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Topic: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

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Eagle66
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Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/6/2012 12:27:04 PM

Anyone care to venture a guess as to the attendance for Wednesday night games? I can't see NIU, WMU, and CMU bringing a lot of fans. Hope UT has a good showing.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/6/2012 12:31:21 PM

Potentially, this could be an all time low for a MAC tournament session at the Q.

I'm guessing maybe a total of 500 fans for the four schools combined.

Add to that about 700 other poor souls just there to watch.

Total of about 1,200 actual in the seats. Paid will be announced at about 2,500 if they count the allotment of 500 tix to each school as paid tickets.

And I'm being optimistic.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/6/2012 1:29:30 PM

I know of two people there. But we may leave early if it gets too boring. At least we will get a crack at the fresh hot dogs instead of the nasty ones on Saturday.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/6/2012 3:30:02 PM

I'll be there. Probably am going to buy tickets on ebay for $5. There's lots of sellers and not many buyers.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/6/2012 4:40:19 PM

People can also buy through the schools. They will be positively dying to dump tickets.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/7/2012 12:37:51 AM

Friend of mine works for BG. He said it's good in a way they lost Monday because they would have taken a decently-sized loss on tickets (the MAC makes every school buy so many tickets at $32 a pop).

BG-UT would've had a decent crowd, though.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/7/2012 9:22:20 AM

JSF wrote:

Friend of mine works for BG. He said it's good in a way they lost Monday because they would have taken a decently-sized loss on tickets (the MAC makes every school buy so many tickets at $32 a pop).

And this is why I kind of have a problem with the Quicken Loans Arena people using this site to advertise tickets. I understand they put together a special deal for people who want to attend all the sessions, but it seems to me that buying tickets from them hurts our school.

I'm only able to go to the Championship game (knocking on wood), but I've got my tickets ordered through OUr ticket office.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/7/2012 9:25:12 AM

athena wrote:

JSF wrote:

Friend of mine works for BG. He said it's good in a way they lost Monday because they would have taken a decently-sized loss on tickets (the MAC makes every school buy so many tickets at $32 a pop).

I agree with your line of thinking here. Thankfully, I don't think OUr school has problems selling tickets.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/7/2012 10:23:28 PM

athena wrote:

JSF wrote:

Friend of mine works for BG. He said it's good in a way they lost Monday because they would have taken a decently-sized loss on tickets (the MAC makes every school buy so many tickets at $32 a pop).

Capitalism. They gotta make some money too.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/7/2012 10:44:41 PM

athena wrote:

JSF wrote:

Friend of mine works for BG. He said it's good in a way they lost Monday because they would have taken a decently-sized loss on tickets (the MAC makes every school buy so many tickets at $32 a pop).

It may hurt the school, but the 25 in attendance for the games tonight hurts conference perception as a whole. It appears both the school and the Gund failed at making anyone care. until this tournament starts putting any asses in any seats in general, how can you fault the facility for marketing?

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/7/2012 11:08:25 PM

The color guy on KNR said he was impressed by the turnout.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/7/2012 11:42:46 PM

I don't fault the facility for promoting it. I don't fault people for taking advantage of it if that's what fits their budget. I do fault Bobcat fans that have the means for not purchasing from the school.

I also don't blame the league or schools for poor attendance in the early rounds. How many of you could or would drive up to watch a mediocre high-seed team play another mediocre high-seed team on a Wednesday night? For most of us, that means hotel nights, missed work, etc. All so you can catch the almost inevitable elimination of a sub-500 team that's probably disappointed you all year.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/8/2012 1:28:46 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Good guess. 2,523 says the box score of the second game.

Also, just out of curiousity, I checked out the women's attendance in the afternoon: 612. Everyone who buys a tournament package gets complimentary women's tickets, so however many of those were sold I'm guessing is included in that number.

Last Edited: 3/8/2012 1:30:53 AM by UpSan Bobcat

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/8/2012 1:48:18 AM

That's probably higher for the first round day session a few years back.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/8/2012 7:44:05 AM

JSF wrote:

That's probably higher for the first round day session a few years back.

3084 for the afternoon session in 2010.

3311 for the afternoon session in 2011

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/8/2012 10:06:22 AM

The actual attendance in 2010 was closer to 400.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/8/2012 10:11:31 AM

There should not be more than three rounds in Cleveland no matter how you slice it. The quarters at least have some people in the stands, the semis and finals are usually very well attended. It can't help the MAC to be showing an empty nba arena for 1/8 finals and it probably costs them a crapload of money to have the arena the extra day.

