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Wilson Hall Record Holder
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Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/23/2013 11:46:50 PM

I said it before --- he's a dime a dozen coach who has less basketball innovative ability in his whole arm than Groce has in his pinky finger.

How do you conclude that you should come in make these guys play your system in their last year on campus??

This is entire offense is a joke the way he has them playing inside out.

Is Coach Groce so beyond your acumen that you can't even watch film and learn how to implement the offense for just one season?

Or perhaps your coaching ego has indeed told you it makes perfect sense to take away what they have done (AND WON WITH!!!!) for 3 seasons and have them learn on the fly.

This WASN'T a rebuilding year. That was next year. THAT is when you should have established your program.

Thanks for the buzzkill and for the knowledge that beating any big major program again is far from realistic now.

Ok i'm done....for now at least

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:02:25 AM

For whatever reason, we aren't rotating on defense like we did under Groce. Whether that is the players or the coach, we'll find out over the next few years.

At this point, I'd have to agree with you. The guy has done nothing of note with a Sweet Sixteen team with all significant players returning.

Rooting for Akron is like cheering on the Taliban.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:05:15 AM

Sweet sixteen, but not top sixteen

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:07:34 AM

Wilson Hall Record Holder wrote:

Could not have said it better myself.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:32:00 AM

Can we take a mulligan on the JC hire and go back and get Jeff Boals? Or maybe Dustin Ford? Gulp. I wonder how we'd be doing with one of them.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:36:32 AM

With Boals we'd be worse. Inexperience would have lost us both Kent games and another couple of close MAC games like Western. With Dustin, we would have won Bobby Morris, won at Belmont, beaten either Oklahoma or Memphis and probably lost a couple more MAC games (still would have lost to Akron, would have dropped a Kent game and fallen at Western). I think Dustin would have put his ego aside and concentrated his focus on this year's seniors and this year's team. JC seems to be letting the inmates run the asylum while waiting to coach "his" players next year. Starting lineup next year: Bean, Setty, Ndour, Wingfield and T.J.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:38:56 AM

So as far as this thread is concerned, Christian has pushed his system on the seniors and he has allowed them to run the asylum while he waits for his players,

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:42:14 AM

Jughead wrote:

IMO, the defensive breakdowns all start with the big man hedging way up top on screens. It forces whoever's playing 2 or 3 to step underneath and guard two guys– both the one underneath and on the perimeter. We've been burned time and again in that situation this year.

Honestly, I'm a little skeptical heading into Wednesday's game. This time last year, sure our record was similar but we had thoroughly proven we were for real (Louisville, Northern Iowa, etc.). Even in our loss at Akron last year we played well, we just fell victim to a game in which 50+ fouls were called. This year, however, Akron just flat-out outplayed us. That's the first time with this group of guys that that's happened against them. Everyone seems to be assuming that we'll win handily at home, but I'm not so sure. Hope I'm wrong and that this group can rise up to the occasion, because they've sure as hell got it in em.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:44:38 AM

How can you say Boals is inexperienced, yet say that Dustin is experienced? They are both assistant coaches. Neither has been a D1 head coach, so I would say they are even in terms of accomplishment. Actually, since Boals is older, wouldn't he be more experienced than Dustin?

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:50:25 AM

bobcat695 wrote:

I think I didn't clarify the "inexperienced" part. I think the key to comparing Dustin and Boals is that I feel that Boals would have gone more "Christian" on us and tried to force his own style while letting the seniors just freelance. I think Dustin would have gone "Groce" on us and kept that system in place at least for a year with this group.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 1:03:10 AM

[QUOTE=Wilson Hall Record Holder]I said it before --- he's a dime a dozen coach who has less basketball innovative ability in his whole arm than Groce has in his pinky finger.
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And we don't have the millions of $$$$$ a year to pay a Groce.

So lets see where we end up, who he recruites and where we are next year. Before we buy the new rope and look for a tall tree near the Convo.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 1:10:04 AM

We're 11-1 in the MAC right now. John Groce never finished better than 11-5 in the conference. Lets take a step back from the ledge.

Wilson Hall Record Holder
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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 1:14:54 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

We're 11-1 in the MAC right now. John Groce never finished better than 11-5 in the conference. Lets take a step back from the ledge.

Exactly how many teams did Groce coach at Ohio that had virtually every single player back?

Plus we'd have Caris Levert right now.

Don't try to give Christian credit for thriving in a crappy MAC conference

If you yourself knows even a little about how to coach then this team would be a .500 team under your guidance.

What is the signature performance by this team so far this year?

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 1:17:53 AM

im still waiting for JC to win a game he shouldnt.

memphis - no
OKLA - no
belmont - no
UMASS - no
Akron - no

Wilson Hall Record Holder
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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 1:30:09 AM

BlockedPunt wrote:

im still waiting for JC to win a game he shouldnt.

memphis - no
OKLA - no
belmont - no
UMASS - no
Akron - no

Exactly!!!

