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Topic: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Topic: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

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Kevin Finnegan
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"Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 11:06:47 AM

Those words were mentioned more than once last night, as both Akron and Ohio have 2-0 records against their opponents this evening. That's a common axiom in sports as well. But I wanted to see how accurate it was, at least pertaining to the MAC tournament.

Going back to Ohio's thrilling tournament win over Buffalo in 2005, eleven times teams have met in Cleveland where one team has come in with a 2-0 record over the opponent. Overall, in those eleven meetings, the 2-0 team is 8-3 in those match-ups. That doesn't seem as though it's hard to beat a good team three times to me. Seems as though that's just something people have said so many times, everyone starts believing it.

Here were the match-ups:
2010:
2-0 Kent State lost to OHIO
2-0 Akron lost to OHIO

2009:
2-0 BGSU beat OHIO

2008:
2-0 Kent State beat Miami
2-0 Kent State beat Akron

2007:
2-0 Toledo beat EMU
2-0 Akron beat Kent State

2006:
2-0 Kent State beat Buffalo
2-0 Miami lost to OHIO
2-0 Kent State beat OHIO

2005:
2-0 OHIO beat Buffalo

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 11:23:48 AM

finnOhio wrote:

Here were the match-ups:
2010:
2-0 Kent State lost to OHIO
2-0 Akron lost to OHIO

2009:
2-0 BGSU beat OHIO

2008:
2-0 Kent State beat Miami
2-0 Kent State beat Akron

2007:
2-0 Toledo beat EMU
2-0 Akron beat Kent State

2006:
2-0 Kent State beat Buffalo
2-0 Miami lost to OHIO
2-0 Kent State beat OHIO

2005:
2-0 OHIO beat Buffalo

So let me recap to see if I have this right.

Number of times beating a team in Cleveland after having lost to them twice during the season:

Ohio: 3
Everyone else in the MAC: 0

DelBobcat
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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 11:43:43 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

finnOhio wrote:

So let me recap to see if I have this right.

Number of times beating a team in Cleveland after having lost to them twice during the season:

Ohio: 3
Everyone else in the MAC: 0

Wow. That's interesting. I guess it's true that it is hard to beat a good team three times. It just so happens we're the only good team in the MAC.

BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012

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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 12:14:51 PM

Highlight the 2005 matchup and the 2007 Akron-KSU matchup. They're the same pairings as tonight's.

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We will get by.
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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 12:50:36 PM

It is hard to beat good teams three times. But it's not harder the third time than it is the first two.

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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 1:13:22 PM

finnOhio wrote:

That doesn't seem as though it's hard to beat a good team three times to me. Seems as though that's just something people have said so many times, everyone starts believing it.

Gawd,

I wish had a dime for everytime this happens.

_he is one dimensional

-we just can't shoot

we cant play defense.

there are so many things here and on most boards that are propogated and become a "truth" because they grew legs and ran.

I think there is a pretty good chance we kill them again. I like what whomever has had the scout has done with Buffalo this year. I think our guard play has done the job and the bigs have taken away the blocked shots and rebounding advantage ....the real impressive thing is the taking away of the slips, backcuts and weak side penetration that Buffalo has done to us the past few years and so many others even this year. The other thing we have done is get the big over the top not to leave the hedge too early and get burned on a wide open 3. For the most part we have also avoided getting Ivo isolated on the guard because of a mis executed hedge and resulting in the switch up top where he has been taken to school the last couple of years.

Noticed last night the ever present inability of our guys to close out and actually challenge the shooting hand resulting in long 3's with only token resistance. Gotta limit that and we are golden,. 3 times would be sweet.

never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 1:17:08 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

finnOhio wrote:

That doesn't seem as though it's hard to beat a good team three times to me. Seems as though that's just something people have said so many times, everyone starts believing it.

I think there is a pretty good chance we kill them again.

I've never known Born to steer us in the wrong direction.

Believe in green.

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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 1:49:16 PM

We defend like we did last night, and shoot just a little better in the first half, we win.

OUVan
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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/9/2012 1:56:53 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

[QUOTE=finnOhio] the real impressive thing is the taking away of the slips, backcuts and weak side penetration that Buffalo has done to us the past few years and so many others even this year. The other thing we have done is get the big over the top not to leave the hedge too early and get burned on a wide open 3. For the most part we have also avoided getting Ivo isolated on the guard because of a mis executed hedge and resulting in the switch up top where he has been taken to school the last couple of years.

Noticed last night the ever present inability of our guys to close out and actually challenge the shooting hand resulting in long 3's with only token resistance. Gotta limit that and we are golden,. 3 times would be sweet.

The funny thing is that they were able to do that in about the first three possessions when we played at Buffalo this year and then we woke up and took it away. We've also made Filson a liability for them by being able to handle them down low and keeping a guy near him. If he isn't scoring, or at least a threat he's a minus for them.

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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/10/2012 12:53:32 AM

Make that 10-3.

Ryan M. Carey
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RSBobcat
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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/10/2012 1:04:03 AM

lot a good and relevant stuff on this thread!

RS Bobcat

FearLeon
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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/10/2012 1:07:57 AM

FearLeon wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

finnOhio wrote:

That doesn't seem as though it's hard to beat a good team three times to me. Seems as though that's just something people have said so many times, everyone starts believing it.

I think there is a pretty good chance we kill them again.

I've never known Born to steer us in the wrong direction.

Believe in green.

Thanks, Born! I felt much better about this game after reading your analysis.

Any good thoughts concerning Akron?

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: "Hard to beat a good team three times"

Posted: 3/10/2012 8:37:41 AM

OUVan wrote:

It is hard to beat good teams three times. But it's not harder the third time than it is the first two.

Ding-ding-ding ... buy this man a chicken dinner, darn it! To you, OUVan, goes the Confucius Award for March 2012 (so far, at least).

The only thing that is a fact is that nothing is a fact.
If this statement is true, it is also false.
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