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The only time I'll get upset with the refs is when they are out of position.      Having said that, I would like to know what Ohio fans thought of the possible missed call in overtime when the KSU guard dribbled out toward midcourt and appeared to step on the midcourt line. The ref was not in position to determine whether or not the KSU player stepped on the line or not. In fact, he made an effort to get into position after the fact, too late to see if it was in fact a backcourt violation. The ESPNU announcers thought it was a violation that was not called.     Luckily, the KSU player hit 1 of 2 free throws later in that possesion and again in a later possession. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 4:36:15 PM  bobcatsquared wrote:     I've never been one to bash the refs on Bobcatattack after an Ohio loss. Refs are humans and therefore will miss calls. The only time I'll get upset with the refs is when they are out of position.      Having said that, I would like to know what Ohio fans thought of the possible missed call in overtime when the KSU guard dribbled out toward midcourt and appeared to step on the midcourt line. The ref was not in position to determine whether or not the KSU player stepped on the line or not. In fact, he made an effort to get into position after the fact, too late to see if it was in fact a backcourt violation. The ESPNU announcers thought it was a violation that was not called.     Luckily, the KSU player hit 1 of 2 free throws later in that possesion and again in a later possession. It was the play that D.J. fouled out on.  Watching the replay the ref was in position but just missed the call. Hard to say whether there was glare on the court or not or if the fact that the line being so close in color to the logo made him miss it.  Speaking of pet peeves,  I have a problem with the Ozone (or band or whoever was doing it)  starting the count down early when the shot clock is running down in an attempt to fool the opponent.  I know what they are trying to do but I think it works exactly the opposite.  You could see Kent's players on Saturday immediately look up and check the shot clock.  I think they hit the shot every single time we did it.   If you are going to do it I suggest starting the count down at five instead of ten so the opponent doesn't have as much time to check the clock.  The other thing is to mix it up, one time count down early the next late. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,293 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 4:37:07 PM  If only Victor Russell, past president of the Crazy Kats (forerunner to Ozone), had been there to heckle the ref, who did indeed miss the call because he was out of position.  But we got our fair share of bad calls too. Back to Top Shawn Sellers General User Member Since: 1/4/2005 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 221 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 4:40:07 PM  bobcatsquared wrote:     I've never been one to bash the refs on Bobcatattack after an Ohio loss. Refs are humans and therefore will miss calls. The only time I'll get upset with the refs is when they are out of position.      Having said that, I would like to know what Ohio fans thought of the possible missed call in overtime when the KSU guard dribbled out toward midcourt and appeared to step on the midcourt line. The ref was not in position to determine whether or not the KSU player stepped on the line or not. In fact, he made an effort to get into position after the fact, too late to see if it was in fact a backcourt violation. The ESPNU announcers thought it was a violation that was not called.     Luckily, the KSU player hit 1 of 2 free throws later in that possesion and again in a later possession. Clearly he stepped over the line. But the official was hardly out of place to make the call. It's not like a soccer offsides, where you have to see the players position in relation to the another player or his body in relation to that line. My take on it was that a backcourt violation wasn't what the official was paying attention to at that moment. You could hardly blame him. Only a bonehead would step over that line with no pressure on him. Once he realized he may have missed it, he made a move toward the line, which was hardly necessary for the call. Either you step over the line or you don't. He did. The ref missed it. Back to Top KyleWvr13 General User Member Since: 11/9/2010 Location: Pottstown, PA Post Count: 501 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 5:25:51 PM  OUVan wrote: Speaking of pet peeves,  I have a problem with the Ozone (or band or whoever was doing it)  starting the count down early when the shot clock is running down in an attempt to fool the opponent.  I know what they are trying to do but I think it works exactly the opposite.  You could see Kent's players on Saturday immediately look up and check the shot clock.  I think they hit the shot every single time we did it.   If you are going to do it I suggest starting the count down at five instead of ten so the opponent doesn't have as much time to check the clock.  The other thing is to mix it up, one time count down early the next late. I'll admit it, I have been known to do that....  I'm certainly not the only one whose doing it, but I am one of the culprits. I'll be sure to quiet things down and inform others that try to. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 6:02:42 PM  I was SO MAD. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,949 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 6:13:03 PM  bobcatsquared wrote:     I've never been one to bash the refs on Bobcatattack after an Ohio loss. Refs are humans and therefore will miss calls. I never heard you tell that to the refs at Grover! Back to Top Bobcat Swag General User Member Since: 1/9/2011 Post Count: 153 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 9:55:25 PM  If the most glaring error from that game was a missed backcourt-violation, I would say the refs did a phenomenal job. No tic-tac foul calls on the final possessions and only one star fouled out, (Cooper). That's what you look for in a well-officiated game. Reffing basketball is tough, and it takes a strong gut to do it correctly in a charged environment. That crew deserves kudos from the MAC for Saturday's game. "Good leaders being scarce, following yourself is allowed." Back to Top Mike Coleman Administrator Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Near the Pristine Sandy Shores of Lake Erie, OH Post Count: 1,645 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 10:14:02 PM  He was looking, but apparently didn't see it, which happens. If he wasn't looking, that's when it's time to get furious. Back to Top bobcat695 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 1,345 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 10:36:17 PM  He was out of position. The referee is named Terry Wymer and he was lower than my seat, which is clearly out of position in a basic three man crew when the ball is that high. I often remind officials that they are out of position when they miss a call like that. I really think they are impartial, but many make mistakes for that reason. Wymer has never been at the top of my list of good officials, even if he does remind me of the bad guy from Dumb and Dumber. "You can't un-fist a fist pump." - Saul Phillips 1/24/15 Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,736 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 10:56:10 PM  KyleWvr13 wrote: OUVan wrote: Speaking of pet peeves,  I have a problem with the Ozone (or band or whoever was doing it)  starting the count down early when the shot clock is running down in an attempt to fool the opponent.  