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Topic: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Topic: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

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OUOhYeah2428
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Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 7:05:59 AM

I know it's a day after the end of the 2012-2013 Basketball season but...I cant help but think about next year and the future of the Bobcats. I know we really don't know because its so far away but just wondering about people initial thoughts of a depth chart for next year. Here is what i think. Not sure what to expect from Willis, Setty and the freshman. I can see Wingfield getting some playing time and probably Campbell. I can also see us going maybe 11-12 deep depending on foul trouble. Not really sure who will be a reliable score for next years team but i guess we will find out in time. Thoughts people?

PG - Willis - Taylor
SG - Kellogg - Wilkins
SF - Hall - Johnson - Wingfield
F - Green - Setty - Campbell
F/C - Ndour? - Smith - Mompremier (redshirt?)

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 9:14:24 AM

Taylor has earned the chance to be the starter out of the gate next year. It's his to keep or lose, but he's the guy.

B.S. Journalism, 2012.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 9:26:53 AM

Too early to tell, I could see up to 10 guys starting, but for now I would say:

PG: Willis, Taylor
SG: Kellogg, Wilkins, Wingfield
SF: Hall, Johnson, Wingfield, Setty
PF: N'dour, Setty, Campbell
C: Smith, Green, Mompremier

UpSan Bobcat
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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 9:37:25 AM

Both Willis and Setty started at least some at their previous schools. Willis seemed to be more of a scorer than a passer, though, only 1.9 assists per game in 29.4 minutes. Setty came into a starting role late in his freshman season at SIU, although his minutes were up and down all year. It will be interesting to see how they fit in. Then throw in the four recruits and it's impossible to say. I don't even know who to say will be the team's leading scorer. Will be a very different team.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 9:38:20 AM

Please note, IMHO going 10 deep may have been part of the problem this year. Look at the box score with Denver...give me 7 good players. I think Akron is pretty much the same (7-8 deep). I think sharing all the minutes makes it a bit more difficult to get into the flow of the game. Unless you are giving the opponent 40 minutes of hell pressing and doubling everywhere, I just think 10 deep may be too many. Again, IMHO.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 9:41:44 AM

Casper71 wrote:

That's a curious way of looking at it. It will be interesting to see who will emerge this fall. I'm excited to see how Christian does in year two.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 9:54:14 AM

Casper71 wrote:

Akron actually played 11 guys most of the season and all averaged 11 or more minutes per game. The exception was Gilliam missing a few games due to injury and then of course Abreu. The Zips did shorten their bench to exclude Ibitayo and Forsythe only played two minutes in the MAC title game.

But I do see merit in your feelings. If your eighth, ninth and 10th guys can't get it done, then you're better off with a smaller rotation. I just don't think Ohio ever had guys consistently separate themselves as being much better than the next.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 10:01:31 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

I agree with this.

The only thing I will add is that DJ Wingfield appears to be the true freshman most likely to see time. I could see him getting time anywhere from SF to PG.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 10:10:21 AM

An article in todays Wall Street Journal: Having a Deep Bench is Overrated!

Statistics show from this year that teams that employed a 6 man rotation had the highest winning percentage .667 and teams that employed 7 men had the 2nd highest win percentage .583. Teams that utilized a 12 man bench had the lowest win % clocking in at .312 of which No. Ill was one

Gonzaga this year goes 10 deep. If they reach the Final Four they will be the first team in the last 10 years that utilizes a bench that deep.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 10:10:36 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Kellogg strikes me as the key to next season. We need him to play with confidence and want the ball in his hands. We're going to rebound better and our defense should be solid as well, we just need somebody to step up and be a consistent scorer. Kellogg strikes me as the guy most likely to do that, and the guy with the most talent.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 10:17:27 AM

I think up san has the answer, after two or three players, nobody really stepped up for us this year. Probably more typical of MAC recruiting. You get one or two studs and everybody else is about the same. Haven't looked at it in depth but one example for me would be Reg...how did he only average 23+ minutes per game?

Ok, so I just looked up 5 top teams...the OSU with 8 guys over 10 minutes. IU with only 7 guys over 10 mins. And, Duke 9 guys over 10 mins., Kansas had 8. and Louisville with 8 And that is given these guys probably had more non conference blow outs than us. Also, we all know Denver basically only uses 7 guys.

So, I think I'll stand by my curious statement.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 10:29:37 AM

BobcatSports wrote:

Fascinating. I would like to see the numbers on how many teams there were in each category. I can't imagine too many teams were using a 6 man rotation. I know as a coach (very low level mind you) that it's easiest on me when we only have 7 kids show up. Kids get to stay in the game longer, get a better feel for the game, and get into a rhythm.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 10:34:05 AM

It will be interesting to see if Jon Smith starts next year, considering hes obviously a defensive/energy guy and anytime he scored it was off of the pick and roll or an alley oop from cooper. It's nice he can bring his experience and energy but i'd almost rather have him come off the bench. Offensively i am not sure who will be the guy. I am just worried about. those long 5-10 minute stretches of turnovers and missed shots that have happened a lot this year. Who will be the guy next year? Should be interesting to see.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 10:35:32 AM

Tyler Charles wrote:

Taylor has earned the chance to be the starter out of the gate next year. It's his to keep or lose, but he's the guy.

