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Topic: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

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71 BOBCAT
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Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/24/2013 4:47:35 PM

Setty & Taylor

Setty has yet to show me anything. He only seems to poses energy, without any positive contribution in points or rebounds,

Taylor seems to be regressing. Bean needs to take the starting position. It's just possible that Taylor is better suited for a reserve position as in the past 2 years.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/24/2013 5:49:11 PM

Stevie or Bean MUST come thru at point. Shooting in the 30s doesn't get it done. We also need one more big to go with Smith and Ndour. So, come on Campbell or Setty!

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/24/2013 6:00:47 PM

Subject line needs changing to "Player Complaining- Setty & Taylor."

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/25/2013 12:56:22 AM

JSF wrote:

Subject line needs changing to "Player Complaining- Setty & Taylor."

True

Amazing how these threads pop up on many boards and have strikingly similar characteristics.

I like Setty. He has good upside and will fill a bigger role as he learns his spot and the seniors ahead of him move on.

ST came out with great competitiveness and confidence. IMHO getting yanked before the first media time out on a few occassions has had an effect on that. It seems we are going to wield that hammer and keep pounding on Bean until he fits what we need. I saw ST getting turns on D, shooting well early on, making plays and keeping the ball hot. Bean wastes possession and , while he can score, he does so on a high volume of shots. The ball stops and the offense does not seem as fluiD ad it should.

We need both to be good. Both have flaws. ST is gonna have to grow a thick skin and go out and compete. He is seemingly gonna have to be a lot better to have a shot at keeping the spot while JC force feeds Bean and his decision making'/lack of shooting conscience. I think there are only a few possessions that can be wasted a game. Wasted possessions with too much dribbling, no motion , movement east to west instead of NOrth South to the bucket. and the wasted shots that end up one and done...

I think no matter what happens Bean is gonna end up starting. I only hope it makes Stevie pretty damn mad and he comes for his spot. HARD.

Last Edited: 12/25/2013 12:59:42 AM by bornacatfan

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/25/2013 11:18:10 AM

I am impressed at Setty's quickness around the boards. By that I mean how fast he can react to the ball and adjust his position under the boards. Not all guys who are 6'9" have his athleticism. I think he has a huge upside and I am seeing improvement with each game. I like his energy too.

Stevie needs to play his game and let the chips fall. During the UMASS game I was impressed at his speed on a few of the breakaways. I like his energy too. Great demeanor and seems like he would be a great teammate.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/25/2013 12:23:51 PM

The team is better when Stevie is on the floor. Bean is worse defensively and more selfish on offense. I don't understand the PG rotation at all. JC must see something I'm just not seeing because I think he is forcing the minutes. It's almost like a pitcher getting pulled based on pitch count as opposed to when the flow of the game dictates a substitution.

I like Setty's upside. I like his passion, but think he needs to reign his emotions in a little. He almost got T'd up at OSU and at the UMass game. He is active around the rim, but needs to become a little more comfortable for his shots to start dropping from short range.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/25/2013 2:57:10 PM

Stevie needs to lay off the 3s. He's only hitting 18% (8/43) of 3s, but 52% (25/48) of 2s. Bean's about the same from both: 32% (11/34) from outside the arc; 39% (11/28) from inside. They're about even in assists on a per-minutes basis, but Stevie has fewer TOs in more minutes. Bean, though, is a much better FT shooter -- he's perfect at 10/10, but Stevie is only 12/21 (57%).

Last Edited: 12/25/2013 3:01:01 PM by Pataskala

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/25/2013 5:23:41 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

I like Setty. He has good upside and will fill a bigger role as he learns his spot and the seniors ahead of him move on.

I agree. I see him in a similar situation as DeVaughn Washington or KvK. They aren't similar players but it took both of them some time to get to the point where they could stay on the court. Treg has the energy and the desire and I think a lot more talent than some here are giving him credit for. He's earned the majority of his fouls but I also think he has been both unlucky and screwed by the refs in some instances.

