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Topic: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

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Bobcat Love
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the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 2:27:49 PM

First, I thought long and hard about even posting this. I had every reason to keep it private until I saw WOUB was posting clips from the incident. Maybe Tim Burke or Harvey Levin would be proud, but I still have a minor twinge in my stomach about posting this.

Second, let me just recap what I saw, and then you can watch the video and decide for yourselves what to think. At around 2.30 left in the game, Cooper and Crawford get their technicals for jawing with each other and for minor shoves. In the WOUB video, you can see Crawford take the last shot at DJ as they both walk away and continue to jaw with each other. Coop heads to the huddle and Coach Wu stands just outside the huddle while Lamonta Stone stands outside the BG huddle yelling at DJ and the Refs. At some point words are exchanged and the two start to get in each other's face resulting in a double technical on the Assistants.

Here's where it gets a little queasy for me. Immediately after the Double T, Coach Stone goes over to the BG bench and takes charge of the huddle. Coach Orr is just standing to the side while Coach Stone yelling at his team in very animated fashion. Down 13 with 2 minutes left, seems a very odd time for an Assistant Coach to be going crazy in the huddle, much less leading the huddle.

After BG breaks the huddle, immediately there is a hard foul on DJ by Chauncey Orr. Couple FT's, BG Possession, and then Cooper is fouled hard again by Kraus.

I am merely speculating (only my opinion) that the BG players were told to foul DJ and foul him with some authority. Maybe nothing dirty, but I'm very glad Christian got DJ out of the game immediately following the Kraus foul, so as not to risk injury to our best player.

The game resumes and Coach Orr signals to stop fouling. However, Coach Stone is STARING daggers at Coach Wu for the last minutes of the game and kind of talking to him from across the benches. I lean over to Mrs. LOVE and tell her the postgame handshake line is going to be interesting. She tells me to get my phone ready. Prophetic.

Now, you can watch the video and take it from here. In my opinion:

Good guys: The players. The kids on both sides acted with strong maturity. Most were just concerned about telling the other team Good Game.

Good guys: Christian and Orr. Trying hard to keep tempers at bay. Could have gotten real ugly if they wouldn't have stepped in.

Bad guys: Coach Stone. Was going to have words (and maybe more) with Coach Wu no matter the cost. He had laser vision for the last 5 minutes to hunt him down.

Bad guys: One of our Managers, Grad Asst's, or somebody like that wearing black. Seems to get in the middle of the fray with no real reason, says a few words, and maybe even gets shoved.

Bad guys: Smaller BG Assistant in Suit/Tie with chinstrap beard. May have shoved our Manager, and definitely had words with some people. Not sure why he even figured in, as he was way off to the side when the commotion started.

Again, just my thoughts and opinions. I don't think there's enough there for discipline, but it was certainly a weird, weird scene after the game. I had heard some speculation on Dennis Hopson, but it didn't appear to me that he was part of the mischief. The biggest offenders for BG were definitely Stone and Chinstrap.

Ok, enjoy:

http://youtu.be/KSNgOjxNUYI

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 2:32:36 PM

I enjoy the woman barking orders. "Go! Go back to your locker room!"

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 2:57:49 PM

Wondered why Orr wasn't trying to extend the game when they were down by only three possessions with 45 seconds to go. Guess he wanted to keep it from getting any chippier.

Last Edited: 2/10/2013 3:02:17 PM by Pataskala

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 3:06:02 PM

We are recruiting Lamonta Stone Jr. A PG in the 2015 class.

Last Edited: 2/10/2013 3:06:39 PM by The Optimist

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 3:12:06 PM

Love,

I agree with your (hypothetical) assessment of that time out and the assistant yelling at the team. I told the folks I was sitting with that there would be some hard fouls coming right after that time out because I also guessed that this assistant was encouraging it.

