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  Message Not Read  TWC Game
   Posted: 1/23/2013 10:49:30 PM 
I was very happy to be able to watch tonight's game on my cable.  I didn't try very hard to figure out we ho actually was broadcasting the game (meaning what network, etc) but I do know that I will not be listening to the announcers ever again.  If Ohio is ever carried on this channel with these announcers I will be listening to the Ohio feed no matter how much time difference there might be.  These guys were TERRIBLE.  Wrong names, wrong calls, terrible analysis, and just bad announcing.

Of course that is just my opinion.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/23/2013 10:56:49 PM 
They almost suck as bad as Fiami


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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/23/2013 10:57:54 PM 
I thought the one announcer . . . Joe Barry . . . was a member of the Oxford Tech AD's office.  I think about ten times in the game he called a play the redchickens way only to be "overruled" when the officials called it the other way.  I don't remember one time when the opposite happened.  BTW, that name "Joe Barry" seems a little familiar from the distant past.  Can anyone refresh my memory.  Who is he?  Where did he come from?  


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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/23/2013 11:02:55 PM 
Joe Barry played at Ohio in the 1960's...then left and became a coach. Believe he coached at M*&*@ for 20+ years. He son - J. Barry - played on Trent's teams in the 90's.

Hurts a little to see that an alumnus has gone to the dark side!!

Last Edited: 1/23/2013 11:03:57 PM by catfan28

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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/23/2013 11:10:03 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I thought the one announcer . . . Joe Barry . . . was a member of the Oxford Tech AD's office.  I think about ten times in the game he called a play the redchickens way only to be "overruled" when the officials called it the other way.  I don't remember one time when the opposite happened.  BTW, that name "Joe Barry" seems a little familiar from the distant past.  Can anyone refresh my memory.  Who is he?  Where did he come from?  


According to the Ohio website, the guy's name is Joe Brady.  You might be thinking of Joe Barry Carroll, former Purdue player.  The guy doing play-by-play was Tim Bray.  I think they're both Fiami shills.  A website for Bray from 2011 says he broadcasts Fiami football and b-ball games.  Not sure about Brady.  I heard them as I was getting the streaming video (which was awful from the MAC website but very good from firstrow) and immediately opened a tab so I could hear Russ and Rob.  It was out of sync, but beat the alternative.


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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/23/2013 11:23:05 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I thought the one announcer . . . Joe Barry . . . was a member of the Oxford Tech AD's office.  I think about ten times in the game he called a play the redchickens way only to be "overruled" when the officials called it the other way.  I don't remember one time when the opposite happened.  BTW, that name "Joe Barry" seems a little familiar from the distant past.  Can anyone refresh my memory.  Who is he?  Where did he come from?  


I believe Steve Baker's former partner was Joe Barry.


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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/23/2013 11:38:04 PM 
Don't know if this was the same commentary as the web feed, which seemed like their radio guys but I was very impressed with them.  As was I impressed by their video quality, zoom level, and on screen clock.  Definitely superior to Russ and Rob, and from a production standpoint not even close to close.


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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 12:39:51 AM 
DayvidGallagher wrote:
Don't know if this was the same commentary as the web feed, which seemed like their radio guys but I was very impressed with them.  As was I impressed by their video quality, zoom level, and on screen clock.  Definitely superior to Russ and Rob, and from a production standpoint not even close to close.


I do not know either but if the announcing was good in any manner then it could not have been the same thing.  The video of the game was very good but Reggie Keel and Nick Keller were never on the floor as far as I could tell.  Of course neither was DJ Cooper when one of the announcer claimed that he made "yet another turnover".  DJ did not appear to have a great game and the announcer called him out a lot...he might have looked at his line though before talking too much.

Just curious about issues with Russ and Rob.  I kind of like their broadcasts.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 5:28:11 AM 
DayvidGallagher wrote:
Don't know if this was the same commentary as the web feed, which seemed like their radio guys but I was very impressed with them.  As was I impressed by their video quality, zoom level, and on screen clock.  Definitely superior to Russ and Rob, and from a production standpoint not even close to close.


The web feed's audio was the Miami radio guys, not the Time Warner TV guys. You could tell in the pregame and during commercials that the video and audio were separate feeds.

They did a pretty good job of syncing them up though. My audio was maybe a half second behind the video. The only time I really noticed was when Miami would clank a shot off the rim and the sound would come a split second after I saw the miss.

