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FearLeon
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Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:00:38 PM

I've never seen a coach hang his head in disgust and disappointment more than this guy when his team falls behind. I don't get it. How bout trying to energize your team when it gets behind?

I still say not playing on Wednesday killed all of this team's momentum.

Can't win missing layups (I counted 5 from Offutt...not rebounding...DJ ice cold and a goose egg out of Baltic. Where was Ivo today?

We've lost to every quality opponent we've played and even threw in a loss to Winthrop.

Strange team and coach to watch, but as always, it will once again come down to a couple of March nights in Cleveland.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

giacomo
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:06:59 PM

I concur. We were at the rim numerous times and came away with nothing. We didn't play that bad. The refs let their second string center get away with at least three travels. Home cooking. I'm not disappointed. We always had to win in Cleveland.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:07:17 PM

FearLeon wrote:

Can't blame him for having the 2nd best PG on the floor tonight and a senior with the first name of IVO that didn't show up at all.

west side cat
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:09:57 PM

Are we really going to grill Christian after every loss...........

Doc Bobcat
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:12:31 PM

Just like last year....it all comes down to March baby.

JC can hang his head on Feb.2.....hopefully we won't be hangin OUrs in March.

Kron will not beat us 3 times this year.

FearLeon
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:13:33 PM

west side cat wrote:

Are we really going to grill Christian after every loss...........

He takes over one of the best returning squads in OHIO basketball history and he has yet to beat a quality opponent.
Yes..I think it's a fair assessment at this point of the season.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:13:50 PM

Not playing wednesday has no bearing on it. If anything it gives you one more day to hone your game plan and get healthy. It may hurt us more in the schedule down the line but the opportunity to rest a minute should be a positive going into a big game with a good team. Extra rest and time are welcome breaks in the bigger pic.

frustrating to watch to be sure.

Program going to the top of the MAC heap....need to keep moving forward and create seperation IMHO.

never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game

JerseyArnie
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:19:13 PM

west side cat wrote:

Are we really going to grill Christian after every loss...........

If they played Ok, Memphis, Ma, or Kron tough, I think we would cut JC some slack. The guys start off strong, then miss open 3s, and easy baskets under the boards. in other words, they are playing with out confidence. Isn't that a coaches job?

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:21:39 PM

He just said they heavily emphasized rebounding in practice.

And I disagree with the idea we haven't played teams tough. Yes, we rolled over against Memphis, but I absolutely argue we didn't quit today and stayed tough against UMass. I don't remember the fake OU game well enough.

Last Edited: 2/2/2013 7:22:41 PM by JSF

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:27:41 PM

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I respectively disagree, with three minutes left in the game it was over.

bornacatfan
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:29:10 PM

JerseyArnie wrote:

JSF wrote:

I respectively disagree, with three minutes left in the game it was over.

It was over when they scored roght out of the half. 43 . was the last chance we had to get back in it.

FearLeon
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:31:43 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

JerseyArnie wrote:

JSF wrote:

I respectively disagree, with three minutes left in the game it was over.

It was over when they scored roght out of the half. 43 . was the last chance we had to get back in it.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:32:16 PM

These Coach Christian threads are getting more than a little tiresome. Let's see; we were undefeated in conference play until today. We lost to the team with the longest winning streak in the country and someone complains because Jim Christian shruggs as if he is the only one in the country who doesn't? I am pretty close to Jim Christian's age and can't remember any coach who didn't do the same both in high school and college. With regard to non-qualities wins; Richmond and St Bonaventure are both above 500 and they are playing in one of the top conferences in the country (the Atlantic 10.) I seem recall the Richmond game wasn't close. Again, I don't have the time to research it, but I am sure it would be more than a little interesting to read some of the posts regarding Coach Groce at this point last year and years before that.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:34:30 PM

If you want a yeller and a screamer, or even a guy who gets overly emotional, you've got the wrong guy. It is not going to happen. Players need to play and they need to be responsible for their roles. JC does not see his role as a cheerleader, nor a screamer. He respects the game and the players too much. There are other ways to motivate besides screaming. I would suggest that the most important problem facing the coach is getting Ivo to produce and I doubt yelling at him on the bench is the way to accomplish that. Walter isn't trying to miss and the coaches level of emotion isn't going to make the ball go in.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:36:27 PM

cbus cat fan wrote:

, but I am sure it would be more than a little interesting to read some of the posts regarding Coach Groce at this point last year and years before that.