As for Stevie, IMO, we are a much better team with him on the court right now. He isn't hitting his shots but he runs the offense much better than Bean. I think Christian really, really wants Bean to win the job but he just hasn't even with Stevie's struggles.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/25/2013 10:51:12 PM

Setty will develop..wont be much more than a fouler this yr..should be better tomorrow..and how can anyone give up on stevie..did you not see him against the suckeyes!!!!!????..he is a leader..quit being petty

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 8:45:53 AM

Stevie needs to get back to rim attack mode and lay off the 3s, if he can do that he and the team will be functioning much better.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 9:23:20 AM

Bean/Stevie is the most interesting battle for a spot that I can remember since following Ohio basketball. Usually you can mix and match a little more, and when player A sees increased playing time, it isn't directly felt by solely player B. But such is the case with the PG position. Does anyone know if these 2 get along? I hope they do, but it has to be awkward for them...You want to see your team do well, but wouldn't it only be natural to smirk internally if you watch your main competitor make a couple bad plays in a row? I still think it could work out well for us - The competition should only make them both give it everything they have...Play the hot hand and/or the better matchup for the situation.

I agree Setty needs to work on the emotions...For as little as he has played, he has had the most touchy moments on the court already. He plays too aggressively on defense resulting in an insane amount of fouls. I think both of these will improve with time, but I have my doubts on if he could ever be an effective 30 minute type player.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 10:05:57 AM

What is the point here?

Are there more threads to follow? I'm waiting for "Player Assessments - Crabtree & Mompremier" - Is this merely the first in a series from the original poster or did he just get the urge to soil Setty and Stevie for no particular reason? Further, what are 71Bobcat's credentials for writing these "Assessments?"

Call out the Coaches or the collective team all you want, but there's no reason to go jumping on individuals like this.

I can see Christian and the staff sitting in their morning meeting prior to the Longwood game:

Christian: "Let's talk about our rotations for Longwood"

Fuss: "Same script I assume?"

Christian: "No - we are changing EVERYTHING. This guy 71Bobcat has figured it out. He's like the 2nd coming of James Naismith. Do we have any dollars in the budget to bring him on as a consultant? I need him writing Player Assessments after every game like Lawrence Frank. Anthony, you could stand to be more like Mr. 71. He's not impressed with Setty? Well then we'll put Setty's ass on the bench until the next Thanksgivikuah in 7,000 years. Also, go ahead and tell Bean he's playing 40 minutes - see how Jayson Gee counters this move. Guys, as a staff we need to get it in gear. We all could stand to be more like 71Bobcat. He's the Billy Beane of Ohio Basketball. More player assessments. That's the direction we're headed. Assessments, Assessments, Assessments. It's all assessments nowadays."

Worse, I don't know why some of you would even participate in this thread.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 1:08:56 PM

I thought the purpose of these opinion boards are to give opinions, hit the delete button if you don't like it. I like reading about what people think whether I agree or don't agree. It would be a pretty stupid website if no one ever got to talk about players in football or basketball.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 1:36:06 PM

IMHO - Setty is there only to spell Smith and Ndor.
And Stevie , well I'm not sure what he's doing this year.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 1:39:02 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Spurred me to recall this post from post 12/15/12:

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......"Leaving Ivo in to clank shot after shot while playing marginal defense on the other end? Kellogg, Smith, and Offutt just disappearing for LONG stretches at a time?"

"I've seen 2 players who have actually improved since last year - Ricardo and Keely. I've seen 5 players who have gotten worse - Kellogg, Smith, Taylor, Baltic, and Walt. Yes, that's a scathing review of the progress to date. Something just isn't right. You can't tell me the Walter Offutt of 12/15 is the same guy who lit up UNC on the National Stage in STL on 3/23. This guy is a shell of himself. Frankly, the regression pattern among those 5 scares me. It scares me a great deal for this year. It scares me for what's going to happen in future years."