The production looked better because it was being done by Time Warner, not Miami.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 6:47:25 AM 
I remarked in the chatt last night how good the guys onthe broadcast were. I thought they did a nice jobon the color and play by play though they were decidely overly familiar with Miami and a bit homerish for a tv braoadcast. I expect that on hometown radio but less so on nationally broadcast tv.

Good stuff. Nice to have  aclear feed here in Switz but I admit after a full day in Milan starting at 7 am when the Cats went on the run early in the second half I was toast. Said ciao and went to sleep confident the dagger was well placed.....and turned. Dunno why all these months I thought the John Cooper we were talking about was the white version.


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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 8:10:16 AM 
Tyler wrote:
DayvidGallagher wrote:
Don't know if this was the same commentary as the web feed, which seemed like their radio guys but I was very impressed with them.  As was I impressed by their video quality, zoom level, and on screen clock.  Definitely superior to Russ and Rob, and from a production standpoint not even close to close.


The web feed's audio was the Miami radio guys, not the Time Warner TV guys. You could tell in the pregame and during commercials that the video and audio were separate feeds.

They did a pretty good job of syncing them up though. My audio was maybe a half second behind the video. The only time I really noticed was when Miami would clank a shot off the rim and the sound would come a split second after I saw the miss.

The production looked better because it was being done by Time Warner, not Miami.


That makes sense now.  I listened to the game on WMOH here in Hamilton (the flagship station of the Redchickens) and it was the same two commentators.  It was fun to hear them grasp at straws at the end knowing their team was dominated.  

We really need to set up a radio affiliate for the Cats in Southwest Ohio.  It's kind of frustrating that I can listen to UK and Louisville games on local stations but not Ohio.  Granted there are tons of UK and UL fans around here but still.  


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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 9:16:46 AM 
bobcat2nc wrote:
DayvidGallagher wrote:
Don't know if this was the same commentary as the web feed, which seemed like their radio guys but I was very impressed with them.  As was I impressed by their video quality, zoom level, and on screen clock.  Definitely superior to Russ and Rob, and from a production standpoint not even close to close.


I do not know either but if the announcing was good in any manner then it could not have been the same thing.  The video of the game was very good but Reggie Keel and Nick Keller were never on the floor as far as I could tell.  Of course neither was DJ Cooper when one of the announcer claimed that he made "yet another turnover".  DJ did not appear to have a great game and the announcer called him out a lot...he might have looked at his line though before talking too much.

Just curious about issues with Russ and Rob.  I kind of like their broadcasts.


The guys on the Time Warner broadcast were simply the worst I've ever listened to at a college level or above.  They were definite Fiami homers, and they couldn't even pronounce simple names: Keely and Kellogg.  They didn't know who was on the floor -- blaming DJ for a turnover committed by Taylor when DJ was on the bench.  If I could send the folks at TWC an email and get it to the right person, I would let them know.


Now, onto more important things -- Talk about this "Superior to Russ & Rob" stuff and what leads to your opinion there.  I happen to think they do a fine job.  They know what they're talking about, they're entertaining (yes sometimes goofy, but so what), and they clearly do their homework -- i.e. can properly pronounce player/coach names, and know a little about the opponent.  In listening to other school's broadcasts (normally O$U and UC for me), they're comparable as far as competency and entertainment.  Paul Keels of course is excellent, but his color man is not.  Same applies at UC. Dan Hoard is pretty good, but the color guy there is horrible.



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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 9:41:33 AM 
OU_Country wrote:


Now, onto more important things -- Talk about this "Superior to Russ & Rob" stuff and what leads to your opinion there.  I happen to think they do a fine job.  They know what they're talking about, they're entertaining (yes sometimes goofy, but so what), and they clearly do their homework -- i.e. can properly pronounce player/coach names, and know a little about the opponent.  In listening to other school's broadcasts (normally O$U and UC for me), they're comparable as far as competency and entertainment.  Paul Keels of course is excellent, but his color man is not.  Same applies at UC. Dan Hoard is pretty good, but the color guy there is horrible.





