiamiHawkTalk. As it stands, no MAC East team would even play a road game.



That was through 2/21.  After last night, Fiami would be at Toledo.  They're both 5-8 and Fiami lost to the Rockets (at home) in their only meeting this year.

Where they play might not matter to Fiami.  They have no home court advantage; they're only 6-6 in Oxford this year.


AND after last night (at this point) we would be the # 2 seed (I believe)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:28:45 PM 
Just because there's no reward to being divisional champions doesn't mean they don't exist.  It is a weird tiebreaker, but perhaps that's to ensure the teams are from the same division.  Regardless, there is one very roundabout way we can win the #1: Win out, Akron lose out, Buffalo win out.  That would make a 3-way tie, where we'd hold a 3-1 record, Buffalo 2-2, Akron 1-3.  Seems unlikely, but theoretically possible.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:31:46 PM 
OUbobcat9092 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Stealing this from Mollaut at MiamiHawkTalk. As it stands, no MAC East team would even play a road game.



That was through 2/21.  After last night, Fiami would be at Toledo.  They're both 5-8 and Fiami lost to the Rockets (at home) in their only meeting this year.

Where they play might not matter to Fiami.  They have no home court advantage; they're only 6-6 in Oxford this year.


AND after last night (at this point) we would be the # 2 seed (I believe)
Correct.  Against the three teams tied, we're 3-0, Kent is 1-2, Buffalo is 1-2.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 12:43:56 PM 
anorris wrote:
Just because there's no reward to being divisional champions doesn't mean they don't exist.  It is a weird tiebreaker, but perhaps that's to ensure the teams are from the same division.  Regardless, there is one very roundabout way we can win the #1: Win out, Akron lose out, Buffalo win out.  That would make a 3-way tie, where we'd hold a 3-1 record, Buffalo 2-2, Akron 1-3.  Seems unlikely, but theoretically possible.


I don't think there is any scenario where we wouldn't get the #1 seed if we end up in a tie with Akron.  For us to do that we would have to have swept Kent and Buffalo and split with Akron. Not that it matters. Akron is not losing three games in a row to finish the season.  Heck we are going to be extreme longshots to pull off our end of the bargain.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 1:05:00 PM 
OUVan wrote:
Not that it matters. Akron is not losing three games in a row to finish the season.  Heck we are going to be extreme longshots to pull off our end of the bargain.



I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Tourny Tiebreakers?
   Posted: 2/23/2012 2:24:12 PM 
anorris wrote:
OUbobcat9092 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Stealing this from Mollaut at MiamiHawkTalk. As it stands, no MAC East team would even play a road game.



That was through 2/21.  After last night, Fiami would be at Toledo.  They're both 5-8 and Fiami lost to the Rockets (at home) in their only meeting this year.

Where they play might not matter to Fiami.  They have no home court advantage; they're only 6-6 in Oxford this year.


AND after last night (at this point) we would be the # 2 seed (I believe)
Correct.  Against the three teams tied, we're 3-0, Kent is 1-2, Buffalo is 1-2.


This really shows what an advantage Ohio has. Even with a loss to Kent State, the Bobcats would have a tiebreaker against the Golden Flashes and the Bulls if the teams ended in a three-way tie. Of course, Ohio would win a tiebreaker against Buffalo alone. Should the Bobcats tie the Golden Flashes only,, the Bobcats would have the tiebreaker if they win at Kent State. If not, the tiebreaker would depend on the results of the Akron games (if only one beats the Zips the second time around, that team would have the tiebreaker. If neither or both beat the Zips, then Ohio most likely would have the tiebreaker based on having beaten Buffalo both times.)
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