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I almost feel bad for the players, this is whaf they came to Ohio to play at home in the non conference? Give then at least a damn game or two of something. I know a lot of MAC home OOC schedules are dull but OUrs takes he cake. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,777 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/21/2015 11:52:25 PM  I agree that it's a horrible schedule. It kind of reminds me of the OSU schedules under several coaches where they played numerous teams that I'd never heard of before. At least the teams OHIO is playing this year I've heard of before. I remember watching an OSU game against UMBC and wondering what the heck that was. My first guess was University of Massachusetts-Boston Campus. Wrong. Next, I though, Missouri-Branson Campus. Wrong! Then I discovered it was U. of Maryland-Baltimore Campus. At least the schools we are playing now are ones that the average college basketball fan actually knows exist. But, again, I agree that it's one pitiful schedule. My guess is that it won't be repeated and that Saul just wanted to have some cupcakes after last year's less than stellar season to help build confidence going into the conference games. Also, with so many new faces who hadn't played together he may have wanted some easy games to allow his guys to coalesce together as a team. If this type of schedule is repeated in the future, I'll be very disappointed, but this year I give Saul a pass. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 765 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 12:35:59 AM  I understand the wanting to get some wins and padding the record after a terrible record last year, in addition to building the confidence of a young team. But I honestly think these kind of sloppy games, where the team is clearly not up for them, sets them back as they play down to the competition. Just encourages sloppy and sluggish play that really gets us nowhere. Unfortunately this seems to be about par for the course when you look at our annual OOC football and basketball schedules. For all the great things JS does at OHIO, creative and intriquing scheduling just isn't our thing. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 9:12:45 AM  Some of the schedule is bad luck. Cleveland State is usually good. This year they are not. Florida Gulf Coast has been very good recently but have slipped some this year. Tulsa, Florida State and St. Bonaventure are all good. This isn't the best schedule we've ever had but it's far from the worst. Back to Top bobcat695 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 1,345 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 9:17:52 AM  Those are all road opponents (except FGCU) Van. The home schedule stinks. I have been to 98% of the games in the Convo in the past two decades, but haven't been to a single game this year. It started to feel like a chore to make it to everything. It's a little sad, but I don't feel like I've missed out on anything so far this season. Last Edited: 12/22/2015 9:18:31 AM by bobcat695 "You can't un-fist a fist pump." - Saul Phillips 1/24/15 Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 9:29:14 AM  bobcat695 wrote: Those are all road opponents (except FGCU) Van. My bad, didn't read the thread title. DOH Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 9:50:52 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: I remember watching an OSU game against UMBC and wondering what the heck that was. My first guess was University of Massachusetts-Boston Campus. Wrong. Next, I though, Missouri-Branson Campus. Wrong! Then I discovered it was U. of Maryland-Baltimore Campus. At least the schools we are playing now are ones that the average college basketball fan actually knows exist. The C actually stands for County. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 10:16:50 AM  OCF, I can't always agree with you. I knew what UMBC was way before I knew what UAPB stood for. I thought it was one of those shortcuts to ask: u a peanut butter guy? Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 10:46:15 AM  Agreed. UMBC, UAPB, FGCU... Enough of these four letter acronyms on the OOC slate. It is bad enough we have to play so many three letter directionals in conference. This is just cruel and unusual. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 11:10:59 AM  Chicken George wrote: I understand the wanting to get some wins and padding the record after a terrible record last year, in addition to building the confidence of a young team. But I honestly think these kind of sloppy games, where the team is clearly not up for them, sets them back as they play down to the competition. Just encourages sloppy and sluggish play that really gets us nowhere. Unfortunately this seems to be about par for the course when you look at our annual OOC football and basketball schedules. For all the great things JS does at OHIO, creative and intriquing scheduling just isn't our thing. I was thinking the same thing on the playing down to their level of competition. Or, maybe the team is just not as good as we think they are. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,452 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 11:35:12 AM  This home schedule isn't great and that was made clear well before the season started. I wasn't expecting it to be either. Get some winning game experience under this group's belt then schedule stronger in 2016 and even stronger in 2017. It's a process. Back to Top OUBobcat13 General User Member Since: 12/7/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 285 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 1:09:11 PM  GoCats105 wrote: This home schedule isn't great and that was made clear well before the season started. I wasn't expecting it to be either. Get some winning game experience under this group's belt then schedule stronger in 2016 and even stronger in 2017. It's a process. Who would you all prefer we have on our OOC schedule this season? This has been discussed time and time again. I personally would rather this young team be 8-3 and learning to play together and build some confidence than be 3-8 and yelling at each other. And what is the incentive for better teams to travel to Athens? We finished last year with an RPI of 230. Why would top 150 RPI team want to come to Athens and risk a loss to a sub 200 team? Lastly, as of today our ESPN Daily RPI sits at 127. If we would have brought in your choices, where would we be? I don't know, but Saul has said time and time again, he is building a program. To do that, you lay a foundation. If we finish with an RPI of 150 this year with a 15-15 record, perhaps other coaches might say "Hmm, yea that could be a good game". I swear, some of you think OHIO is the only school in the country that considers RPI and how good their competition is. We WERE NOT GOOD last year...other coaches don't want to travel to Athens to play a 10-20 team, just like we don't want to travel somewhere to play a bottom feeder Jackson State team...who's current RPI is better than ours was last year. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 1:54:50 PM  I have only one complaint about the home OOC schedule, and it's not the name of the opponents, or their RPI's. That complaint is that, for whatever reason, someone inside the walls of The Convo allowed for five home games in the month of December without a single one of them ending up on a weekend day. As a ticket holder that lives 90 miles away, that's terribly frustrating. In years past, we usually got a couple December games to come down for. I never even cared who the game was against, I just wanted to come to Athens around the Holidays and take in a game while there. Given the large number of folks that make the trip from Columbus, Dayton, Cincy, etc., I feel like that's a pretty big scheduling error to make. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,408 Status: Online     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 2:17:04 PM  OU_Country wrote: I have only one complaint about the home OOC schedule, and it's not the name of the opponents, or their RPI's. That complaint is that, for whatever reason, someone inside the walls of The Convo allowed for five home games in the month of December without a single one of them ending up on a weekend day. As a ticket holder that lives 90 miles away, that's terribly frustrating. In years past, we usually got a couple December games to come down for. I never even cared who the game was against, I just wanted to come to Athens around the Holidays and take in a game while there. Given the large number of folks that make the trip from Columbus, Dayton, Cincy, etc., I feel like that's a pretty big scheduling error to make. The mid week games have not seemed to hurt the attendance as we are averaging over 5,000 people during those games. That's got to close to our all-time high for break. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 2:46:30 PM  Billy, nice to see you on the basketball board. Now, seriously...I must admit I have NOT been to a game in Athens yet this year. But if you think there are 5,000 fans butts in the Convo seats this time of year with this schedule...I'll just stop right there. I'm pretty sure the numbers are some combination of SEASON TX SOLD and people in seats. Last Edited: 12/22/2015 2:47:18 PM by Casper71 Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 3:02:28 PM  OU_Country wrote: I have only one complaint about the home OOC schedule, and it's not the name of the opponents, or their RPI's. That complaint is that, for whatever reason, someone inside the walls of The Convo allowed for five home games in the month of December without a single one of them ending up on a weekend day. As a ticket holder that lives 90 miles away, that's terribly frustrating. In years past, we usually got a couple December games to come down for. I never even cared who the game was against, I just wanted to come to Athens around the Holidays and take in a game while there. Given the large number of folks that make the trip from Columbus, Dayton, Cincy, etc., I feel like that's a pretty big scheduling error to make. Agreed. A significant % of this programs' season ticket holders and individual ticket fans are not living in Athens. I'm not driving from Akron for a weekday game unless it is a big-time opponent and even then it'll be tough for me... Schedule weekend games and get more butts in the seats... I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 3:22:45 PM  The Optimist wrote: OU_Country wrote: I have only one complaint about the home OOC schedule, and it's not the name of the opponents, or their RPI's. That complaint is that, for whatever reason, someone inside the walls of The Convo allowed for five home games in the month of December without a single one of them ending up on a weekend day. As a ticket holder that lives 90 miles away, that's terribly frustrating. In years past, we usually got a couple December games to come down for. I never even cared who the game was against, I just wanted to come to Athens around the Holidays and take in a game while there. Given the large number of folks that make the trip from Columbus, Dayton, Cincy, etc., I feel like that's a pretty big scheduling error to make. Agreed. A significant % of this programs' season ticket holders and individual ticket fans are not living in Athens. I'm not driving from Akron for a weekday game unless it is a big-time opponent and even then it'll be tough for me... Schedule weekend games and get more butts in the seats... Exactly. I come down on weeknights 2-3 times a year most years, usually for games like Akron or Miami. The only one that I hoped to make this year was the Marshall game, and I'd just driven 720 miles the day before from the holiday. Fingers crossed that the UC Riverside game works out in my schedule. I don't evey anyone involved in college hoops scheduling. It has to be a nightmare. But, most fans can more easily make a Saturday game over a week night game. More fans through the door equals more money for the Athletic Dept, right? Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,233 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 3:54:10 PM  Casper71 wrote: Billy, nice to see you on the basketball board. Now, seriously...I must admit I have NOT been to a game in Athens yet this year. But if you think there are 5,000 fans butts in the Convo seats this time of year with this schedule...I'll just stop right there. I'm pretty sure the numbers are some combination of SEASON TX SOLD and people in seats. I think the only solution to this on-going discussion is to do a public records request for the number of season tickets by category for basketball and football as well as walk up sales and student sales by game. Is there a proper procedure one needs to follow to make such a request? Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 4:08:51 PM  OU_Country wrote: The Optimist wrote: OU_Country wrote: I have only one complaint about the home OOC schedule, and it's not the name of the opponents, or their RPI's. That complaint is that, for whatever reason, someone inside the walls of The Convo allowed for five home games in the month of December without a single one of them ending up on a weekend day. As a ticket holder that lives 90 miles away, that's terribly frustrating. In years past, we usually got a couple December games to come down for. I never even cared who the game was against, I just wanted to come to Athens around the Holidays and take in a game while there. Given the large number of folks that make the trip from Columbus, Dayton, Cincy, etc., I feel like that's a pretty big scheduling error to make. Agreed. A significant % of this programs' season ticket holders and individual ticket fans are not living in Athens. I'm not driving from Akron for a weekday game unless it is a big-time opponent and even then it'll be tough for me... Schedule weekend games and get more butts in the seats... Exactly. I come down on weeknights 2-3 times a year most years, usually for games like Akron or Miami. The only one that I hoped to make this year was the Marshall game, and I'd just driven 720 miles the day before from the holiday. Fingers crossed that the UC Riverside game works out in my schedule. I don't evey anyone involved in college hoops scheduling. It has to be a nightmare. But, most fans can more easily make a Saturday game over a week night game. More fans through the door equals more money for the Athletic Dept, right? In addition to myself, a Saturday game makes it more likely I can convince others to join me and use up the rest of my tickets. I have an fairly easy time getting friends to join me @Akron, @Kent or at the Q (CSU & MAC Tournament) but a weekday game when everybody has to work is out of the question with a drive to Athens. Saturday on the other hand is something I can sell. With football, you at least have the argument that TV matters... How much that matters in another argument. My point is there is no such argument for basketball. Like OU_Country, I understand scheduling is very tricky and there are a TON of factors to consider.. I don't understand the lack of Saturday games. Why? I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 6:52:35 PM  OUBobcat13 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: This home schedule isn't great and that was made clear well before the season started. I wasn't expecting it to be either. Get some winning game experience under this group's belt then schedule stronger in 2016 and even stronger in 2017. It's a process. Who would you all prefer we have on our OOC schedule this season? This has been discussed time and time again. I personally would rather this young team be 8-3 and learning to play together and build some confidence than be 3-8 and yelling at each other. And what is the incentive for better teams to travel to Athens? We finished last year with an RPI of 230. Why would top 150 RPI team want to come to Athens and risk a loss to a sub 200 team? Lastly, as of today our ESPN Daily RPI sits at 127. If we would have brought in your choices, where would we be? I don't know, but Saul has said time and time again, he is building a program. To do that, you lay a foundation. If we finish with an RPI of 150 this year with a 15-15 record, perhaps other coaches might say "Hmm, yea that could be a good game". I swear, some of you think OHIO is the only school in the country that considers RPI and how good their competition is. We WERE NOT GOOD last year...other coaches don't want to travel to Athens to play a 10-20 team, just like we don't want to travel somewhere to play a bottom feeder Jackson State team...who's current RPI is better than ours was last year. +1 Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 7:03:02 PM  OUBobcat13 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: This home schedule isn't great and that was made clear well before the season started. I wasn't expecting it to be either. Get some winning game experience under this group's belt then schedule stronger in 2016 and even stronger in 2017. It's a process. Who would you all prefer we have on our OOC schedule this season? This has been discussed time and time again. I personally would rather this young team be 8-3 and learning to play together and build some confidence than be 3-8 and yelling at each other. And what is