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Pete Chouteau
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  Message Not Read  November 10 - the takeaways
   Posted: 11/10/2012 8:08:55 PM 
1) Today will be, forever and for always, the day that I officially made my final flip-flop on weeknight #MACtion. Sweet Jesus, today's drive to Athens to go indoors was CRIMINAL! A football-basketball doubleheader today would have been spectacular!

2) I hated Jim Christian, Kent State Head Coach. HATED HIM! Move him 60 feet west, and he's my favorite guy in the world.

3) Don't know what was up with Ivo in the first half. I composed a tweet that the overworked Convo cell towers couldn't accomodate, then had to delete the thought post-game when it was clearly no longer applicable. The intensity he came out of the locker room with in the second half was a sight to behold. Whatever was said worked.

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  Message Not Read  RE: November 10 - the takeaways
   Posted: 11/10/2012 8:38:42 PM 
4) Awful lot of empty seats to call the crowd over 12K. I was contemplating this in the second half when it struck me that I was about to bitch about attendance on November 10. So I stopped that right in its tracks.
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   Posted: 11/10/2012 8:40:53 PM 
What I liked...
1. Travis Wilkins is a good spark off the bench, offense got moving after his three. He has good hands.
2. Ivo being aggressive in the second half and going to the rim is much needed.
3. Pretty good ball movement for first game.
4. Cooper and Kellog are as good as advertised.




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  Message Not Read  RE: November 10 - the takeaways
   Posted: 11/10/2012 8:47:33 PM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
4) Awful lot of empty seats to call the crowd over 12K. I was contemplating this in the second half when it struck me that I was about to bitch about attendance on November 10. So I stopped that right in its tracks.


I think they held back a few too many tickets for students on gameday. Although, I also think there were a lot of "no shows" at the $1 price level. Most fans probably buy more tickets than they need and give them away. The flip-side of that is a lot of unused tickets.

Either way, though...a VERY impressive crowd today. Not much different than the Miami game, where there were also a lot of empty seats in the rafters. 90% of schools in the nation would kill to draw a crowd of 12K to a basketball game.

Last Edited: 11/10/2012 8:48:47 PM by bobcat72
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   Posted: 11/10/2012 8:55:33 PM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
2) I hated Jim Christian, Kent State Head Coach. HATED HIM! Move him 60 feet west, and he's my favorite guy in the world.


Agreed. HATED him at Kent State, but he's really growing on me. Liked his sideline demeanor a lot. Really appreciated that he went over to thank the O Zone after the game. Just seems that he is a likeable guy - and really knows how to coach.

Enjoyed his postgame press conference here...good for a couple laughs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuDVYegQxT4

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  Message Not Read  RE: November 10 - the takeaways
   Posted: 11/10/2012 9:34:44 PM 
bobcat72 wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
4) Awful lot of empty seats to call the crowd over 12K. I was contemplating this in the second half when it struck me that I was about to bitch about attendance on November 10. So I stopped that right in its tracks.


I think they held back a few too many tickets for students on gameday. Although, I also think there were a lot of "no shows" at the $1 price level. Most fans probably buy more tickets than they need and give them away. The flip-side of that is a lot of unused tickets.

Either way, though...a VERY impressive crowd today. Not much different than the Miami game, where there were also a lot of empty seats in the rafters. 90% of schools in the nation would kill to draw a crowd of 12K to a basketball game.


With a 70-degree day in Athens in Nov., I'm sure there were some who said, WTF, we're only out a buck, it's too nice to be inside. 

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  Message Not Read  RE: November 10 - the takeaways
   Posted: 11/10/2012 10:29:56 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
bobcat72 wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
4) Awful lot of empty seats to call the crowd over 12K. I was contemplating this in the second half when it struck me that I was about to bitch about attendance on November 10. So I stopped that right in its tracks.


I think they held back a few too many tickets for students on gameday. Although, I also think there were a lot of "no shows" at the $1 price level. Most fans probably buy more tickets than they need and give them away. The flip-side of that is a lot of unused tickets.

Either way, though...a VERY impressive crowd today. Not much different than the Miami game, where there were also a lot of empty seats in the rafters. 90% of schools in the nation would kill to draw a crowd of 12K to a basketball game.


With a 70-degree day in Athens in Nov., I'm sure there were some who said, WTF, we're only out a buck, it's too nice to be inside. 


Although don't blame all the $1 seats.  I looked down and the lower level, where season tickets so-called big fans sit, were some decent empty seats.  If I had the money and opportunity to see The Bobcats every home game, no matter what the weather or whatever would keep me out.  
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  Message Not Read  RE: November 10 - the takeaways
   Posted: 11/10/2012 10:44:52 PM 
TheGreenFever wrote:
Although don't blame all the $1 seats.  I looked down and the lower level, where season tickets so-called big fans sit, were some decent empty seats.  If I had the money and opportunity to see The Bobcats every home game, no matter what the weather or whatever would keep me out.  


