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Topic: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Topic: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

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OhioCatFan
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How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 12:31:35 PM

Just asking . . . seems we couldn't hit a battleship with a rock on Saturday. Is this something a coach has control of when most of the shots are clear looks at the basket that just come up short, off the iron, etc.?

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 12:42:28 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Without a doubt it's the coaches fault when the player misses a wide open shot! Did you take stupid pills today?

Bobcat1998
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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 12:43:02 PM

The answer is "there is no way to coach missing 3's" but another question might be: Isn't it the job of a coach to see that we're shooting horribly from 3 and adjust our offense? Get Walt opened up on the baseline? Plant Ivo's 6-9 behind under the basket? Get the ball to Reg? Play Rico more!? Answer me those and then you can talk about 3's

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 12:44:29 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Without a doubt it's the coaches fault when the player misses a wide open shot! Did you take stupid pills today?

As usual you haven't the foggiest idea what we are talking about. Just go crawl back in your cave and we'll all be happier for it.

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 12:52:40 PM

I don't know if I adjust the offense mid-game because we are missing open jumpers. The 3-ball with this very roster won our games against Michigan and South Florida while also bringing us back against North Carolina. Shooters keep shooting.

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 2:00:10 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

This.

The way to coach not missing open 3's is not to RELY on the 3s to begin with. Make adjustments. We CAN take the ball to the hoop. It's just that adjustments aren't made to enable that.

This most likely is also the reason why we suck at offensive rebounding... because nobody is under the basket when we shoot. We are all on the perimeter looking for an open 3 or 20ft jumper.

Last Edited: 2/25/2013 2:02:12 PM by Chuck_IV

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 2:05:53 PM

Nobody is telling people to not take it to the hoop. Players get the ball and then make decisions. Walt got the ball in the left corner in the second half and chose to pass up the open 3 and took the drive to the basket. The coach had nothing to do with it. If he makes the 3 is JC a better coach? If the open shot is missed, is JC a bad coach? Walt made a decision and it worked. That's what happens in basketball. When shots were being made and OU is #1 in the nation in assists, where was all the criticism of the offense and JC's system? When Smith misses a power move from 2 feet, is that the system's fault?

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 2:37:09 PM

I think it's just attributable to Christian. I think some posters on this board think we never missed an open 3 under Groce.

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 2:40:59 PM

Looked to me like the 3's we shot were consistently at least somewhat defended (so, not wide open) whereas Belmont shot a lot of wide open 3's.

Not ball movement and not spacing vs. ball movement and spacing.

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 2:49:39 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

I think it's just attributable to Christian. I think some posters on this board think we never missed an open 3 under Groce.

Hey, you make my point! (For BTC, there was sarcasm in my original question.)

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 3:05:55 PM

It is a confidence problem, IE the coach. We shot pretty well against Maryland Eastern Shore.

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 3:28:22 PM

We shot really well against Richmond, a decent A-10 team. We shot really badly against Winthrop.

It's not a secret that we struggle when we don't shoot well from long-range against good teams.

I understand the point of not being so reliant one phase of the game and the coach being responsible.

But I was going to mention this point about the Belmont game...we had about 4 or 5 great looks in the first 6 minutes of the game both from 3 and down low (I am thinking about a missed lay-up in traffic by Jon Smith). If some of those shots go down, it's a whole different game.

I know that's all if's and but's, but we had a some really good, open looks early in that game.

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 11:18:05 PM

LongDistancebobcat wrote:

You saying this old fart is full of shat?

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/25/2013 11:19:30 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

BobcatSports wrote:

I think it's just attributable to Christian. I think some posters on this board think we never missed an open 3 under Groce.

Hey, you make my point! (For BTC, there was sarcasm in my original question.)

And there was an equal amount of sarcasm in my original post. At your advanced age you need to turn the dial on your whisper 2000

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/26/2013 1:48:14 AM

I just figured out how to coach not missing 3s. Here's how you do it:

"When you shoot 3s, make them. Don't miss them."