Just do a site search using SBH and Groce and you will have entertainment for a week. Not picking on ya Drew but if anyone wants to read about Groce the threads containing those search parameters paint a picture of what folks were say9ng about last years team following EMU and Toodleleydo.

Ozcat
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:36:59 PM

I'm going to safely assume that JC had little to do with Zeke and Abreu going a combined 15/18. I can almost assure you they won't do that again.

Last Edited: 2/2/2013 10:42:11 PM by Ozcat

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:39:55 PM

JerseyArnie wrote:

JSF wrote:

I respectively disagree, with three minutes left in the game it was over.

What's your disagreement, exactly? Are you saying they gave up?

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:40:10 PM

So Akron has won the Super Bowl, Zeke is POY. Our coach is clueless ....!'give me a freakn ' break
was impressed with our early game plan, had some breakdowns.. Whatever . I will not call anyone out on this loss , Shots fall or they don't . Nick had a good game, TJ also...I refuse to rip this team or effort .... Moving on

Last Edited: 2/2/2013 7:46:42 PM by cathead

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:44:52 PM

Don't like to comment too much....too easy to criticize from the bleachers/couch. Also, I never believe that you should be critical of individual players. It doesn't seem productive. As for criticizing the coach....I guess he is fair game. Yet, I used to roam the sideline at the high school level for a number of years....it is never easy down there.

I don't know enough about Christian's personality to know if his lack of gametime "emotion" or "fire" is his DNA or if he is still trying to find the balance with this team. While I still believe that this team is talented and at times (first 10 minutes) show shades of last year's run, they seem to me to play with an overall lack of togetherness and energy when "times get tough". I can't quite put my finger on it....but am beginning to think that Groce's fire and intensity brought the energy and leadership from the sideline last year. I'm not sure who is doing that this year. It doesn't seem to exist too well on the court.

There are lots of things I could criticize....

1. lack of offensive movement and "sharing the rock" after the first 10 minutes. It sure looked good early...one of the better stretches I've seen this year.
2. a collective lack of putting a body on a man in order to get rebounds....we seem to be "too short" to engage in a jumping contest for rebounds...only one way to fix that. Our overall lack of height and explosive height at that can only be corrected with a team commitment to rebound. On a side note....never seem to send too many to the offensive glass, but also don't do a good job getting back?
3. a lack of communication (screens...even though some seemed to be moving; a fastbreak where no one talked to get deepest man covered and it leads to a wide-open lay-up)
4. a lack of consistent defensive effort esp. on the perimeter. We have the skill and quickness out there....I'd like to see 35 seconds of it...esp. against a team who was awfully hot from outside. It also would help to prevent the easy post passes.
5. not getting much out of the post. I'd like to see more touches by Reggie...get Marshall in foul trouble/Treadwell? It wouldn't hurt the inside/out game.

I thought TJ played reall well....nice work on the offensive glass. He might be best starting right now????

One final thought (although it pains me to say). Akron played really well. They shot the ball really well, had a lot of bounces go their way (although I believe you earn your luck) and fought out of an early hole.

Let's get them in Athens and hopefully square off up in Cleveland to see who gets to go dancing!

JerseyArnie
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:45:36 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

cbus cat fan wrote:

, but I am sure it would be more than a little interesting to read some of the posts regarding Coach Groce at this point last year and years before that.

Just giving each guy equal time when they deserved it. He makes $450,000 and at this point, there have been no flashes of brilliance. I hope he proves me wrong, but at this point in time Akron looks like an NCAA team, and we look like NIT. For what it is worth, I am probably a little too hard on myself also.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:54:25 PM

Hey Leon
Regarding JC, if you watched all the games that is his demeanor. When he was at KSU he carried himself the very same way. I thought that He had a right to be upset with this team. WE WERE OUTPLAYED!!