Absolutely! I have lots of season ticket holder friends that, for various reasons, missed today. I almost NEVER miss a game - just one in the last 5 years that I can remember. Priorities, people!! 
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   Posted: 11/10/2012 11:49:30 PM 
Random Thoughts from Today (many of which have been covered in different places):
*Hope DJ brings this type of intensity all year long vs. just randomly throughout the regular season, then full force down the stretch.  He picked up where he left off last year.
*Reggie added a spark and looked as thin (and little) as I can ever remember
*I love Nick Kellog--my favorite Bobcat.  Just all around solid.
*Boy are we a different team with Walter on the floor.  Really missed him in first half and amazed how far he's come along, learned to fit in, since this time last year.
*Ivo drives me crazy!  Honestly, I'd tell him no shots allowed past 15 feet--None!  Thought I read in a recent article his realization that he fell in love with the jump shot too much last season and was going to take it to the rim more this year.  How quickly he forgot his promise.
*Jon Smith does a lot of "little things" we really need.  Have come to appreciate what he adds to the team.
*Love Ricardo's athleticism, but he'd be another guy who'd have the "no jump shots beyond 15 feet" rule applied to him.  He'll make a few, but misses many more.  Focus on the intangibles of loose balls, lock down defense, put back and playing around the rim.  Glimpses of Fresh, Soph wildness still evident. 
*Haven't seen "Bean" play a second, but something tells me JC already has him penciled in to start at the point next year over Stevie.  Just a hunch with no basis.
*I'm lost for what TJ's game is.  Is he a jump shooter only?  Is he going to try to play a little bigger?  He looked to be huring a bit today.  What's his role?  My hunch is that we redshirt him, let him get fully healthy and use him more the next couple years as I wonder how much he'll play once Green is eligible.
*Appears Wilkins' role is to spell Kellog and be another outside threate to add to Nick, DJ and Walter.  Not enough open looks yet to determine if he can fulfill that role.
*Portlands second team was really bad. 
*Is the Ticket Sales strategy to scare people into buying tickets quick; did a bunch of people just not show up; or what?  My section was reportedly sold out and there were plenty of open seats available.  Like 10-20% of the section was not used?  Great crowd, but looked like 10,000 or so instead of 12,000. 

Overall, great day and all the makings of a another fun season!
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  Message Not Read  RE: November 10 - the takeaways
   Posted: 11/11/2012 12:40:16 AM 
bobcat72 wrote:
I think they held back a few too many tickets for students on gameday. Although, I also think there were a lot of "no shows" at the $1 price level. Most fans probably buy more tickets than they need and give them away. The flip-side of that is a lot of unused tickets.


Add me to the list of $1 no shows. Bought a couple tickets on the chance that I'd make it down to Athens, but I couldn't
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   Posted: 11/11/2012 8:43:36 AM 
Chicken George wrote:
Random Thoughts from Today (many of which have been covered in different places):
*Hope DJ brings this type of intensity all year long vs. just randomly throughout the regular season, then full force down the stretch.  He picked up where he left off last year.
*Reggie added a spark and looked as thin (and little) as I can ever remember
*I love Nick Kellog--my favorite Bobcat.  Just all around solid.
*Boy are we a different team with Walter on the floor.  Really missed him in first half and amazed how far he's come along, learned to fit in, since this time last year.
*Ivo drives me crazy!  Honestly, I'd tell him no shots allowed past 15 feet--None!  Thought I read in a recent article his realization that he fell in love with the jump shot too much last season and was going to take it to the rim more this year.  How quickly he forgot his promise.
*Jon Smith does a lot of "little things" we really need.  Have come to appreciate what he adds to the team.
*Love Ricardo's athleticism, but he'd be another guy who'd have the "no jump shots beyond 15 feet" rule applied to him.  He'll make a few, but misses many more.  Focus on the intangibles of loose balls, lock down defense, put back and playing around the rim.  Glimpses of Fresh, Soph wildness still evident. 
*Haven't seen "Bean" play a second, but something tells me JC already has him penciled in to start at the point next year over Stevie.  Just a hunch with no basis.
*I'm lost for what TJ's game is.  Is he a jump shooter only?  Is he going to try to play a little bigger?  He looked to be huring a bit today.  What's his role?  My hunch is that we redshirt him, let him get fully healthy and use him more the next couple years as I wonder how much he'll play once Green is eligible.
*Appears Wilkins' role is to spell Kellog and be another outside threate to add to Nick, DJ and Walter.  Not enough open looks yet to determine if he can fulfill that role.
*Portlands second team was really bad. 
*Is the Ticket Sales strategy to scare people into buying tickets quick; did a bunch of people just not show up; or what?  My section was reportedly sold out and there were plenty of open seats available.  Like 10-20% of the section was not used?  Great crowd, but looked like 10,000 or so instead of 12,000. 

