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FearLeon
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Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:24:06 PM

I've seen it all now.
Like this team...a bunch.

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LuckySparrow
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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:28:32 PM

Hating these new rule adjustments so far.

Even in the NBA.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:30:49 PM

So far I really do too. IF Ohio can bring that kind of intensity to every conference game this season, we're contending for the MAC regular season championship.

Last Edited: 11/12/2013 10:39:26 PM by Mark Lembright '85

Paul Graham
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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:33:18 PM

There is a lot to like about this team.

We got str8 HOMERED. I never felt like they were going to let us in the game.

The Optimist
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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:33:18 PM

We got homered pretty bad.

Good news is our team is really good.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:36:48 PM

If they bring this enthusiasm, this love of the game, this love of each other, and this love of the uniform every night, it will be a fun season.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:37:19 PM

I think that the new rules will ultimately lead to more scoring, and a better overall product. However, we may have to live with a season or two of free-throw fests in the interim.

They should have considered a one-year transition period where players get six fouls a piece.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:53:18 PM

based on this one game it looks like the new rules say that if you're Ohio State and you drive to the basket the other player cannot get within 12 inches of your person and when on defense its no blood no foul.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 10:57:13 PM

Unfortunately the new rules will work against a smaller scrappier team and play to the teams with size inside. A shame -- it will take away the chances of David against Goliath which makes college ball so much better than NBA

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 11:35:46 PM

I'm not so sure Old Zone. Teams will adjust. Right now, a lot of teams sag in and close out hard on the catch outside. Then, if the catcher tries to take it to the rim, the defender arm bars and harasses the attempt in addition to rotation from teammates to the spot. I think instead you may see a lot more zone out of teams than you have in 20 years, and the equalizer in return will be shooting from the outside. I also think these new rules may signal the return of the dominant center to the college game, think Patrick Ewing or Akeem Olajuwon, rather than physical 4s roughing up. Lost arts will be discovered if these changes hold, but I have seen these "emphasis" calls fade within one season, much less signal a paradigm change for years to come.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 11:45:28 PM

I HATE these new rules. This isnt Europe, let them play. If you dont like it go play Lacrosse

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 11:54:38 PM

There was a bit of homering - however I think O$U got the whistles and got to the line a lot more because they took the initiative a lot more. They hit the lanes and seams quick, turned the edges and corners quick, got the step advantage often - we were therefore reaching or reacting to catch up ("help" coming too late). As well - we did not do all of these as quickly, as well, or as often. We pulled up a lot after starting to drive, not enough following through and drawing the contact to get to the line. This part of the game needs to get better. Better spacing, quick movement/rotations, and snappy ball movement will help open the slash/drive opportunities up - then somebody gotta take it - the initiative - those are who is gonna get the calls this year. Ric doing this better than anyone so far - need more to step up here. Opens up the 3 dish as well.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/12/2013 11:57:49 PM

Watched this game with a Buckeye fan, and even he said this game was tough to watch with all these touchy fouls against Ohio. Actually caught him cheering for the Cats towards the end of the game...

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 12:01:22 AM

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

I HATE these new rules. This isnt Europe, let them play. If you dont like it go play Lacrosse

This doesn't make sense. The rule changes and emphases are in response to play being too physical. So why would you go to another physical game if you don't like the physical nature? And isn't this happening because it had gotten too physical for people to play well?

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 12:02:58 AM

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 1:17:17 AM

JSF wrote:

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

I HATE these new rules. This isnt Europe, let them play. If you dont like it go play Lacrosse

Nobody wants to watch a free throw contest. There was nothing wrong with the game the way it was. Its a physical game

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 1:24:18 AM

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

JSF wrote:

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

I HATE these new rules. This isnt Europe, let them play. If you dont like it go play Lacrosse

Nobody wants to watch a free throw contest. There was nothing wrong with the game the way it was. Its a physical game

Going to have to disagree with you on this one. Good basketball is athletic, fast, and flowing (which is how it used to be). It's not semi-wrestling. Players shouldn't be able to bully opponents because they're not as good.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 6:49:27 AM

JSF wrote:

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

JSF wrote:

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

I HATE these new rules. This isnt Europe, let them play. If you dont like it go play Lacrosse

This doesn't make sense. The rule changes and emphases are in response to play being too physical. So why would you go to another physical game if you don't like the physical nature? And isn't this happening because it had gotten too physical for people to play well?