I stated in another post that I like the fact that Stevie has been able to come in at the end of many games to keep DJ from perhaps getting injured by a hard foul. Yesterday, I think it was critical that it happened.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 3:25:01 PM

Thanks for posting and agree the players showed more class - especially if the coach was calling for hard fouls (good insight). I'd hardly classify the ending fouls as particularly hard - especially the second - so I think they dismissed the orders to a great extent.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 3:44:53 PM

I can add to the discussion I believe. The little coach(no chinstrap), the one that Orr ushered off the floor 1st in Love's video seemed to be the main culprit. I stuck around as the grandkids got their picture with Rufus on the floor. I had stayed above the lower bowl and had wandered around behind press row watching the kids on the floor. There was that same coach(could have been Stone for all I know) jawing with JC who was standing behind Russ to get on the radio. He kept whining to JC about "his" program disrespecting him. He indicated the players, coaches, ozone, band, etc. were all part of disrespecting him and their program. They must have shook hands 3 times the short bit I was there. Each time the BG coach would just begin again. Finally Russ told JC they needed him on the radio and it ended. The BG coach went on down to get on the BG radio. My guess is it will be nasty in BG! If we think we got hard fouls yesterday, the worst is yet to come. I've been to BG many times including last yr. I said I was never going back because we can't win there(at least w's are few and far between). I think I will stick to my guns and not spend the money.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 4:09:05 PM

"Back, and to the left...Back, and to the left..."

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 4:25:01 PM

Brian Smith wrote:

"Back, and to the left...Back, and to the left..."

LOL

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 4:29:05 PM

This goes on with this staff.

Remember back 2 years ago when Kraus took Tommy out at the end of the game following breaking the 3 point record. Cheap shot. looking back now I wonder if that was ordered from the bench as it was not only egregious but at the end of a game that had been decided way earlier, totally uncalled for by a lil bitch like Kraus.

In the line after ward Hopson got up in Tommy and said some things that were totally uncalled for....to which Tommy said he replied something about Hopson's career when he was playing and then said "" you a grown man bitch, you just need to STFU and get out of the face of college kids who still playing the game"

THis seems to be ongoing with this coaching staff . Not sure if Orr is behind it or just condoning it by saying nothing . Problem is the culture of going after the opposition is trickling down and becoming a real problem on the court by a team who has nothing to lose. At this point the league should take a look at a growing body of evidence and string the incedents together for what they are and at least have a talk with those coaches in Orange who seem to be behind the culture. We who have more to lose from cheap shots and a melee need to push the league for some intervention.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 5:31:45 PM

Brian Smith wrote:

"Back, and to the left...Back, and to the left..."

nice, although I like to think Zapruder would have remembered to turn his phone sideways.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 5:41:25 PM

I would be very surprised if Orr was the one ordering the Code Red. He's not that kind of guy. Does he lack the leadership to stop his assistants from doing it? That's feasible.

Lande71 wrote:

here was that same coach(could have been Stone for all I know) jawing with JC who was standing behind Russ to get on the radio. He kept whining to JC about "his" program disrespecting him. He indicated the players, coaches, ozone, band, etc. were all part of disrespecting him and their program. They must have shook hands 3 times the short bit I was there. Each time the BG coach would just begin again. Finally Russ told JC they needed him on the radio and it ended.

Someone has confidence issues.

Last Edited: 2/10/2013 5:42:04 PM by JSF

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 5:55:04 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Coincidentally or not, Kraus gave the foul on DJ at the 2:24 mark (right after the Techs were given at 2:32). Although I didn't see it as anything harder than someone trying to give a foul. Christian did the smart thing and subbed for DJ as soon as he made the free throws.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 5:58:34 PM

I went back and watched the replay and as soon as the BG asst said something Orr's son jumped in and tried to pull him away. Orr Jr then continued through, hugged a couple of our guys and then circled back to help his dad remove the trouble maker. Classy move on his part, I'm guessing he got that from his Dad. From what I can gather Orr appears to be a bad coach but not a bad person.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 6:30:54 PM

Russ tried to question Christian in the postgame about the kerfluffle but Christian downplayed it commenting that he and Orr have been friends for 25 years and that he has great respect for Orr and his program.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 8:15:37 PM

Tough ballgame in Athens for my Falcons. Great crowd. Bobcats look like they are ready to get back at Akron etc.

The rematch will be OK. Coach Stone will be fine; there will be considerable discussion and review of the situation by Coach Orr etc and I am sure that has likely been completed. Coach Stone is a competitor- think John Groce's on court demeanor :)- and he wanted to stand up for his players. That is what Stone said postgame on the radio and he also spent considerable time complimenting Coach Christian and Ohio as they have known each other for 20 years and Ohio has a fine program.