Overall, great day and all the makings of a another fun season!



Rico was 3 for 5 from the field yesterday and had a very nice, aggressive move and jumper from about 17 feet.He clearly works very hard during the off-season, as he has elevated his game once again.

I thought TJ gave us very good minutes and was surprised by his aggressiveness given his medical issue.

Kellogg also has added a new dimension to his game; not just waiting for the open three.

Ivo frustrates the hell out of me.  Just take the ball to the rim.
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  Message Not Read  RE: November 10 - the takeaways
   Posted: 11/11/2012 9:33:04 AM 
TheRealO-H-I-O wrote:
bobcat72 wrote:
I think they held back a few too many tickets for students on gameday. Although, I also think there were a lot of "no shows" at the $1 price level. Most fans probably buy more tickets than they need and give them away. The flip-side of that is a lot of unused tickets.


Add me to the list of $1 no shows. Bought a couple tickets on the chance that I'd make it down to Athens, but I couldn't


My group had 7 tickets and only 3 were used.  I would think all of the advertising earlier in the week hyping a sellout/near sellout would have hurt walk-up sales though.  However, still a great crowd.
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   Posted: 11/11/2012 9:45:09 AM 
They may have sold 12000+ tickets but there were about 3000 empty seats I would estimate, making actual attendance somewhere around 10000-10500.

Given all the great game hype and that it was Dad's weekend, I was actually a bit disappointed with attendance.  But can you imagine any other MAC school (or almost any other college in the nation) saying that? 
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   Posted: 11/11/2012 10:17:27 AM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
1) Today will be, forever and for always, the day that I officially made my final flip-flop on weeknight #MACtion. Sweet Jesus, today's drive to Athens to go indoors was CRIMINAL! A football-basketball doubleheader today would have been spectacular!

2) I hated Jim Christian, Kent State Head Coach. HATED HIM! Move him 60 feet west, and he's my favorite guy in the world.

3) Don't know what was up with Ivo in the first half. I composed a tweet that the overworked Convo cell towers couldn't accomodate, then had to delete the thought post-game when it was clearly no longer applicable. The intensity he came out of the locker room with in the second half was a sight to behold. Whatever was said worked.



I thought the same thing... Tailgate park should have been open. Weeknight football can eat a bag of d***.  Then again, I think football season ended for me Wednesday.

All I cared about yesterday was seeing us play defense.  A little sloppy in the first half, then we tightened the screws and Portland was "dead man walking".  1-0. Nice start.

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   Posted: 11/11/2012 11:07:20 AM 
bobcat72 wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
2) I hated Jim Christian, Kent State Head Coach. HATED HIM! Move him 60 feet west, and he's my favorite guy in the world.


Agreed. HATED him at Kent State, but he's really growing on me. Liked his sideline demeanor a lot. Really appreciated that he went over to thank the O Zone after the game. Just seems that he is a likeable guy - and really knows how to coach.

Enjoyed his postgame press conference here...good for a couple laughs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuDVYegQxT4

I could say a lot of things, but Christian saying it was a "high-major basketball game"  15-25 seconds in is sticking out in my mind.
  

Last Edited: 11/11/2012 11:07:52 AM by The Optimist

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   Posted: 11/11/2012 11:37:59 AM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
1) Today will be, forever and for always, the day that I officially made my final flip-flop on weeknight #MACtion. Sweet Jesus, today's drive to Athens to go indoors was CRIMINAL! A football-basketball doubleheader today would have been spectacular!

2) I hated Jim Christian, Kent State Head Coach. HATED HIM! Move him 60 feet west, and he's my favorite guy in the world.

3) Don't know what was up with Ivo in the first half. I composed a tweet that the overworked Convo cell towers couldn't accomodate, then had to delete the thought post-game when it was clearly no longer applicable. The intensity he came out of the locker room with in the second half was a sight to behold. Whatever was said worked.

;


How many times have I posted that The Convo is inadequate.  Where's that 20,000 seat arena?


I think we have a good coach.

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   Posted: 11/11/2012 12:18:03 PM 
I'll say this about cell service: Pre-game, no issues. Post-game: no issues. 10K in the building: low low connectivity.

I don't think it's administration responsibility to cover such an occurrence. And my friends that attend games in even larger facilities that generate absurd money say they have the same issues.
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   Posted: 11/11/2012 12:28:43 PM 
bobcat72 wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
2) I hated Jim Christian, Kent State Head Coach. HATED HIM! Move him 60 feet west, and he's my favorite guy in the world.