I watched on the web so I believe we got the Fiami guys.  They were pretty good but IMO they aren't nearly as good as Russ and Rob.  I think people get lost in a little bit of Russ and Rob's schtick to realize how good they are at actually calling and analyzing the game.   Plus they obviously spend a lot more time scouting opponents than most teams. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 9:52:40 AM 
Agree Van. And the scouting and knowing the opponent part is something that shows whether or not the broadcast team did their homework.  Nothing fires me up more on a broadcast than a guy getting paid to call a game that can't pronounce the player's name correctly. 
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   Posted: 1/24/2013 10:05:40 AM 
Yes.  The webcast had the Miami Radio Broadcast linked up.  It confused the hell out of me at the beginning and I kept refreshing my screen because the video opened with a wide pan of the arena and you here the radio guys intros about "today's contest with the Ohio Bobcats blah blah, now let's listen in on the Star Spangled Banner sang by Miami's Acapella club".  The singing starts, then you see video of two guys sitting on the court talking, but all you hear is the national anthem, then a commercial comes on screen and still hear national anthem.  Refreshed screen a couple times before figuring out the audio was separate.  Miami radio guys were fine for opponent announcers.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 11:38:59 AM 
Watched the TWC feed via ESPN3. Announcing was incompetent, but the broadcast was pretty technically sound for a local production. Was great to see the Cats beat up on Miami at any rate.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TWC Game
   Posted: 1/24/2013 12:15:47 PM 
Having been in their shoes, I try not to be too critical of broadcast teams.  The higher up on the chain they are, the more I expect from them.  It really is difficult to do games when there's only one or two people responsible for most or all of the broadcast.   I give them some leeway on pronouncing some of the more exotic names, even with media guide help, especially if they don't see the guys very often.  But if you can't get "Keely" or "Kellogg" you have no business behind the mic.  And if you can't tell the difference between "5" and "22" you either need new specs or to find another occupation.  I like the job Russ and Rob do, although I wish Russ would take a remedial math class.  They're not real homers; they give the other teams a lot of credit, which adds to their credibility; and they're fun to listen to.


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   Posted: 1/24/2013 12:55:55 PM 
I guess we were lucky with the web experience.  Combined the best of both, good the good video quality from TWC and from what I am hearing the better commentary from the Miami guys vs. the cable guys.

This topic has been covered a few times annually on this board about Russ and Rob with the love 'em or hate 'em dichotomy.  I happen to be in the hate them group.  I'm not into the "shtick" mentioned above and find it kinda childish and embarrassing. But that's just me.

One thing I haven't ever heard mention is I feel like Russ's call is a little bit fast and busy for my liking. I know its a hard distinction to make but I notice a difference in pace between him and say an ESPN television broadcast.  I think the main reason for this is because on ESPN it's a telecast not radio.  Some details can be left out because the audience can see for themselves.  This is of course hard for Russ because the same audio is used for the video feed and on local radio. Either way I find the extra few words to be distracting and requires a lot of focus to actually listen to which I don't prefer.

Just my two cents.


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   Posted: 1/24/2013 1:57:49 PM 
DayvidGallagher wrote:
I guess we were lucky with the web experience.  Combined the best of both, good the good video quality from TWC and from what I am hearing the better commentary from the Miami guys vs. the cable guys.

This topic has been covered a few times annually on this board about Russ and Rob with the love 'em or hate 'em dichotomy.  I happen to be in the hate them group.  I'm not into the "shtick" mentioned above and find it kinda childish and embarrassing. But that's just me.

One thing I haven't ever heard mention is I feel like Russ's call is a little bit fast and busy for my liking. I know its a hard distinction to make but I notice a difference in pace between him and say an ESPN television broadcast.  I think the main reason for this is because on ESPN it's a telecast not radio.  Some details can be left out because the audience can see for themselves.  This is of course hard for Russ because the same audio is used for the video feed and on local radio. Either way I find the extra few words to be distracting and requires a lot of focus to actually listen to which I don't prefer.

Just my two cents.


You really do need the extra words on radio though. Try listening to a televised game with only the ESPN (or CBS, etc) announcers but 100% unable to see the screen. They don't provide enough detail to be able to visualize the game, and you quickly become lost.
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   Posted: 1/24/2013 6:31:32 PM 
Running through the list of questions above.......

Yes, if you watched online, you got the excellent Miami radio call over top of the Time Warner TV broadcast's video. Proud anytime we can be compared to Steve Baker's version of the show. He is the gold standard in this league in terms of professionalism & institutional memory. By my recollection, has been doing the Miami games the bulk of the last 20+ years, with only a short break for Brian Estridge in the middle, all the while mixing in some work at WOXY-The Future of Rock & Roll. Great pipes.

