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Wilson Hall Record Holder
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Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/17/2013 1:27:46 AM

I actually dvr'd the game and successfully navigated my day to completely avoid knowing one moment of what transpired.

Turns out nothing happened that stands contrary to anything I have already expressed.

Christian can't coach. Period

He will win only if he has superior talent ...which is why there won't be any NCAA tournament runs under his watch. (also words spoken before)

You have a true freshman starting for the 2nd time ever against the MAC player of the year and decided that this definitely not the time to blitz him and force their team to scramble which happens to lead right into the type of game that Ohio is "supposed" to want?

Coaching Brilliance.

They bring their 7 foot post player out to guard our MAC player of the year and we decide to not force him to defend dribble hand offs on the perimeter to wear him out and oh yeah by the way, open driving lanes right past him, or post feeds where low and behold there's no all time MAC leading shot blocker to protect the rim!!!

Pure Coaching Brilliance

It's one thing to say Christian can't coach or even that he was outcoached. It's quite a different story to spell it out for all to see. (well just two aspects of the game that a learned viewer can pick up) Who knows what other examples could be divined by actually being involved with the day to day preparations.

Anyone who says Christian wasn't out coached simply doesn't know and quite possibly doesn't want to know.

However you will have plenty of opportunities to find yourself in denial in the days to come.

P.S. He just burned up a lot of good will patience for his program to kick in with this season and in particular this game tonight.

P.S.S. To any who would counter we can still have a good postseason run....good luck with that form of denial.

cats28
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/17/2013 2:11:33 AM

Please explain 1-20 from 3 point land please? After that, I may listen.

GraffZ06
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/17/2013 2:26:21 AM

Of course you can't 100% explain away 1-20 from 3. At some point guys just have to make some shots. We didn't and that's not on JC. That being said, how about implementing something besides a 4 out, 1 in, dribble weave offense? How about making some coaching adjustments on the offensive end to try and get guys better looks, more in the flow of the offense and catching the ball in rhythm? How about telling DJ et al to try hitting a pull up jumper or floater instead of settling for a hoisted 3 or driving all the way into a 7 footer? Now maybe he DID try to do this and guys just ignored him....but we sure as heck didn't actually run anything different. If you say, well you can't just draw up an offense on the fly, well then yes you'd be correct but then that shows a lack of foresight/preparation on the coaches.

Personally I agree with the assessment that JC is a GREAT game planner but failed miserably (this season at least) at in-game adjustments. My gut tells me some of that is JC just stubbornly believing in his system/offense and also partly that his experience/philosophy just didn't jive with what this team needed to be successful. The other part of me thinks it might just be who he is...which doesn't bode well for our future.

Wilson Hall Record Holder
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/17/2013 2:45:49 AM

Well I can do better than spoonfeed what to think -- I can simply ask you to watch any of the post season games last year including the MAC tourney and compare it to tonight's

Don't just watch the Bobcat offense but watch how the offense reacts to the defense being played against them when it comes to their 3 point shots.

Compare the rhythm of the 3 point attempts ( how the player shooting and the passers that set them up moved the ball that led up to the shot if you require a definition of rhythm in this context)

This of course is a fools errand on your part -- if you already knew how to do what I just asked you would have already known the answer to your question.

You merely wait to look at the stats to determine how well they shot (as if a shot is a shot is a shot is a shot)

I'm not here to convince you, I never could.

If the thoughts are not already your own, you require a television or radio or computer screen and to have a title under someone's name that carries weight with your thoughts in order to assign equal weight to their words.

cats28
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/17/2013 3:24:42 AM

I was wondering if you were talking to me by chance Wilson Recorder? If so, I was at all three NCAA tournament games in person. My assessment says our problems had to do with confidence all year long with a few players. If you go back and look at the run from last year, you did not get the same type of shooting production from Ivo Baltic, Nick Kellogg, or Walt Offutt that you did during last years run. I will tell you this, if you get 3 points from DJ, 2 points from Kellogg and zero from Ivo, I don't care who the coach is. These guys have played enough basketball to know how to get open looks. They are not first time players at all. Saying this, Louisville out scored Syracuse 49-16 in the last half of the Big East finals. I am pretty sure that Boeheim didn't all of a sudden forget how to coach. If your core contributors from last years runs do not knock down shots, and the team shoots 1-20 from 3, we are not winning any of those games at all. As I stated on another post, if the Coach is the guy who gives his players confidence to play, I see something there potentially.

Wilson Hall Record Holder
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/17/2013 4:08:31 AM

Well i could take your assessment of confidence and dispute that but I'll go along with that for now --- Confidence is in great measure a product of comfort which is in great measure a product of familiarity.

This is a coach who put all the players back into a position of being freshmen ( how confident did Baltic appear back then if you chose to look at him as you would look at him this season?)

Knowing where you will be on the floor both with and without the ball and having three years of practices, games, film study of both practices and games. Things such as these are what breeds familiarity, which breeds comfort and yes breeds confidence.

People who say that Coach Christian can't make adequate in game adjustments are greatly missing the boat. He lost this team in week one of his arrival when he failed to realize what this team was and what it was not.

Game are the evidence of what takes place, and what doesn't take place in practice every single day.

Many people watch games, few actually realize what they are seeing. Lesser still what they aren't seeing but should be.

nam1975
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/17/2013 12:26:34 PM

Wilson Hall.....really ...what a joke.

He lost him team in week one......gimme a Fnin break....

And they win 25 games, win OT games, share the MAC title, make MAC finals gain. With a lost team.

Watch a UK game this year.....that's a lost cause?
Major program players are more mentally tough???
UK again and UNC this year

These mid majors kids have heard their whole lives they aren't good enough because they are 2 or 3 inches shorter.

Seen who DJ was recruited by out of HS?
Walt transferring twice?
That's tough, not being some prima donna at UK who has heard who great he is since the 7th grade.

cbus cat fan
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/17/2013 12:33:46 PM

The only leauge games we lost the entire season was to one team who had superior talent. I wish we had the run we had last year but as I indicated in previous posts about team chemistry and mental toughness are intangibles which are not easliy remedied. Hopefully, new talent will rectify the situation. We had a great run. I am going to be as charitable as I can, but to suggest the situation was due to coaching is either made out of silliness or ignorace.

We lost several league games last year and though we had a great amount of returning talent we lost to the one team that had superior talent. When you have coached at the high school level (as I have) or at the college level, one can make substantive critiques about the nuances of losing to one league team with superior talent. However, to blame it on the coach is made either out of silliness or ignorance.

Ozcat
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/18/2013 4:47:45 PM

Wilson Hall Record Holder wrote:

He lost this team in week one of his arrival when he failed to realize what this team was and what it was not.

Then goes on to win 24 games, including the first regular season title in 18 years.

Your logic seems legit . . .

doubledribble
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/18/2013 9:18:58 PM

After reading posts by Wilson Hall Record Holder, I am certain of one thing; His records held are no place near a basketball court or a successful basketball program !

Jim G
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RE: Welcome to the future

Posted: 3/18/2013 9:56:19 PM

Dambrot>Christain>Any other coach in the MAC

I guess by this logic Dambrot is the only person in the MAC who can coach

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