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Topic: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Topic: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

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ab54
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D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 9:03:45 PM

Career 30% and continues to chuck, chuck, chuck....

love the kid and dont wanna leash him as its his strength (his creativity), but would love him to settle less.

like a lot, less.

bobcatsquared
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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 9:10:26 PM

I'm thinking JG gave DJ a lot of freedom last year (or two).

I'm hoping JC reins him in some this year.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 9:21:11 PM

I've been saying for going on 4 years now, there are 2 reasons DJ Cooper is playing at Ohio and not Duke/Kansas etc.

1) His size
2) His horrendous shot selection

He has everything else. He's hit so many big shots for us that it makes it hard to complain too much but I find myself saying "Really? THAT was the shot you decided to take?" at least 3-4 times a game with DJ. At this point I don't see him changing his game so we should just enjoy his senior year and agonize over every chucked 3 with 20 on the shot clock just as we celebrate those magical 3's and game winning/changing shots.

Let's just hope for more of the latter.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 9:23:30 PM

ESPN lied to me.

Last Edited: 12/1/2012 9:24:24 PM by The Optimist

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 10:04:39 PM

Have you guys been to any games this year so far? Until tonight, his game was significantly different...far fewer bad shots.

But tonight, he got that look in his eye...and combine that with the fact we had a hard time executing against RMU's kamikaze defense, and he did start chucking questionable shots.

But overall, he has reigned it in this year so far.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 10:06:27 PM

this conversation again?

Is our offense not working because DJ takes too many 3s, or is DJ taking too many 3s because our offense isn't working? It wasn't like things were running smooth and Coop started hoisting.

RM made 12 threes, Ohio made 13. RM made 10 twos, Ohio made 12. RM won because they out scored Ohio at the foul line 28-13. Just way too many fouls.

Last Edited: 12/1/2012 10:08:30 PM by perimeterpost

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 10:14:55 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Forget how many 2's and 3's both teams made. We shot 62 times versus RMU 39 shots. We hoisted 31 3's and they only 18. IMO it was all about percentages when they waxed us. FT's were the point differential but given how many more shots we took had we shot better the outcome may have been different.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 10:17:49 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

meh.. He's shot 8, 8, and 9 threes the last three games coincidently against our three best opponents.... The tougher the opponent the more he takes on and force or settles...the point is there are better shooters on the floor and he's so good at creating that he/we are better served if he'd take on that role consistently instead of forcing....

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 10:34:11 PM

Jerry86 wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

so again, I'll ask, was our offense not working because DJ takes too many 3s, or was DJ take too many 3s because our offense wasn't working?

and if you're worried about percentages and number of shots, that Anderson kid was 10-10, including 8-8 from 3, he's a career 37% 3pt shooter. You don't have to take as many shots as we did if you're hitting at that rate.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:42:53 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Been to two games in the Convo and watched all other home games on webcast (not sure if that qualifies me). I'll stand by my original post.

Last Edited: 12/1/2012 11:03:34 PM by bobcatsquared

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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:01:54 PM

I am with bobcatsq on this. DJ needs to be reigned in. I've watched all the games over the internet and been in the chat room. I remember two specific times DJ took a 3 in the first 5 secs of the shot clock after crossing mid court. In fact, after both I commented those were the kind of shots Bob Knight would have shot him for (after Knights recent comments on tv). He does so many things well but he is not really a very good per centage shooter. I'd rather see him have 10 assists per game than 10 attempted threes. Didn't see the game today but I'd be willing to bet he took another one or two really bad shots.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:12:31 PM

I stand by Jeff's observations that DJ has been MUCH improved in all the described areas so far this year (distribution first/shot 2nd; less frequent illadvised 3 point bombs, etc...). Tonight, DJ looked somewhat like "old DJ". Not sure if he regressed to his old habits, or if he just got in desperation mode and was trying to make something happen. He's stuck the dagger in teams hearts dating back to the end of last season with some shots that if they wouldn't have gone in would've been bad shots and I think he was just trying to make something happen on a night when a lot of stuff wasn't going right. I give him a pass tonight and he's been very good as of late.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 11:20:49 PM

I do not think you guys are allowed to say this stuff.....at least the last 3 years when I said the same thing I was chastised.

Bottom line is he is a GREAT creator. He is a spotty 3 ball shooter. He hits big ones He hits monsters. But he also takes away opportunities for better % shooters to get what they should be getting. His next level aspirations are commensurate with his ability to make the guys around him better That is ONLY My opinion. that and 4 bucks wil get a gallon of gas.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 11:30:16 PM

We have NO INSIDE GAME. NONE. ZERO. Somebody ends up having to chuck up something...............................

