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It begs the question why? if this is the case. Assists can be quite subjective, IMO, although they shouldn't be, which leads me to wonder if an official scorer might be less inclined to award an assist to a visiting player.      Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,723 Status: Offline     RE: Official scorer critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 1:47:53 PM  bobcatsquared wrote:     Someone with more time and energy than myself can research the following, but it seems that DJ has higher assist numbers in games played at home than away. It begs the question why? if this is the case. Assists can be quite subjective, IMO, although they shouldn't be, which leads me to wonder if an official scorer might be less inclined to award an assist to a visiting player.      It's really tough to say. By my count, DJ has 65 assists on the road (6.5 average) and 127 (8.5 average) at home. But he's played some games against lesser competition at home where he racked up some big numbers. He had 17 against Marshall and 14 each vs.  UNC-Wilmington and MD-Eastern Shore.  If the competition played were the same home vs. road, you would expect DJ to have more assists at home as Ohio shoots better there. By my count, Ohio shoots 253-563 (45%) on the road and 666-1387 at home (50%). On average, Ohio makes 27.5 shots per game at home 25.3 on the road. DG typically assists on 29% of all Ohio baskets so he would average about .65 assists more at home. But again that assumes that the competition is apples-to-apples and it is not. Ohio played its toughest opponents on the road. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top Gov-Club General User Member Since: 11/16/2007 Location: Conway, SC Post Count: 17 Status: Offline     RE: Official scorer critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 3:37:07 PM  Assists are the the most subjective stat.  For an assist to be counted the scoring player must make an immediate move to the basket. If he holds it for a second or makes a fake it is NOT an assist.  A player can get a rebound and make the outlet pass. If that player makes any kind of fake on his way to the breakaway lay up it is not an assist. Home stat crews "cook" the stats all the time. I was on the official stat crew when Kareem broke the scoring record (in Vegas by the way). Magic came up to us before the game and told us if he was on the court when Kareem broke the record he wanted the assist. Kareem got the pass on the baseline. He held the ball for a second or two and faked a baseline drive on Mark Eaton. Then he scored on a skyhook from the baseline. We gave Magic the assist.  Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,949 Status: Offline     RE: Official scorer critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 4:28:51 PM  Now Squared: I do remember you (and SBH) both critiquing scoring totals at Grover.  I personally didn't score enough to lose count. Last Edited: 2/20/2013 4:29:52 PM by cc-cat Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Official scorer critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 6:28:01 PM  Doing official scoring is hard work. They're saddled with antiquated software and an ever-quickening game. Usually, they're trying so hard just to keep up they don't even know what the score or time is. In college, most scorers are grad students or assistants of some time. They probably don't have time enough to think about favoring their team. Could they do it subconsciously? Sure. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: Official scorer critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 6:37:25 PM  It certainly is tough in basketball especially. Mistakes are made. A couple of them had to be corrected last week. They actually took an assist away from D.J. last week. You may have heard on the broadcast that he had eight, but it ended up seven. Also, an error was discovered where one of Kent State's players was listed as assisting himself, so that was corrected. I've keep my own stats and play-by-play for high school games, so I knew first-hand how hard it can be. Certainly assists can be ruled differently, but most teams play better at home, so I'm sure D.J.'s assist totals are higher at home anyway. Back to Top BobcatJH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 81 Status: Offline     RE: Official scorer critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 9:05:31 PM  JSF is right. It's tough, and it's pretty much just two people (the caller and the person keying). I was the caller (and the keyer at times) for the better part of six-plus years for the men's team, starting when I was a freshman in '97. I loved every minute of that job. It IS possible to miss something, but even when it's hectic, it's not as hard as you'd imagine to stay afloat. There are definitely judgment calls in a few situations, especially assists and rebounds. With regard to the latter, I'm STILL waiting for my check from Brandon Hunter. The job is fun and relatively easy to do if you stay abreast of the rules and keep a calm head. It should be noted that even coaches don't know every nuance of the rulebook. A former head coach here will likely go to his great reward still believing that a player should get an assist if they pass it to another player who gets fouled on the shot yet misses.  Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,419 Status: Offline     RE: Official scorer critique    Posted: 2/21/2013 1:58:54 PM  cc cat wrote: Now Squared: I do remember you (and SBH) both critiquing scoring totals at Grover.  I personally didn't score enough to lose count.     I said way back then and I still contend that SBH's next assist in basketball will be his first. And I have confirmation of such from his high school coach. 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