I know what they are trying to do but I think it works exactly the opposite.  You could see Kent's players on Saturday immediately look up and check the shot clock.  I think they hit the shot every single time we did it.   If you are going to do it I suggest starting the count down at five instead of ten so the opponent doesn't have as much time to check the clock.  The other thing is to mix it up, one time count down early the next late. I'll admit it, I have been known to do that....  I'm certainly not the only one whose doing it, but I am one of the culprits. I'll be sure to quiet things down and inform others that try to. You are correct.  On three Kent possessions, Ozoners and/or 110ers began counting down the seconds, and on all three occasions Kent players successfully shot.  After the first such occasion, I thought the students would cease.  When they didn't , I wasn't sure whether to ascribe their ""thoughtfulness" to stupidity or a misplaced desire to be cute.  http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/19/2013 11:03:52 PM  I hate the fake countdown. Just keep making noise! They're more likely not to notice if you don't change. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Bobcat Swag General User Member Since: 1/9/2011 Post Count: 153 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 12:29:58 AM  bobcat695 wrote: He was out of position. The referee is named Terry Wymer and he was lower than my seat, which is clearly out of position in a basic three man crew when the ball is that high. I often remind officials that they are out of position when they miss a call like that. I really think they are impartial, but many make mistakes for that reason. Wymer has never been at the top of my list of good officials, even if he does remind me of the bad guy from Dumb and Dumber. Was he Center or Trail at the time? Was he in mid-rotation? Would a position at half-court put him in a bad position to call a contact foul? Since doing the due diligence of dragging the ref's name into here I must assume you to be of a proper authority in that department. "Good leaders being scarce, following yourself is allowed." Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 11:43:17 AM  bobcat695 wrote: He was out of position. The referee is named Terry Wymer and he was lower than my seat, which is clearly out of position in a basic three man crew when the ball is that high. I often remind officials that they are out of position when they miss a call like that. I really think they are impartial, but many make mistakes for that reason. Wymer has never been at the top of my list of good officials, even if he does remind me of the bad guy from Dumb and Dumber. I went back and watched the replay last night and I don't think he was out of position. I think he just missed it.  The ballhandler (I think it was Brewer) had been towards midcourt and then tried to penetrate but was denied. He then cut back to the center and Ivo cut him off and slid sideways forcing him towards mid-court. The ref had been near mid-court but slid down when Brewer tried to drive.  He then slid back up as the play changed.   I remember when watching it live thinking that the ref got there late but the replays didn't show that at all.  I just think he was focusing on something else (Ivo body contact or possible carry) and just missed it. Back to Top bobcat695 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 1,345 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 12:33:22 PM  Bobcat Swag wrote: bobcat695 wrote: He was out of position. The referee is named Terry Wymer and he was lower than my seat, which is clearly out of position in a basic three man crew when the ball is that high. I often remind officials that they are out of position when they miss a call like that. I really think they are impartial, but many make mistakes for that reason. Wymer has never been at the top of my list of good officials, even if he does remind me of the bad guy from Dumb and Dumber. Was he Center or Trail at the time? Was he in mid-rotation? Would a position at half-court put him in a bad position to call a contact foul? Since doing the due diligence of dragging the ref's name into here I must assume you to be of a proper authority in that department. He was the trail and not in mid-rotation.  He could have seen a contact foul easily if he had moved towards center court, and was simply a step or two too low to see the violation.  If you watch the replay, he knows he was out of position because he reacted late.  Ohio still won the game, but that could have been an egregious error.  I have officiated hundreds of games as a sanctioned official by the OHSAA, although I stopped doing it a few years ago when I didn't want to spend every evening away from my family.  I didn't call out the guy for being a bad referee, just missing a call because he was out of position.  I watch the game differently than most people because of the time I've spent in that role.  "You can't un-fist a fist pump." - Saul Phillips 1/24/15 Back to Top emoney General User Member Since: 3/9/2012 Post Count: 53 Status: Offline     RE: Ref critique    Posted: 2/20/2013 3:32:28 PM  I have officiated many basketball games myself, and I will say that the official was not in great position, but in position enough to make the call. My main problem I have is with many basketball courts, is that the amount of writing/color that is thrown in at midcourts is overwhelming. With these clashing colors it makes it extra difficult for an official to determine where one is stepping. I know that the court at the convo is distinct enough to tell the difference, but it isn't exactly the easiest thing to decipher through , especially when you are not focuses right on the court floor. Wymer is typically one of the better officials in college too, so it could have been that he just missed it. Which as an official I can just say, it happens. 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