If I have to listen to a show that isn't Ohio's, the Miami version is the best in our league. Consider a lot of the younger guys at some other spots as friends, and some of them are still on an upward career trajectory. The younger guys at Buffalo & EMU are especially good dudes..........but the Miami show crew can still get Bob Donewald jokes.

If you watched on cable, or ESPN3, you got the Time Warner TV game with Miami's 2nd string announce team, albeit branded as a non-partisan show. Appears that latter part of the show was universally panned above and during the game on Twitter. Sorry to hear it.

Found it odd that TW used a satellite truck to get the signal up; Miami used to frequently use a fibre connection for their sports, in recent years' broadcasts on ONN. Didn't realize it had been turned dark.

Unsure what the future plan is for this Time Warner Sports product; originally believed they would win the bidding for STO/Indians. Now, unsure what they plan to do or if they can make any $$ taking up the sports broadcasts that ONN dropped. Did see some straggler employees I knew were unemployed from ONN/WBNS on the TW truck.

As far as the online show, Miami's internet stream usually doesn't 'look' as good as it did last night. They clearly were taking the feed from the TW TV truck. On a typical league game night, their setup looks a lot more like ours from the Convo. 2-3 student run cameras, minimal production values. Typical of the rest of the MAC.

While most schools in the league are frankly not attendance driven for hoops revenue, I get the feeling that the gentleman's agreement is out there to ensure the games make it to the web, are aired, but are only adequate in quality to document games, not to hamper any local attendance. It's a tight line schools have to tightrope, between giving fans a product they want and keeping lazy folks at home to watch.

Translated? The product on the web can't be too high quality/professional, or else ticket/concession/parking revenue get hurt. Much like some newspapers having content behind a paywall, it's not clear where the line needs to be for a MAC program yet that increases interest without killing revenues.

As far as not having a SW Ohio affiliate, am pretty sure we have had one during FB season in recent seasons that drops off for hoops season. Out in Brown County I think, so has been a rimshot into Cincinnati and Dayton. Honestly, with the fact that MAC schools have to spend hard dollars often to get on radio air in larger Ohio markets, we'd likely be better off educating our fans on the internet apps that allow most folks with a smartphone and Bluetooth to listen in their homes/cars via very modest cell phone bandwidth. Add in the coverage of adding the various WOUB affiliates now (Chilicothe, Zanesville, Belmont & Ironton), and we've got most of the rural downstate covered very well along with our commercial affiliates.

Based on the discussion above, folks seem to 'like' play-by-play voices at their various fanships, but not the analysts. The stark reality is this........when former athletes are found that are broadcast ready, they move up FAST. The skillset of being cogent, concise, yet complete, often in sub ten-second bursts, is rare in any performance field. It shows something when even 'bigger' programs like OSU or UC can't find/keep former players or coaches that sound as competent as their Play-By-Play wingmen.

Think that's most of it. Just glad enough folks are listening to have a strong opinion positive or negative on our shows. Available for your comments/suggestions/hate mail off line and happy to answer questions as best I can on any tech concerns above at tvsrob@gmail.com

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   Posted: 1/24/2013 6:54:24 PM 
Good stuff, Rob. I'll add Baker is a quality, classy dude. We always have a good chat when we cross paths.


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   Posted: 1/24/2013 7:43:25 PM 
Bob Haldeman wrote:
Running through the list of questions above.......

Yes, if you watched online, you got the excellent Miami radio call over top of the Time Warner TV broadcast's video. Proud anytime we can be compared to Steve Baker's version of the show. He is the gold standard in this league in terms of professionalism & institutional memory. By my recollection, has been doing the Miami games the bulk of the last 20+ years, with only a short break for Brian Estridge in the middle, all the while mixing in some work at WOXY-The Future of Rock & Roll. Great pipes.

If I have to listen to a show that isn't Ohio's, the Miami version is the best in our league. Consider a lot of the younger guys at some other spots as friends, and some of them are still on an upward career trajectory. The younger guys at Buffalo & EMU are especially good dudes..........but the Miami show crew can still get Bob Donewald jokes.

If you watched on cable, or ESPN3, you got the Time Warner TV game with Miami's 2nd string announce team, albeit branded as a non-partisan show. Appears that latter part of the show was universally panned above and during the game on Twitter. Sorry to hear it.

Found it odd that TW used a satellite truck to get the signal up; Miami used to frequently use a fibre connection for their sports, in recent years' broadcasts on ONN. Didn't realize it had been turned dark.