The actual video didn't show much that was new or more pointed to me. Not much happened. As DJ said- nobody likes to lose; things get said; seeding in the league is important and so on. Everybody knows Cooper and Crawford talk- they have guarded each other for four years. They talk at points in every game I have ever seen them play. Both are good players and, though I don't know DJ, I can tell you Crawford is a good kid and a good student. I assume DJ is too certainly.

As far as Stone ordering hard fouls with the possible intent to injure, the fouls committed didn't measure up to that level and none of us know what was said in the huddle. None of us. Stone was upset and animated. I do agree that Chauncey Orr is literally a coach on the court- and off the court. He is a winner in every sense of the word and a leader. So he is a guy who literally will help take charge in a situation like that in a huddle. Coach Orr- as others have said is a fine man; I can't explain what he was doing at that moment- will examine the situation and work to prevent this type of behavior overall and especially from asst coaches. We don't stand for that at BG. We are not about that.

I note a poster says we have problems w this type of behavior in the past. I cannot think of another truly serious scenario involving our coaches/players/fighting/ejections in recent years. I see many of the games live. Kraus hard nosed kid who is a defender? Yep. Chippiness? Shoving? Talking? Yep- I see that from every team in the league.

Lastly, I don't know Coach Wu, but I assume something had to be coming from that bench too. Am I wrong? Why would Stone- a ten year BG asst who knows Christian well- behave like that? I am NOT condoning or excusing the actions in the last three minutes of the game and postgame. We can't have it. I am just saying what happened would seem unlikely to be a 100% Coach Stone situation: I have watched him in almost a couple hundred games. I, of course, don't know that for sure. Maybe he was just mad because we were losing. But we have lost a couple of other hard fought games this year without that reaction. Maybe he just picked Coach Wu out as the guy he would stare at and bump hard in the line for no reason.

Good luck the rest of the way.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 9:16:42 PM

I kind of like it.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 10:26:37 PM

The incident that started it all was the shove against DJ well after the whistle by Jordan Crawford. It was a cheap shot and should have received a technical foul. That happened a few feet away from me. The chippiness started on the walk to the foul line after the official missed the late shove.

I thought BG played a good, clean game until that point. If an asst coach told his players to go after DJ for cheap fouls when the game was already decided, I would label that as dirty. I walked past the BG locker room as I left the court and Coach Stone was getting a stern talking too from Orr in the hallway just outside the door. I walked past quickly enough to not catch any of the conversation, but you could tell the tone.

I had no intention of making the nearly four hour drive from my house to BG for the return game, but now I am likely to go. I want to witness the rematch live.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/10/2013 11:36:59 PM

bobcat695 wrote:

This^

I was at the game and was screaming about the extra shove way after the whistle -- CLEARLY deserving of a technical. I did not think the ensuing fouls on DJ were especially hard or dirty. Love's video shows the BG coach was the problem in the line, the BG player behind him is the first to grab him after hearing whatever it is he's saying (Love, can't the wife carry one of those little umbrella-like super mics in her bag?).

I turned to my son and said that DJ had gotten into a number of heads again, he is the master.

This game also makes me want to be in BG on March 2nd.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/11/2013 8:08:02 AM

From where I was sitting, I didn't think any of the fouls appeared dirty or excessive late in the game. I definitely missed the shove by Bilbo Bag...Jordan Crawford on Coop. I did, however, see Coop bluff throwing the ball at Krauss' face as they were walking to the benches, I think that was in the 1st half.

On a side note to "chippyness" I'd like to thank a fellow Bobcat fan for shouting "Go home!" at me as I left the Convo. Yes, I had a mental lapse and wore an orange jacket to the BG game. I also had an OU shirt on and was carrying my new Green Fever shirt. I did go home...a whole 2 miles from the Convo...as a happy Bobcat fan. Thanks for your concern!

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/11/2013 9:04:44 AM

100%Cat wrote:

Yes, it was the 1st half when DJ, faked throwing the ball at the kids face. That was a real act of class.

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video) (NT)

Posted: 2/11/2013 12:53:39 PM

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/11/2013 3:45:41 PM

Coach Orr did a good job defusing the situation. Looked like he was prepared for a potential problem and jumped right in with his son to take care of it. The Orr family stepped up

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RE: the LOVE on the post-game handshakes (Video)

Posted: 2/17/2013 1:21:23 PM

Orr a class act all around.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2013/02/16/2-Bowling-Gr...

Last Edited: 2/17/2013 1:22:07 PM by Boise Bobcat

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