the incentive for better teams to travel to Athens? We finished last year with an RPI of 230. Why would top 150 RPI team want to come to Athens and risk a loss to a sub 200 team? Lastly, as of today our ESPN Daily RPI sits at 127. If we would have brought in your choices, where would we be? I don't know, but Saul has said time and time again, he is building a program. To do that, you lay a foundation. If we finish with an RPI of 150 this year with a 15-15 record, perhaps other coaches might say "Hmm, yea that could be a good game". I swear, some of you think OHIO is the only school in the country that considers RPI and how good their competition is. We WERE NOT GOOD last year...other coaches don't want to travel to Athens to play a 10-20 team, just like we don't want to travel somewhere to play a bottom feeder Jackson State team...who's current RPI is better than ours was last year. While I agree with most of what you said it would be nice to have one home game a year to get the fanbase enthused. It doesn't have to be an elite team but it should be someone like an MVC team. Right now Marshall is our marquee game and normally that would be fine but it was even hard getting up for that this year. Considering how bad we were last year the schedule we have isn't surprising though. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/22/2015 10:45:42 PM  OUBobcat13 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: This home schedule isn't great and that was made clear well before the season started. I wasn't expecting it to be either. Get some winning game experience under this group's belt then schedule stronger in 2016 and even stronger in 2017. It's a process. Who would you all prefer we have on our OOC schedule this season? This has been discussed time and time again. I personally would rather this young team be 8-3 and learning to play together and build some confidence than be 3-8 and yelling at each other. And what is the incentive for better teams to travel to Athens? We finished last year with an RPI of 230. Why would top 150 RPI team want to come to Athens and risk a loss to a sub 200 team? Lastly, as of today our ESPN Daily RPI sits at 127. If we would have brought in your choices, where would we be? I don't know, but Saul has said time and time again, he is building a program. To do that, you lay a foundation. If we finish with an RPI of 150 this year with a 15-15 record, perhaps other coaches might say "Hmm, yea that could be a good game". I swear, some of you think OHIO is the only school in the country that considers RPI and how good their competition is. We WERE NOT GOOD last year...other coaches don't want to travel to Athens to play a 10-20 team, just like we don't want to travel somewhere to play a bottom feeder Jackson State team...who's current RPI is better than ours was last year. The discussion needs go no further than this. If in two years it has not changed - well then everybody can start the complaining with a legitimate gripe....... RS Bobcat Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,452 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/23/2015 8:47:16 AM  OUBobcat13 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: This home schedule isn't great and that was made clear well before the season started. I wasn't expecting it to be either. Get some winning game experience under this group's belt then schedule stronger in 2016 and even stronger in 2017. It's a process. Who would you all prefer we have on our OOC schedule this season? This has been discussed time and time again. I personally would rather this young team be 8-3 and learning to play together and build some confidence than be 3-8 and yelling at each other. And what is the incentive for better teams to travel to Athens? We finished last year with an RPI of 230. Why would top 150 RPI team want to come to Athens and risk a loss to a sub 200 team? Lastly, as of today our ESPN Daily RPI sits at 127. If we would have brought in your choices, where would we be? I don't know, but Saul has said time and time again, he is building a program. To do that, you lay a foundation. If we finish with an RPI of 150 this year with a 15-15 record, perhaps other coaches might say "Hmm, yea that could be a good game". I swear, some of you think OHIO is the only school in the country that considers RPI and how good their competition is. We WERE NOT GOOD last year...other coaches don't want to travel to Athens to play a 10-20 team, just like we don't want to travel somewhere to play a bottom feeder Jackson State team...who's current RPI is better than ours was last year. Did I not just say the same thing you did? Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,903 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/23/2015 9:29:12 AM  This schedule was clearly arraigned to pad the W column for this coach. He wanted to have a W increase over LY, which is attainable now. With LY W's at 10 he should beat that by at least 5 and that would put the program at .500 for the year. Everyone will feel good about the improvement and the excitement will build going into 2016-17. Now this strategy is one used by many coaches in our league as well as others so while I do not favorite I understand why it's done. GO BOBCATS Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Wins are nice but this OOC home schedule is terrible    Posted: 12/23/2015 10:52:16 AM  There need to be at least a couple of quite tough games. Growing this group and building confidence with W's is okay. But we need to play in some true tough in order to know what that's like and to see the level of ball that we need to get to consistently. Can't grow and get better playing entire ooc sched of weakness. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! 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