Unsure what the future plan is for this Time Warner Sports product; originally believed they would win the bidding for STO/Indians. Now, unsure what they plan to do or if they can make any $$ taking up the sports broadcasts that ONN dropped. Did see some straggler employees I knew were unemployed from ONN/WBNS on the TW truck.

As far as the online show, Miami's internet stream usually doesn't 'look' as good as it did last night. They clearly were taking the feed from the TW TV truck. On a typical league game night, their setup looks a lot more like ours from the Convo. 2-3 student run cameras, minimal production values. Typical of the rest of the MAC.

While most schools in the league are frankly not attendance driven for hoops revenue, I get the feeling that the gentleman's agreement is out there to ensure the games make it to the web, are aired, but are only adequate in quality to document games, not to hamper any local attendance. It's a tight line schools have to tightrope, between giving fans a product they want and keeping lazy folks at home to watch.

Translated? The product on the web can't be too high quality/professional, or else ticket/concession/parking revenue get hurt. Much like some newspapers having content behind a paywall, it's not clear where the line needs to be for a MAC program yet that increases interest without killing revenues.

As far as not having a SW Ohio affiliate, am pretty sure we have had one during FB season in recent seasons that drops off for hoops season. Out in Brown County I think, so has been a rimshot into Cincinnati and Dayton. Honestly, with the fact that MAC schools have to spend hard dollars often to get on radio air in larger Ohio markets, we'd likely be better off educating our fans on the internet apps that allow most folks with a smartphone and Bluetooth to listen in their homes/cars via very modest cell phone bandwidth. Add in the coverage of adding the various WOUB affiliates now (Chilicothe, Zanesville, Belmont & Ironton), and we've got most of the rural downstate covered very well along with our commercial affiliates.

Based on the discussion above, folks seem to 'like' play-by-play voices at their various fanships, but not the analysts. The stark reality is this........when former athletes are found that are broadcast ready, they move up FAST. The skillset of being cogent, concise, yet complete, often in sub ten-second bursts, is rare in any performance field. It shows something when even 'bigger' programs like OSU or UC can't find/keep former players or coaches that sound as competent as their Play-By-Play wingmen.

Think that's most of it. Just glad enough folks are listening to have a strong opinion positive or negative on our shows. Available for your comments/suggestions/hate mail off line and happy to answer questions as best I can on any tech concerns above at tvsrob@gmail.com

Proud to do this job for our university, thrilled to have a good reason to come to Athens 30+ times a year.

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Thanks for the info. I am a big fan of the broadcasts and enjoy both Russ and Rob's contributions. I like their overall presentation and the back and forth jokes between the two. I found myself muting the Miami announcers in the 2nd half (who were good too btw)  to listen to our announcers on a slight delay because I enjoy our announcers. Keep up the great work!
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   Posted: 1/25/2013 6:28:11 AM 
DayvidGallagher wrote:
I guess we were lucky with the web experience.  Combined the best of both, good the good video quality from TWC and from what I am hearing the better commentary from the Miami guys vs. the cable guys.

This topic has been covered a few times annually on this board about Russ and Rob with the love 'em or hate 'em dichotomy.  I happen to be in the hate them group.  I'm not into the "shtick" mentioned above and find it kinda childish and embarrassing. But that's just me.

One thing I haven't ever heard mention is I feel like Russ's call is a little bit fast and busy for my liking. I know its a hard distinction to make but I notice a difference in pace between him and say an ESPN television broadcast.  I think the main reason for this is because on ESPN it's a telecast not radio.  Some details can be left out because the audience can see for themselves.  This is of course hard for Russ because the same audio is used for the video feed and on local radio. Either way I find the extra few words to be distracting and requires a lot of focus to actually listen to which I don't prefer.

Just my two cents.


If our guys are too fast for you, I know a very nice man in Del Boca Vista calling jai alai matches 15 minutes behind the action. YOU'LL LOVE IT!
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   Posted: 1/25/2013 12:08:31 PM 
Good stuff, Rob.
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   Posted: 1/25/2013 12:12:32 PM 
Rob, thanks for taking the time to post all that great stuff.  Gives us more insight about how the business works.

Thanks to you and Russ for your excellent work on and off air.  I enjoy your stuff big time.  And keep the Donewald jokes coming.  I saw Darrel Hedric in Millett the other night and remembered when a fan in the Convo hit him in the back with a roll of toilet paper.  Now that's old stuff. 
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