They did not play very well. Seniors were outplayed at both ends. Ivo forgot to get off of the bus; DJ played below expectation. The bigs guarding him caused him problems. Keeley was just avg. and could not make the inside shots and Marshall and the' kron freshman just outplayed him. Offett just not playing very well and way out of control, plus not making anything. We played defense for the first 16 min. and then went to sleep. If I were the Coach, I would be very dissatisfied with our perfomance!!

I did feel that the officials missed alot of travels and were protecting Akron inside. Oh well we win the next 8 and we are where we want to be, 1/2 seeds in tournament.

Panda

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:54:46 PM

I truly believe this year, that if we play our A game and Akron plays their A game, they are 2-4 points better than we are. Mainly, I credit this to their offensive balance. We have Keely underneath, they have Zeke and Treadwell. Now, our guards can get hot, and our lack of balance doesn't show. But when we're not quite on from outside, our lack of balance shows. I'm not worried. We are 6-1 in MAC play. Keep on winning, and it will come down to what we knew it would a month ago. A few games in Cleveland.

Last Edited: 2/2/2013 10:43:01 PM by Ozcat

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:55:00 PM

yep, I didn't see the coach out there missing layups...

JerseyArnie
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 8:08:55 PM

Well said

BobcatWarrior wrote:

Don't like to comment too much....too easy to criticize from the bleachers/couch. Also, I never

believe that you should be critical of individual players. It doesn't seem productive. As for criticizing the coach....I guess he is fair game. Yet, I used to roam the sideline at the high school level for a number of years....it is never easy down there.

I don't know enough about Christian's personality to know if his lack of gametime "emotion" or "fire" is his DNA or if he is still trying to find the balance with this team. While I still believe that this team is talented and at times (first 10 minutes) show shades of last year's run, they seem to me to play with an overall lack of togetherness and energy when "times get tough". I can't quite put my finger on it....but am beginning to think that Groce's fire and intensity brought the energy and leadership from the sideline last year. I'm not sure who is doing that this year. It doesn't seem to exist too well on the court.

There are lots of things I could criticize....

1. lack of offensive movement and "sharing the rock" after the first 10 minutes. It sure looked good early...one of the better stretches I've seen this year.
2. a collective lack of putting a body on a man in order to get rebounds....we seem to be "too short" to engage in a jumping contest for rebounds...only one way to fix that. Our overall lack of height and explosive height at that can only be corrected with a team commitment to rebound. On a side note....never seem to send too many to the offensive glass, but also don't do a good job getting back?
3. a lack of communication (screens...even though some seemed to be moving; a fastbreak where no one talked to get deepest man covered and it leads to a wide-open lay-up)
4. a lack of consistent defensive effort esp. on the perimeter. We have the skill and quickness out there....I'd like to see 35 seconds of it...esp. against a team who was awfully hot from outside. It also would help to prevent the easy post passes.
5. not getting much out of the post. I'd like to see more touches by Reggie...get Marshall in foul trouble/Treadwell? It wouldn't hurt the inside/out game.

I thought TJ played reall well....nice work on the offensive glass. He might be best starting right now????

One final thought (although it pains me to say). Akron played really well. They shot the ball really well, had a lot of bounces go their way (although I believe you earn your luck) and fought out of an early hole.

Let's get them in Athens and hopefully square off up in Cleveland to see who gets to go dancing!

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 2/2/2013 8:10:01 PM

It hurts to say but Akron is a better team than us. Right now and maybe for the rest of the season. DJ got outplayed and Ivo had 0 points and 0 rebounds. I dont even know how thats possible to play 22 min and have no offensive statistics. I dont see how anyone can complain about the officiating, unbelievably we had more FT attempts then them. Thats a rarirty for a visting team in the MAC. I think we will beat them at home, then it comes down to Cleveland. We will need some breaks.

Also on another topic, I'm somewhat concerned about the next game @BSU.

Last Edited: 2/2/2013 8:11:05 PM by bobcat28

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