Last Edited: 12/26/2013 1:39:45 PM by RSBobcat

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 2:43:42 PM

Count me in as this being a forum to discuss each player and what they bring to the table. There was a thread before the season on the point guard topic and the consensus was that Stevie should be the starter. Had my doubts then and nothing has changed. Problem is Bean hasn't done much to prove he deserves the spot as well. We essentially have 2 point guards who are playing more like back-ups. Feels like Stevie hasn't made a 3 point shot since OHIO State. He's lacking serious confidence and swag. Hope he finds it. Bean hasn't shown that he can dish and drive effectively.

Good news....season isn't half-way over....plenty of time left. Just get the feeling that both guys are constantly looking over their shoulder waiting to get yanked out of the game at every whistle.

Last Edited: 12/26/2013 2:46:14 PM by FearLeon

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 3:06:15 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Good forbid someone post an opinion about a player on a message board. You know, a place where people post messages with their opinions on the team/players.

No one is claiming they have fixed anything, just posting an opinion which leads to a discussion that is quite reasonable.

You would never make it on normal college sports message board.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 3:19:45 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Whoa. Kinda makes us miss the dead-eye of DJ Cooper from deep, eh?

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 5:08:28 PM

I'm not about to say people can't post their opinion if it's negative, but I knew before I read the post it was going to be negative without offering any actual insight or analysis because that's how the OP rolls. If you're going to be critical of a player, you'd better be ready to back it up because there are some smart people here who will rip apart a weak statement (see discussion of Setty). Criticism of Taylor on this thread has some meat behind it (not by the OP), so it's more acceptable for people to read.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 6:00:08 PM

RSBobcat wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Spurred me to recall this post from post 12/15/12:

In context, I believe that was a game summary after Winthrop. Not a dedicated post to start ripping players.

Boy, I was right about Walt and Ivo. Kellogg and Smith have bounced back in a big way, and so has Stevie to an extent. Definitely wrong about regression being a pattern. Most of our guys have gotten better from last year to this year - definitely happy about that.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/26/2013 10:32:19 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

I like Setty. He has good upside and will fill a bigger role as he learns his spot and the seniors ahead of him move on.

ST came out with great competitiveness and confidence. IMHO getting yanked before the first media time out on a few occassions has had an effect on that. It seems we are going to wield that hammer and keep pounding on Bean until he fits what we need. I saw ST getting turns on D, shooting well early on, making plays and keeping the ball hot. Bean wastes possession and , while he can score, he does so on a high volume of shots. The ball stops and the offense does not seem as fluiD ad it should.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/27/2013 9:14:40 AM

JSF wrote:

I knew before I read the post it was going to be negative without offering any actual insight or analysis because that's how the OP rolls.

We should have a rule for 71 - Every negative thought has to be matched by a positive thought.

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RE: Player Assessments - Setty & Taylor

Posted: 12/27/2013 10:20:00 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

RSBobcat wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Spurred me to recall this post from post 12/15/12:

the LOVE is back....for one night only.

......"Leaving Ivo in to clank shot after shot while playing marginal defense on the other end? Kellogg, Smith, and Offutt just disappearing for LONG stretches at a time?"

"I've seen 2 players who have actually improved since last year - Ricardo and Keely. I've seen 5 players who have gotten worse - Kellogg, Smith, Taylor, Baltic, and Walt. Yes, that's a scathing review of the progress to date. Something just isn't right. You can't tell me the Walter Offutt of 12/15 is the same guy who lit up UNC on the National Stage in STL on 3/23. This guy is a shell of himself. Frankly, the regression pattern among those 5 scares me. It scares me a great deal for this year. It scares me for what's going to happen in future years."

man, what a glorious justification for that beat down of players. It may be about context, but it sounds like you're not just talking about 1 game, but longer term. Isn't it great to be able to recall what people actually said in the past and compare that to what they say now. What a great country!

Last Edited: 12/27/2013 11:03:45 AM by colobobcat66

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