Regardless of what the format is, Cleveland should be reserved for the quarters and beyond.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/8/2012 12:44:49 PM

JSF wrote:

The actual attendance in 2010 was closer to 400.

But remember Dragon, actual doesn't matter.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/8/2012 2:10:12 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

I agree (though I think they had the women's quarters on Wednesday last year). The problem is a little logistical if you want to have the second round on campus sites, as teams need a travel day to get to the second round and to Cleveland. So you'd probably have to end the regular season midweek instead of on the weekend.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/9/2012 12:37:49 AM

May I bring up the elephant in the room? Why don't we bring the tournament back to Columbus? I have no doubt that if they held the tournament in the Arena District (Nationwide Arena) the attendance would not only double, but triple. I am sure the Blue Jackets and the city would roll out the red carpet. Some of us remember literally having to scalp tickets when OU played in the 1994 tournament (at the old Ohio Center.) Think about it, Columbus is home to many alumni from the various MAC schools. In addition, these are often young professionals not averse to dropping some cash who could slip out of work in the various downtown offices to see the games. In addition to the Ohio MAC schools, it would be a fairly short trip for Ball State fans, quite a bit shorter than driving to Cleveland. Buffalo, Eastern Michigan and Northern Illinois might complain but outside of Buffalo, they are hardly in a position to talk. Besides Northern Illinois owes us from the forgettable 1986 Tropical Rockford Tournament (so dubbed by Danny Nee) infamous in the lack of interest displayed by the locals and the Chicago media. Anyway, just my unbiased opinion. However, I truly believe Columbus could really draw a crowd.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/9/2012 12:58:49 AM

How embarrasing would it be to be on page 6 of the Columbus sports page as a marquee event IN TOWN while the Bucknuts and the Big Ten tourney dominates the headlines from CHicago or Indianapolis.

I agree with the idea of moving it to Columbus but at least the hotels, arena, restaurants are all walkable in Cleveland. Detroit, Toledo and yes Rockford were ugly....but Columbus press just really is a wildf card. At least the PD devotes it's sports page to the MAC. I am not familiar, hOw is the area around Nationwide with regard to hotels, restaurants and walkable attractions? Columbus is pretty centrally located aalthough Mix intmated tonite that Toledo might not have as many fans as Ohio because Athens is so much closer to Cleveland. I make that drive from Toledo on 80 pretty quickly Steverino.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/9/2012 1:07:19 AM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

There have traditionally been seven games in Cleveland (except for the couple of years when the entire tournament was held there). There are still seven games in Cleveland under the new format. I'm in favor of keeping it at seven games.

Under the new format, there really is not a true quarterfinal round any more. I think they should call it the third round.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/9/2012 1:10:20 AM

cbus cat fan wrote:

If it ain't broke, why fix it? The Cleveland tournament has been a HUGE success. It may not be perfect, but it has been the best thing the MAC does.

Attendance would double or triple? Semis and finals in Cleveland have averaged at least 9,000 and close to 10,000. You think these sessions would draw 18,000 or 27,000 in the Nationwide Arena?

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/9/2012 1:47:42 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

cbus cat fan wrote:

If OU playing - certainly more than 10,000, likely 12K plus. If two Ohio teams, at least 12,000.

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RE: Guess The Attendance: MAC Second Round

Posted: 3/9/2012 8:37:32 AM

Do people honestly think the venue is the problem, or do they just want the tournament in a more convenient location for themselves? Double or triple the attendance in Bucknut land? That's got to be a joke. Cleveland is basically an hour from two of the best programs in the MAC. Eliminating a bunch of Kent and Akron fans isn't a really good recipe for success. Any problems with attendance have a lot more to do with the teams playing and their respective fan bases than the location of the tournament. You really think the drive from DeKalb, Mount Pleasant, or Kalamazoo would be more appealing if it was in Columbus? Those teams were awful, and if you're honest with yourself, you know you wouldn't drive up from Athens to watch a sub-500 Bobcat team whether it was in Columbus or not. No matter where it is, weekday nights and short notice will always conspire to put a crimp on attendance. Cleveland has been a good host and it's far more neutral and central for the league. I wish attendance was better, but we're talking about league where the #1 and #2 attendance programs averaged around 6,000 and 4,000, and every other team was well below that. Changing where we're playing won't change the persistent apathy of the average MAC fan, nor will it change the poor perception of the league from the casual hoops fan.

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