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Topic: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Topic: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

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Bball Jones
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We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 9:46:43 AM

I know we all want to concentrate on making the big dance, but the reality is, if we don't win the tourney, it's not happening. According to a couple of projections I've read, we are a bubble team for the NIT along with WMU. I was hoping we had locked up an at large bid to the NIT, but that's not the case. Could we really be destine for the CIT or CBI? see: http://www.bankrollsports.com/blog/nit-bracketology/>

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 9:55:49 AM

Bball Jones wrote:

I know we all want to concentrate on making the big dance

You say it yourself in your very first sentence. If we don't make the NCAA Tournament, I'll be happy to see our season continue, but I don't really care which of 3 tournaments nobody cares about we make it into.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 10:04:07 AM

There's zero value in being in the NIT. It's just a somewhat visible reminder to recruits that you didn't quality for The Dance. It's almost embarrassing.

Bball Jones
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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 10:14:29 AM

I could not disagree with you more! As a mid major, the NIT would be the next best thing to the "Dance." There is a lot of value with extending the season. What about additional games for our seniors? What about the extra work for our returning players? No value in trying to play in MSG? Come on, I don't think we can afford to me tournament snobs as a mid major program from the MAC. I want as much basketball as I can get, and if it's the NIT, CIT or the CBI I will enjoy it!!

Eagle66
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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 11:14:58 AM

Ive always liked the bracket project's web site (LINK). For the NCAA tournament, they have 96 bracket projections that they average. The matrix is interesting to look at.

They have an NIT projection page (LINK) as well. They currently have Ohio as a 4 Seed in the Ole Miss bracket hosting Charlotte in the first round.

The also rank to bracket projections (LINK) based on past performance. For reference, they rank The Washington Post - Eric Prisbell as the best, with ESPN / Lunardi coming in at #36

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 11:28:30 AM

SBH wrote:

There's zero value in being in the NIT. It's just a somewhat visible reminder to recruits that you didn't quality for The Dance. It's almost embarrassing.

What about going to the Potato Bowl or Independence Bowl? Is that embarrassing?

The second best team in the MAC usually goes to the NIT. That's more or as prestigious as any Bowl game we've been to in the Frank Solich era. Hardly an embarrassment.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 11:41:07 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

SBH wrote:

There's zero value in being in the NIT. It's just a somewhat visible reminder to recruits that you didn't quality for The Dance. It's almost embarrassing.

I said it's almost embarrassing - as in, something you almost don't want your friends to know. And, yes, the Potato Bowl and Independence Bowl fall into the same category. Win a league championship and go to a bowl? I'd be all over that.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 11:48:14 AM

I wanna dance I wanna dance I wanna dance.

You guys wouldn't believe how proud I was last year watchin my Cats dispatch Meechegone on that Friday night in March. Us boyz were in a 3 story luxury cabin in Gatlinburg celebrating my youngest sons upcoming wedding. Every guy there came up and gave me the high five on that victory...that was a night of intense celebration.

With that said.....if we play in the MAC championship game I can't see the N.I.T. overlooking us....especially with what this same team did last year.

OUVan
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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 11:49:24 AM

If we don't win the MAC tourney we will get an NIT bid unless Akron doesn't win it either.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 12:02:50 PM

SBH, you are way off base on the NIT. In todays world of the mid-majors that we live in, a chance to host a game, then make it to the Garden is positive exposure for our program going forward. Playing in the Garden is an experience that our kids will remember for ever. Still remember some ole smell left over deep in hallways of the Garden from Ringling Bros. gig that had ended a few days before !

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 12:10:09 PM

Huge difference between NIT and the other two no-name tournaments. It's a real tournament with real history and real national TV for every game. A chance to play a couple more games against quality competition. It's not what I want, but it's far from insulting or embarrassing as a consolation prize.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 12:50:49 PM

* The NIT is marginally better than the other non-Dance tournaments because of its historic prestige and its coverage on ESPN.

* But, ESPN doesn't carry all the games, so additional exposure might not happen before at least the 2nd game of the tourney.

* The NIT will pick either Ohio or Akron (whichever loses the MAC tourney) from the MAC or nobody; WMU at 18-11 and 5-4 since 2/1 would have to get in the MAC championship game before even being considered.

* The real benefit from any tourney is getting additional time to work with underclassmen. Giving that this is Christian's first season at Ohio, this benefit could be more than in past years.