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/26/2013 9:08:38 AM

Simple.

1) do your work in practice, get in the gym and break down and refine the mechanics, chart your shots everyday... rework the mechanic if you fall below a threshold. FOr most "makers" they will make 80% or better and rarely miss 2 in a row.

I should say there are a lot of things you need to do . Don't look at or crowd the line, Shoot a variety , moving left moving right. recieve a pass form the left , pass from the right , ball fake and shoot, ball fake step right shoot, ball fake step left shoot and ALWAYs take every shot at game speed and shoot every shot with intention as if it was a game winner. If you watch guys in warm ups just chucking stuff up and laughing and similar stuff on the proactice floor or free shoot arounds you will quickly be able to tell the shooters from the makers. If you are not taking your shots like you will be doing in the game then you are not effectively refining your skills. 10 000 shots without intention is not as effective as 1500 with precise attention to detail and execution. I have taken players out to the Y on the morning of a game intending to get a couple hundred shots up in the morning and looked at 50 shots and said "let me buy you breakfast, you are totally dialed in", making them do any more would not have helped. execution and intent were fantabulous.

2) Take shots within t he system. Forcing a shot against a team that defends the 3ball like we did last year makes Makers look inadequate.

3) DO work early. Tempo is a a great part of Groces philosophy and takes pressure off shooters. Taking a great shot when it is available rather than jacking a three at the end of a shot clock gives makers a lot better chance at getting a good look and having the confidence to take it.

4) Remove feear. A maker becomes a shooter when he is afraid to take a shot. If he has done his work in the gym and feels good about taking the shot.but has the chain jerked immediately after a miss then fear creeps in. Makers are hard enough on themselves, they do not need fear for motivation. Assuming they have a shooting conscience and you believe in them a bit of good vibes goes a long way.

5) Get back in the gym. If your maker becomes a shooter for a game get him tape and get back inthe gym. Look at each make and miss and break down the mechanincs first, the quality of the look, what the defense was giving and the decision process in taking the shot withing the context of the offense.

Just because a 3 ball looks open to you does not make it an easy shot. I think a wide open shot is harder to shoot than one that is in the rythym of the play. Think of how may times you have seen a player wide open, no one near miss a shot vs how many times you see a player with a man closing out put a little more archon the ball and finish with good mechanics because he has a player flying at him while the ball nicely finds the bottom of the net. A little bit of ball pressure sharpens mechanics where a wide open shot with all the time in the world encourages slowing down the shot and intoducing bad form.

How do you coach not missing open 3's? Good practice habits and regimens. Take good shots in practice within the offense. Commend them for makes and examine misses to improve. Instill confidence daily.
It does not just happen at game time. ( and that is totally avoiding the whole concept of the 5 pm shooter)

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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/26/2013 10:01:19 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

And there was an equal amount of sarcasm in my original post. At your advanced age you need to turn the dial on your whisper 2000

I believe that would be ex post facto sarcasm in your case. And, you are no spring chicken yourself, so I wouldn't be so ageist if I were you!

OhioCatFan
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RE: How do you coach not missing open 3s?

Posted: 2/26/2013 10:12:53 AM

Even though I was being sarcastic in my original post trying to subtly make fun of those who thought JC was responsible for a bad shooting night, you do make excellent points in your post about how a coach can over the long haul contribute to shooting percentage on outside shots. The one point you make, though, that while generally true was not the case against Belmont, was the inadvisability of jacking up 3s at the end of the shot clock rather than in rhythm. I can't count the number of times Belmont did just that and the darn shot swished through. One that I remember that was particularly gut wrenching for an Ohio fan was a case where the guy in position to shoot was well covered by the defender and the Belmont guy heavies the ball backward in an off-balanced way to a teammate who cans a three from DJ-range. We defended well for 34.5 seconds of the clock and then this out of arse shot is a make. I almost threw something at the TV set. In animate objects are not safe around me when things are going bad for Ohio.

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