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Topic:  What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?

Topic:  What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
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cc-cat
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  Message Not Read  What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/11/2012 10:06:16 PM 
What are their strengths we need to be aware of?



Last Edited: 3/11/2012 10:12:46 PM by cc-cat

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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/11/2012 11:10:11 PM 
Well...according to the all knowing gottlieb...they shoot the three well and overly rely on them..and since we defend the three well..doug has Ohio as an upset pick.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/11/2012 11:23:40 PM 
I hope Cooper continues this insane shooting streak he has.  If not, get a lot of assists.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 1:18:22 AM 
They are from Michigan.....that is what we can exploit.  They suck against teams from Ohio.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 9:41:14 AM 
cc cat wrote:
What are their strengths we need to be aware of?





They primarily play zone defense which has given us problems this year.   
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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 11:00:25 AM 
Michigan has run a very high 1-3-1 in the past...I have not seen them play too much this year, so I'm not sure if that's still in their def package.

It's not a trapping 1-3-1 where you trap the corners
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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 11:05:19 AM 
We need some good cheers for this game.

How about one to use when we get our 1st lead - "Who's OHIO???"

done in the style of the Yankees cheer to Pedro Martinez "Who's Your Daddy?" chant


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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 11:14:20 AM 
41 wrote:
Michigan has run a very high 1-3-1 in the past...I have not seen them play too much this year, so I'm not sure if that's still in their def package.

It's not a trapping 1-3-1 where you trap the corners


This is correct.  UM has gone away from the 1-3-1 that was their almost exclusive staple defense.  Lots of man this year.  They will use both but the 1-3-1 is not the key it once was. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 12:13:15 PM 
I've watched Michigan a lot (also a UM fan). 
 
Here's my amateur assessment:
 
Defense: 
 
Mostly man-to-man with situational zone. 
 
Beilein is known as a 1-3-1 coach but they have really moved away from it this season. 
 
I wouldn't say they're exclusively a man-to-man team now but 85-90% of the time (in 2012), they're out of the 1-3-1. 
 
There main reason for that (in my opinion): Michigan is a below average team rebounding the ball defensively. It's been their Achilles heel all season. They tend to lose to teams who can really pound the offensive glass (something Ohio is very good at #50 nationally - 11 ORB per game).  They're bad enough rebounding in man situations with a body on a body…when they spread out in the 1-3-1 they've gotten hammered this year on the glass. They might use zone to change up a look but I doubt they're going to be in it for extended stretches. 
 
They're a solid defensive squad (i.e. KYA - know your assignment) but the one thing they really lack is a shot blocker. I wouldn't say it's easy to get to the rim but teams certainly can challenge UM inside (because of the lack of an interior defensive presence). Michigan's bigs also have had foul issues this season. Michigan combats their lack of a shot blocking presence by being adept at taking changes. OU needs to stay under control when penetrating.
 
Offense:
 
Burke carries the load offensively. He tends to dominate the ball (ala Cooper) and initiate all of UM's offense. He's really the only Michigan player who can consistently create scoring opportunities off the dribble. Hardaway will try to as well but he has a pretty shaky handle, especially moving to his left. 
 
Michigan runs the motion sets Beilein is famous for (back door) but they also run a ton of pick and roll with Burke. 
 
Personnel:
 
Starters:
 
Burke: Just a great all around player. Smart, great handle and a +shooter. He's the key matchup. If Ohio can slow him down even a little, they have a chance. 
 
Hardway: Long, rangy. Has struggled with his shot this season but is a scorer. He manufactures points. Doesn't have a great handle, so he tends to struggle when teams get quality ball pressure. If he gets going early, Michigan is typically really tough to beat.
 
Douglass: Streaky shooter but does have great range (think DJ hoisting shots from 25 feet). Very good (bordering on great) perimeter defender. If Burke struggles with Cooper (on defense), Douglass will probably guard the 1. Deceptive handle but mainly a catch and shoot guy.
 
Novak: He's one of those guys you just hate to play against. Tough, strong and the emotional leader. He guards just about every position, is a strong rebounder for 6'4" and a +shooter from 3 (41.6%). The consummate "glue guy". Also has really improved his shooting off the dribble. Gives Michigan a little bit of everything. 
 
Morgan: Has good size (6'8" ish) but he is incredibly prone to foul trouble. In maybe half the games Michigan played this season, he found himself on the bench for long stretches of the 1st half. Cooper really needs to attack him early. Not a great finisher around the rim. Athletic teams tend to give him fits (i.e. shot blockers altering his shot). Offensively he lives off of Burke's penetrate and pitch. Not a player who's going to catch the ball in the post and score with any sort of reliability. 
 
Bench:
 
Michigan really only goes (2) deep with any consistency. 
 
Vogrich: Catch and shoot specialist. He hovers around the 3pt line and typically stays there. He gets all his points off of penetrate and kick (typically by Burke). Can't create his own offense. 
 
Smotrycz: Michigan's tallest player (6'9") but he's a perimeter big. He'll try to bang inside occasionally but he's not a back to the basket post man. He lives off of offense 15 feet and out. Not a big threat rebounding (4.8 per game). 
 
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Michigan is a good shooting team with very good PG play but OU does match up pretty well with them. One thing Beilein is great at is exposing over-pressure by a defense. Ohio needs to be active (as they usually are) but they need to stay home when eyeing passing lanes (or UM will back door them to death). All in all though, a winnable game for OU. Michigan lacks the interior scoring of a traditional Big Ten team. 

Last Edited: 3/12/2012 12:21:48 PM by CATman


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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 12:40:35 PM 
Maybe we can run a few sets for our player who Burke is defending.  Michigan fell apart on Saturday when Burke had four trouble.

Go at him early.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 12:52:53 PM 
Our ability to guard the dribbler is going to be huge.  I think we are a very good "on the ball defensive team".   If we give up dribble penetration - they will kick it out and have wide open threes.  They are spaced so high and wide on the floor - Michigan's system is unique. 

Interested to see if our staff decides to double down on the post like we did against Akron - I just don't think we can leave the shooters.  I'm thinking our posts can play one on one vs. their guy.

Our HS staff went to watch Beilein during his first year at Michigan - we were there they day that he was teaching the offense to his squad the first time - really good stuff - really a great teacher of the game.  He's really recruited the kind of kids that flourish in that system.   A lot of Head Coaches don't get really involved in the drill breakdown stuff but he was all over it.

Groce's connection with OSU and other Big 10 coaches is a great advantage.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What has michigan done this year that we can exploit?
   Posted: 3/12/2012 1:04:28 PM 
More random thoughts...

They have done a significant amount of backscreens in the past.  I would anticipate us to switch most of the guard to guard screens.

The do reverse the ball a lot by bringing the big on top of the key - Ivo, Jon, Reggie will need to guard their guy 20+ ft from the hoop.  When the ball is on top - 2 guards high and wide on both sides of the floor - here is where they get their looks with screens - flares, down, etc...and with no help from the interior because of the post up top, they will look to slip the screen or back cut right to the bucket.  We need great ball pressure from our bigs when Mich posts have the ball up top.

Similar offense that Stevie Taylor ran at Gahanna
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