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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:36:02 PM

I think a lot of the 3s tonight was because we were trying to overcome the 19-pt deficit. I don't think it was as much panic as it was a realization that things weren't working inside, so we needed to spread them out. The team was only 12-31 (38.7%) from inside the arc.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/1/2012 11:37:30 PM

We used to have a little bit of any inside game, but now:

1. Ivo's turned into a jump shooter and I can't remember the last time he shot a free throw;
2. Reggie is the only version of a post up player we have on the roster, but doesn't get to play any more; and
3. Jon Smith don't do offensive.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:42:56 PM

Chicken George wrote:

But .... Ivo has been hitting some 3's .. so the lack of FT's IMO is a wash at best. I'm happy with the 3's and his
ability to hit them. yep, he's be even more valuable if he could take it low and get the plus one.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/2/2012 12:02:43 AM

Jerry86 wrote:

Chicken George wrote:

Sorry that it has come to this but:

1. Ivo used to have an "around, up and under move" - what happened to that? And "3's" - Plural? Really? For a game, or the season so far?
2. "Reggie", and "Post Up" don't seem to belong in the same sentence.
3. Jon needs to "do offensive rebounding". That of course requires going to the basket quicker and getting into position after a shot.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/2/2012 12:29:19 AM

RSBobcat wrote:

Jerry86 wrote:

Chicken George wrote:

Sorry that it has come to this but:

1. Ivo used to have an "around, up and under move" - what happened to that? And "3's" - Plural? Really? For a game, or the season so far?

Yes, plural. Ivo is our top 3 point shooter at 57%. if you've been to a game you'd see his shot looks better. Sorry, but iI'll take a 3 over a 2 + 1 option. We lost to a better team tonight and that justifies why we're not a top 25 team.

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/2/2012 12:34:36 AM

Jerry86 wrote:

RSBobcat wrote:

Jerry86 wrote:

Chicken George wrote:

Sorry that it has come to this but:

1. Ivo used to have an "around, up and under move" - what happened to that? And "3's" - Plural? Really? For a game, or the season so far?

So - 4 on the perimeter is where we want to go - ????????????? I have been to every game. His shot, if from the perimeter, "looks like" we could not get the shot we really wanted, or, the shot we should have been able to get from OUr offense.......................

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RE: D.J.s 3 pt prowess?

Posted: 12/2/2012 12:39:08 AM

RSBobcat wrote:

We have NO INSIDE GAME. NONE. ZERO. Somebody ends up having to chuck up something...............................

Hopefully Mr. Green will change this conversation. And yes, DJ needs to stand down a bit.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:41:58 AM

Ivo's a confusing player. Make what you will of these random observations:

1. Ivo used to be very effective and crafty around the basket.
2. Ivo used to go to the line quite a bit.
3. We have a shortage of inside options and it would be nice to have Ivo as one.
4. Ivo can go to the basket effectively against smaller competition, but cannot against bigger teams/players. Against physical players/teams he used to settle for fade away's and low percentage shots.
5. Ivo's outside shot appears much improved this year.
6. Ivo appears to be passing out of the post and double teams much better than years past when it was dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble--black hole.
7. We're a much better team when Ivo's involved, but you never know game-to-game what you're going to get from him.

Ivo's a senior and I still don't know what his game is. I have a like/dislike relationship with his game. When he's going, I like him. When he's not, he frustrates me to no end. This sounds like a typical fan, but I only have this type of relationship from time-to-time with DJ.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:49:53 AM

I love Ivo– he's probably my favorite guy on the team– but for the life of me I just don't understand why he doesn't finish around the basket anymore. He blows by people at will, but then– when he's right at the basket– he jumps and passes.. when he could easily dunk/lay it in. He used to be a guy we could run our offense through, now.. not so much. This change occurred about midway through last season. I know he was a bit banged up last year, so I thought that may have been why– as he was maybe having trouble planting to go up to the hoop. But now... I just don't know.

That said, let's regroup and get Memphis. Sure 1-1 is not what we wanted out of this trip, but if you take a step back and look at who it's against 1-1 isn't too bad.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:39:45 AM

I could be wrong but I think it is now 15, yes FIFTEEN, games and counting dating back to last year since Ivo has been at the foul line. I think he transformed his game about mid-year last year when he had so much trouble at the foul line. No question he has gone from attacking the basket to taking the 10ft and longer jump shots.

Between Jon, Ivo and Reggie last nite that trio attempted 4 foul shots. All taken by Reggie and 2 were made.

I was at the game. Yea DJ took a couple of ill-advised 3's. DJ did not lose that game for OHIO last nite. He put that team on his back and kept them within striking distance with a gutty 2nd half performance.

We need far more consistentcy and performance from our "inside" game. The lack of it last nite was what led to the amount of 3's being taken.

Anderson had one of those games you dream about as a kid and he had that ONCE in a lifetime performance. He hit a couple of those 3's late in shot clocks with either Nick or Walt in his face. If the kid would have gone 4 for 8 instead of 8 for 8 we win that game.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette writer that covered the game gave a kudo's to the OHIO Contingent that filled 2 bleachers of fans. It was a very, very impressive turn-out.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:09:51 AM

BobcatSports wrote:

I could be wrong but I think it is now 15, yes FIFTEEN, games and counting dating back to last year since Ivo has been at the foul line.

Wow. That is incredible.

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