* After a (likely) 23-8 regular season, anything below the NIT would be a HUGE disappointment.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 12:54:06 PM

Pataskala wrote:

The "extra practice time" benefit is real in football, not so much in basketball. These guys are playing "pick up" games as a team all spring and summer...with coaches pretending not to pay attention.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 12:57:50 PM

anorris wrote:

Agreed. I also think that the CBI/CIT have benefits as well. It will be majorly disappointing if we don't at least get an NIT bid but the other two can give you invaluable experience especially with a new coach. I'm of the school of thought that if we didn't receive a bid to even the lower two and they come up with even another one you keep playing as long as you can.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 2:16:02 PM

SBH wrote:

There's zero value in being in the NIT. It's just a somewhat visible reminder to recruits that you didn't quality for The Dance. It's almost embarrassing.

That is just lflat out wrong. CBI and CIT wins also help the program whether they embarrass you or not. You come up with some doozies but this one is just flat out wrong. If it embarrasses you then so be it because it is so important to the program that Groce had it written in his contract that they would never pass up the possibility of playing in them if presented with a chance.

Butler used their CBI experience and parlayed it in a down year and were not so embarrassed after two NCAA runner ups to take the chance to put together a run that taught the frosh and kids who came out of the gate this year to play deep and hard. .... . We beat marshall at their place inthe post season and have never looked back. Both of our post season tourneys not named NCAA have been followed by NCAA wins and advancement. .

There is no substitute for post season win or go home experience. You have either been there done and learned a lesson or you did not.

I will take a stand here and tell you it makes a difference. The experience you gain makes a difference.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 2:31:28 PM

bornacatfan, like always, you are all over this discussion. Anyone who does not value the post season play just "does not get it."

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 2:57:01 PM

Any time there's another chance to watch DJ and the other seniors play, I'm all for it.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 3:10:56 PM

I always want the Cats to play post season ball, I will just have a 1995 feeling all over again! Trent's last year and shipped off to IOWA CITY in the second round NIT to lose!

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 3:19:21 PM

OUVan wrote:

anorris wrote:

Totally agree -- I'm just saying that far from being an embarrassment, the NIT is a clear tier 2, the other two could be lumped together on a third.

The fact of the matter is that the last spot in the last of these tournaments is still harder to obtain than a low-end football bowl. Institutional financials generally are better than the low end bowls, too.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 4:19:21 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

SBH wrote:

There's zero value in being in the NIT. It's just a somewhat visible reminder to recruits that you didn't quality for The Dance. It's almost embarrassing.

Certainly going to reserve my right to express my opinion on this site, Borna. Sorry you feel they are doozies. Have a nice day.

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 6:09:13 PM

SBH wrote:

Certainly going to reserve my right to express my opinion on this site, Borna. Sorry you feel they are doozies. Have a nice day.

No one here, especially me, is ever going to tell you not to express an opinion.

I hope no one ever tells me not to either. I keep my opinions to my self a LOT anyway.

I do expect to be called out if I am flat out wrong or even a bit wrong ......and I hope discussion ensues backed by facts and justifications for dissenting opinions.

Respect your opinion and saw the same discussion by embarrassed fans on the Butler board last year. They thougt it was beneath them to take a CBI bid after 2 successful NCAA tourneys but then they ran Penn and Pitt in that tourney that was filled with some pretty good hoops names.. Stevens addressed his philosophy in the media and used the experience to get his team together so they came out of the gate rollin in Hawaii this year. Butler fans had the satisfaction that even though they were not playing in the NCAA or NIT......IU did not get asked to any of the 4 tourneys.

Last Edited: 3/7/2013 6:23:17 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: We still have a lot of work to make NIT

Posted: 3/7/2013 6:14:27 PM

OUVan wrote:

If we don't win the MAC tourney we will get an NIT bid unless Akron doesn't win it either.

It boils down to this, pretty clearly (unless we somehow lose to Miami)

I for one would be excited about a trip to the NIT. When was the last time we were in the NIT? I don't believe it has happenned since I've been following the Bobcats.

That bonus game to beat Marshall a couple years ago was fun.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 7:02:17 PM

What's our NIT chances if we win our next three?

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Posted: 3/7/2013 8:04:03 PM

JSF wrote:

What's our NIT chances if we win our next three?

ZERO

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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