Really? I don't want to bash Stevie but I haven't seen him run the offense all that effectively this year. I think his best role has been when he's been on the court the same time as D.J. I like him much more off the ball than running the point.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 11:35:05 AM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

If TJ Hall continues to collect fouls like he does, we will need to go deep on the bench.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 11:50:35 AM

The Optimist wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

I agree with this.

The only thing I will add is that DJ Wingfield appears to be the true freshman most likely to see time. I could see him getting time anywhere from SF to PG.

Actually from some things I've read, I'd expect to see plenty of Campbell next year. I'd also anticipate at this point that Mompremier gets a red shirt year. There are too many guys in his spot for next year. Smith graduates and he takes that spot.

If I were coach, based on what I know, I'd start like this:

1- Willis (proven scorer that we'll need)
2-Kellogg (hope he gets to 10-11 ppg, and back to 40+% from 3pt)
3-Hall or Johnson
4-N'Dour or Setty
5-Smith - I think he could emerge with more minutes.

Bench:
First guys off the bench at guard: Taylor, whoever doesn't start betw Hall/Johnson.
First guys off the bench in the post: Campbell, Green

One thing I like when I look at this is that we see the ability to play with different teams and multiple styles. Have the need to go 3-4 guards? Play Taylor, Willis, Kellogg at the same time with Hall at the 4. Have the need to go big, play Campbell, N'Dour and John Smith at the same time with Johnson at the 2. (or some variation of that)

Edit: Another thought that comes to mind- The biggest need is the emergence of two guys from Setty, N'Dour, Campbell, Green, or Mompremier to emerge in the post as a scorer. We know what we have with John Smith.

Last Edited: 3/20/2013 11:53:35 AM by OU_Country

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 11:55:40 AM

Something I'd hope we'll also see next year with the size and length that appears to be on next year's roster is a little 2-3 zone.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 12:16:42 PM

I'm hoping Setty can be something similar to a "Junior Year Ivo Baltic". Around 11 points and 6 rebounds per game would be nice.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 12:23:41 PM

OUOhYeah2428 wrote:

I'm hoping Setty can be something similar to a "Junior Year Ivo Baltic". Around 11 points and 6 rebounds per game would be nice.

I'm hoping we don't have a guy with that kind of ability that also see's the rim as kryptonite. I think a sports psychologist would do him wonders.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 12:34:14 PM

Based on last night, I would start Wilkins over Kellogg . A better defensive player in my opinion and a better 3 point shooter.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 3:35:07 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Based on last night, I would start Wilkins over Kellogg . A better defensive player in my opinion and a better 3 point shooter.

Wilkens had his best game last night and hopefully that carries over to good things next year. But Kellogg is the top 1 or 2 defenders on the team IMO and a better ball handler.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 3:45:27 PM

Kellogg had 4-5 good games all year and about 10 where honestly you wouldn't have even known he had played if someone didn't tell you he did. A lot of telegraphing his passes and I thought weak defense coupled with pretty much his only shot is wide open 3's. I guess JC finally agreed as he sat him in the second half.

Last Edited: 3/20/2013 3:53:45 PM by PhiTau74

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 4:08:43 PM

PG: Willis, Taylor
SG: Kellogg, Wilkins, Wingfield,
SF: Hall, Johnson, Wingfield, Setty
PF: Setty, Smith, Ndour, Green Campbell, Mompremier
PF: Smith, Setty, Ndour, Green, Campbell, Mompremier[/QUOTE]

I put Setty in front of Ndour as I think Ndour will be a work in progress.

I see all our bigs as interchangeable. No need to declare a center position in my mind anymore.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 5:24:06 PM

If your team is running a six-man rotation, it means those six players are studs. That's why they win more games.

I thought this year's rotation got unwieldy at times and wondered if Kellogg wouldn't have been a little better had the guard spots been a little less crowded. We'll find out next year, I guess. Ohio really needs Kellogg to step up if they want to win 22-24 games. I've said before I think either Johnson or Hall steps up and takes that three-spot by the scruff of the neck.

Making any pronouncements about Stevie Taylor is premature. He has an entire offseason. We've been comparing him to D.J. Cooper. Compared to most point guards at this point of development, he's fine. At worst he's one of the MAC's best back-up point guards. At best, he takes that job.

I really like how Ohio plays when Jon Smith is on the floor, but I don't know if he's a five in Christian's system. It's going to be a bit of shock to see this team next year with how much it will be oriented towards the paint again.

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RE: Depth Chart for next year...Why not

Posted: 3/20/2013 8:26:08 PM

Johnson made a couple really sweet shots last night. I love Smith's motor . Hall, Johnson and smith all seem to foul a lot to me so that appears to be a problem that needs to be corrected if it can be.

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