Agreed. HATED him at Kent State, but he's really growing on me. Liked his sideline demeanor a lot. Really appreciated that he went over to thank the O Zone after the game. Just seems that he is a likeable guy - and really knows how to coach.

Enjoyed his postgame press conference here...good for a couple laughs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuDVYegQxT4


one thing I've noticed is how much more relaxed the players seem to be in the post game. With Groce it seemed like every answer from a player was scripted and rehearsed and 95% of the time they prefaced each statement with "like coach always says..". I don't know if I ever saw one of our guys smile, even after a big win. My memory might be a little selective but to see them laughing with JC during the last 30 seconds of that video jumped out at me as something I don't remember seeing before.

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   Posted: 11/11/2012 3:12:54 PM 
My takeaways from yesterday:

Do not consume two aquariums from the Pub and then top them off with two Black Widows over at the Pigskin, all 90 minutes prior to tipoff.  I think I was in the Convo yesterday, but I'm not completely sure . . .  I remember Kellogg knocking down a trey and a few free throws.  I wish I could tell you where the other 13 points came from.

Ozone not quite in mid season form, but this was likely due to the 110 taking up half of the stands.  I still liked the 110 better behind the hoop with the Ozone occupying the entire length of the court. Crowd was what I usually expect from dads weekend.  Nowhere close to sold out but still a good crowd nonetheless. 

Gonna be a fun year. Very impressed with Reggie and what appeared to be better shot selection from DJ.  As frustrating as Ivo can be at times, he has a knack for knocking down tough jumpers at very opportune times (think MAC championship).  Not sure we will find much more out until the Richmond game. That will be a great test.

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   Posted: 11/11/2012 6:05:02 PM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
4) Awful lot of empty seats to call the crowd over 12K. I was contemplating this in the second half when it struck me that I was about to bitch about attendance on November 10. So I stopped that right in its tracks.


Russ commented on broadcast that crowd announced at 12,000 but there were north of 11,000 in the place. I watched highlights on YouTube and the crowd look great.
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   Posted: 11/11/2012 7:41:31 PM 
Why has no one mentioned Travis Wilkins' defense yet? That was the spark I saw more than anything. He's tough as nails on that end of the floor.
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   Posted: 11/11/2012 8:01:42 PM 
OzcatMy takeaw wrote:
Ozone not quite in mid season form, but this was likely due to the 110 taking up half of the stands.  I still liked the 110 better behind the hoop with the Ozone occupying the entire length of the court. Crowd was what I usually expect from dads weekend.  Nowhere close to sold out but still a good crowd nonetheless. 

I really wish they would move the 110 to the end of the court.  I like the 110, but it really hurts atmosphere.  Part of the thinking in that move was giving the O Zone less space to fill so it is more packed.  With the full 110 (on this of all games), the O Zone were severely short on room.  It was entirely filled up an hour before the game.  This year we could easily have a packed O Zone from baseline to baseline...  The endzone seating for students will never take off unless they add a real set of bleachers instead of 2 rows of chairback seats.  It is impossible to coordinate with the main O Zone section as it is...

Another thing with moving the 110 was getting the band out of the teams ears during timeouts... So why not the other end?  It looks slightly smaller, but I would think they could fit there.

This isn't to say the 110 has doesn't have some diehard fans...  They do a great job making noise...

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   Posted: 11/11/2012 8:05:08 PM 
Ozcat wrote:
My takeaways from yesterday:

I still liked the 110 better behind the hoop with the Ozone occupying the entire length of the court.


Completely agree, although when I was in school they were in the Ohio bench end of the arena, which I'm sure didn't please Danny/Billy.  Nor sure there is enough room in the visitors bench end, but I think it is aesthetically more pleasing and allows those who pay for the team (students) to have more/better seating options, which I think is important.

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   Posted: 11/11/2012 8:35:56 PM 
The band is fine where they are now too.  Yesterday was just different because they took up half of that side, which diminished what the Ozone was able to do.  I see it being less of an issue going forward.

Based on what the rest of the MAC did over the weekend, I'd have to say we should feel really good about what we saw yesterday.  I know it's only one game, but Akron may have already blown any shot they had at an at-large bid.
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   Posted: 11/11/2012 8:47:04 PM 
D.A. wrote:
Ozcat wrote:
My takeaways from yesterday:

I still liked the 110 better behind the hoop with the Ozone occupying the entire length of the court.


Completely agree, although when I was in school they were in the Ohio bench end of the arena, which I'm sure didn't please Danny/Billy.  Nor sure there is enough room in the visitors bench end, but I think it is aesthetically more pleasing and allows those who pay for the team (students) to have more/better seating options, which I think is important.


It was the O Zone that was the driving force behind getting the 110 permanently moved.

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