Nobody wants to watch a free throw contest. There was nothing wrong with the game the way it was. Its a physical game

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 7:19:56 AM

JSF wrote:

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

I HATE these new rules. This isnt Europe, let them play. If you dont like it go play Lacrosse

I think the problem I have is it may lead to a bunch of one on one basketball. I'm just now getting back to watching the NBA because it was unwatchable for a while there with the clear-out for the superstar, have him take his guy one-on-one style it became. I know some people like it that way but I'm not one of them. Calling hand checks on the perimeter I get. Bailing out ballhandlers who are completely out of control I don't.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 7:31:40 AM

Hey, I have an idea...instead of playing basketball, let's have a free throw shooting contest! Buckeyes, you get 51 attempts...Bobcats, you get 21 attempts. Good luck!

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 7:49:02 AM

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

I HATE these new rules. This isnt Europe, let them play. If you dont like it go play Lacrosse

one man's opinion.

YOu ever played the game? Rules were favoring a lot of strength over a lot of skill. If you like freak athletes that dunk on folks I see your point. I like skill, movement and rewarding BASKETBALL players. The game was big on bumping guys off routes, running through shooters and pushing the "physical" side of things over skills. Tommy and I worked the entire summer between his freshman and sophomore season to turn him from a jump shooter to a catch and shoot guy. The college game punishes pure jump shooters and guys who can dribble with speed and skill when you let defenders run through them or guide them on cuts off the ball and paths to the basket with the ball.

I respect your view but the game of basketball is a NON contact sport and is beautiful when executed well. WHen you muddy it up and push the rules with physical play it loses flow and we see guys dribbling at mid court then going one on one where the strongest athlete wins every time.

Coaches will stop teaching beating your opponent up on cuts, hand checking and knees in the arse to root the post player out and start teaching ball denial, moving the feet on defense and change some of their philosophies which will make it a better game that rewards skills. They may even have to recruit basketball players. Pendulum had swung too far one way.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 8:43:36 AM

FearLeon wrote:

I've seen it all now.
Like this team...a bunch.

I'm in complete agreement on the "Like this team". I really like what I've seen from Taylor, Kellogg, Johnson, and N'Dour so far. I'd like to see a little more from Willis, Wilkins, and Hall, but I think that will come. We seem to know what we're getting from Smith and Setty as well, which is great work playing their roles. I'm hopeful we'll get to see a bit more from Campbell and Mompremier as the season wears on.

bornacatfan wrote:

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

I HATE these new rules. This isnt Europe, let them play. If you dont like it go play Lacrosse

I was waiting for borna's thoughts on this. While last night's game is just one example, I agree with the original opinion that I don't the new rules -- but only if it means all year long I'm watching games that are involving 50+ fouls and 60-70 free throw attempts.

The spirit of the rules I'm fine with -- eliminating excessive contact and hand checking by defenders. What I'm not fine with is still allowing the offensive player, in this case Aaron Craft, to simply duck his shoulder, initiate contact, plow into a defender, and get freebies at the line. There were a couple occasions, including one right at the end of the game, when Craft should have been given the OFFENSIVE foul. That has to be part of the "new rules" too in my opinion.

Again, the spirit of the rule is just fine, but come February if we're still watching 60 free throws a game, I have a problem with it. Fans don't turn on the TV, or pay for tickets to watch 50+ fouls, 5 guys foul out, and 60-70 trips to the line. Four days into the season is too early to judge. I'm interested to revisit this in Mid-December.

Last Edited: 11/13/2013 8:47:09 AM by OU_Country

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 8:45:57 AM

OUVan wrote:

I don't think it'll lead to that; we've learned that simply isn't a good way to run an offense. And the referees have to adjust just like everyone else; I think they'll find the right balance.

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 8:55:16 AM

OU_Country wrote:

Here here! At the end of the game Craft knew that he would get a whistle every time he went inside. He knew it. I knew it. Everyone knew it. That's pretty pathetic.

I don't think the refs cost us the game. But, I do think they were a bit out of hand with all the whistles on one end of the court. I wouldn't last long as a coach because near the end of a game like this I'd calmly walk out onto the court and quietly talk to the refs until they gave me a T for not going back to the bench, and then calmly and professionally question the officials in the post game media session.

Last Edited: 11/13/2013 8:56:15 AM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Refs 79 OHIO 69

Posted: 11/13/2013 9:03:03 AM

I don't blame the refs completely for the calls, yes they got pretty ticky tack at times, but our guys were also putting themselves in position to foul too. Also I don't know if anyone else noticed but the amount of fouls we committed on tOSU actually made it hard at times for them to get a rhythm which helped us slowly work into their lead. Unfortunately in the end we couldn't keep making the clutch shots and made mistakes you can't make in such a close game. Now of course our foul trouble at the end did not help us either. But all in all I was proud of the guys fighting the whole game and making tOSU work for that win. What this team needs is for Hall, Setty, and Wilkins to up their game. For the amount of minutes they are getting they are more liabilities than anything right now.

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