That's why i hope his stay here is a short one.

He doesn't have what it takes to outmaneuver the big time schools when those schools hold advantage in talent.

That's why there will be no more advancing in the big dance should we get there.

I'll take finishing 2nd or 3rd in the MAC if it includes getting past the 1st round of the national tourney.

Last Edited: 2/24/2013 3:33:39 AM by Wilson Hall Record Holder

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 2:29:30 AM

Good thing we don't have to worry about Bracketbusters having us play during prime weekend drinking hours again, good grief.

My advice: Find a comfortable place to sleep and grab some aspirin and a Gatorade for the morning. Hopefully by then it will become apparent that our recent coaching hire isn't all that bad. At least we didn't pluck a guy from some obscure scrub school in Tennessee or whatever Fiami did. Akron. Wednesday. Game on.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 4:52:31 AM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

My be stupid post of the night!!!!!

Some of you may as well wear Red OHIO shirts because that's what you are acting like.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 6:07:00 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

We're 11-1 in the MAC right now. John Groce never finished better than 11-5 in the conference. Lets take a step back from the ledge.

Too early to get crazy re JC. But the lack of performance in our few tough games is noticeable.

oophead--Really? A good argument could be made that being worse than 11-1 in this very weak MAC year would be alarming.

Beside 'kron, haven't kents and WMU been our toughest MAC games? Losses in any of those three would have been disappointing. Yeah, that kent game last week was thrilling. But we should have won it regulation by 4-8 points.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 8:09:53 AM

I think he can coach but he's lost control and respect of this team on and off the court.

These twitter wars with opposing players NEVER would have happened on Groce's watch.

Last Edited: 2/24/2013 8:11:51 AM by bobcat28

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 10:17:34 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

We're 11-1 in the MAC right now. John Groce never finished better than 11-5 in the conference. Lets take a step back from the ledge.

This isn't even the worst the MAC has been since Groce started. People are overplaying the MAC being weak angle. Remember when Groce lost to bad EMU and Toledo teams, and a crappy BG team? Apparently not.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 10:34:05 AM

As time goes on we are seeing a coach that is more concerned about conference wins than OOC. This fact is why he was not successful at his other coaching stops in the OOC games and more importantly tournament games. When he was introduced by our AD all that was said was "JC has the best conference winning %". This sums up this coach.
How many games have we won against teams with a winning record this year, 2 3?
This hire will not raise our play to become a consistent tournament team.
I have maintained these thoughts since his hire and we continue to have people think that having a 20 game winner each year is sufficient. Well it's not for me. I expect more SHOULDN'T WE ALL?

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 11:18:24 AM

I don't want to take away from the larger point that you were making, but I do want to quickly disagree with your statement that next year is a rebuilding year. There is no reason we shouldn't compete with the top of the MAC next year.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 11:40:46 AM

Some of you guys are completely delusional.

B.S. Journalism, 2012.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 11:47:34 AM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

How many games have we won against teams with a winning record this year, 2 3?
This hire will not raise our play to become a consistent tournament team.
I have maintained these thoughts since his hire and we continue to have people think that having a 20 game winner each year is sufficient. Well it's not for me. I expect more SHOULDN'T WE ALL?

After watching the game from behind the bench last night.... I have lots of things running through my head about the coach and the staff as a whole.
I had coaches in high school who got more angry at things we did or didn't do than JC did last night. Honestly, he sat facing us at TOs so I could see his facial expressions. He was never MAD. He never got EXCITED. if your coach doesn't get mad or excited, how does a player? Well, I know when I played, getting my butt kicked was inspiration to KEEP TRYING.
Has the team no respect for JC as a whole? Many of them would come by the sideline at coach and just shake a head and be like "I don't know..."
Who makes up the coaching staff? Are they listed somewhere? I was trying to figure out who one of the gentlemen was last night.
I ask again what I did on another post... does the staff do anything but pull out the TO chairs?
I still love the team, but this season, after the run last year, has been hard to understand at times. We've only been able to go to two games, both here in TN. And both I walked away asking, what happened?
Coach isn't inspiring. Players aren't playing inspired. There is a HUGE fire missing from the team we watched twice in Athens and twice in Nashville last year, compared to this year, yet it's the same exact faces, minus a coach. The team played like its hair was on fire last year. Not so much in the games I've personally been to, nor the ones on TV.

This all said, and more in my jumbled thoughts not put here, Belmont has a pretty good coach, or at least he inspires his players. Memphis coach was inspirational. JC is the guy on the street thrown on a sideline.

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RE: Christian can't coach

Posted: 2/24/2013 12:36:55 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

That does not fit the narrative.

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