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Didn't we just have this conversation? never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,223 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/17/2016 5:22:31 PM  bornacatfan wrote: http://www.thestarpress.com/story/opinion/contributors/20... / Could be any mid major but good article nonetheless... Didn't we just have this conversation? Sure did and sure have. The thing I find interesting about his article is the implication that the folks in the community owe it to someone to show up. He does a good job of laying guilt on his readers in the local community. Last Edited: 2/17/2016 6:04:27 PM by Alan Swank Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/17/2016 5:30:46 PM  This sounds like a repeat of conversations that have taken place on this board for sure. I found one thing to be odd in this writing: When talking about past successful players, not one single mention of Bonzi Wells, or the really good Cardinal teams under Rick Majerus. Do they have the same problem at BSU that we have where we don't embrace our greats from the past nearly well enough? Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/17/2016 7:21:14 PM  OU_Country wrote: This sounds like a repeat of conversations that have taken place on this board for sure. I found one thing to be odd in this writing: When talking about past successful players, not one single mention of Bonzi Wells, or the really good Cardinal teams under Rick Majerus. Do they have the same problem at BSU that we have where we don't embrace our greats from the past nearly well enough? He probably didn't want to have them compare today's players with the greats from the past. I found it odd that he didn't mention any of their current players by name. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,061 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/17/2016 8:18:05 PM  I'd be much more interested in an article about the poor relations between Ball State and Muncie that he decides to not talk about. He does mention "excesses" at Ball State. Hmmmmm..... 6:30 PM on Friday? Uhg..... Last Edited: 2/17/2016 8:19:17 PM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/17/2016 8:59:53 PM  OUVan wrote: OU_Country wrote: This sounds like a repeat of conversations that have taken place on this board for sure. I found one thing to be odd in this writing: When talking about past successful players, not one single mention of Bonzi Wells, or the really good Cardinal teams under Rick Majerus. Do they have the same problem at BSU that we have where we don't embrace our greats from the past nearly well enough? He probably didn't want to have them compare today's players with the greats from the past. I found it odd that he didn't mention any of their current players by name. That's too bad. They've got some good looking players on the current roster. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,223 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/17/2016 9:33:02 PM  Ohio69 wrote: I'd be much more interested in an article about the poor relations between Ball State and Muncie that he decides to not talk about. He does mention "excesses" at Ball State. Hmmmmm..... 6:30 PM on Friday? Uhg..... Anything for TV. As long as these folks are willing to drink the Koolaid and support it with their tax dollars, this is the crap we'll get. And a senior education major told me today she'll graduate in April with 60K of debt. Not a whole lot different than the "bankers" in The Big Short. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/18/2016 6:42:15 PM  Ohio69 wrote: I'd be much more interested in an article about the poor relations between Ball State and Muncie that he decides to not talk about. He does mention "excesses" at Ball State. Hmmmmm..... 6:30 PM on Friday? Uhg..... There is most definitely a town and gown vibe. The factories and the university for years have had a huge disconnect on one hand but those same factories have produced some of the most ardent fans in the stands. Part of the loss in attendance has been some of my friends in those factories that have had to move elsewhere for employment. Delco Remy, Thompson Electronics, Warner Gear, Chrysler, Dana Corp, General Motors are among the places Balls fans came from...all gone now and those fans of 20 years ago are gone as well. Oddly enough the vibe of the University being a seperate entity from Muncie still exists. Never felt that in Athens ...in fact the "Townies" alluded to that I met ....wore the green and white proudly. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/18/2016 7:33:55 PM  Alan Swank wrote: bornacatfan wrote: http://www.thestarpress.com/story/opinion/contributors/20... / Could be any mid major but good article nonetheless... Didn't we just have this conversation? Sure did and sure have. The thing I find interesting about his article is the implication that the folks in the community owe it to someone to show up. He does a good job of laying guilt on his readers in the local community. I didn't really get a guilt trip vibe. I agree that no one is obliged to go to sporting events. I have a lot of friends and family who simply don't care for athletics. What I do find pathetic and annoying is people favoring - with dollars and eyeballs - other DI programs in places like Athens and Muncie. A bar owner in Athens putting out a Buckeye flag or a local driving up to Columbus for a game when one is happening in Peden is garbage to me. Just like I think it's pathetic that Cleveland State can't draw flies here but if Ohio State played a game in Cleveland it would sell out. Mid-major programs represent institutions that provide economic and cultural vitality in each of their respective cities. In the case of Athens and Oxford, the schools are the raison d'etre for each city. To be sure, programs aren't "owed" fans, but I don't buy a single excuse (I've heard them all) from people who love sports but can't be bothered to support their own school or the university that is directly or indirectly paying their salary. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,223 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/18/2016 7:41:59 PM  bornacatfan wrote: Ohio69 wrote: I'd be much more interested in an article about the poor relations between Ball State and Muncie that he decides to not talk about. He does mention "excesses" at Ball State. Hmmmmm..... 6:30 PM on Friday? Uhg..... There is most definitely a town and gown vibe. The factories and the university for years have had a huge disconnect on one hand but those same factories have produced some of the most ardent fans in the stands. Part of the loss in attendance has been some of my friends in those factories that have had to move elsewhere for employment. Delco Remy, Thompson Electronics, Warner Gear, Chrysler, Dana Corp, General Motors are among the places Balls fans came from...all gone now and those fans of 20 years ago are gone as well. Oddly enough the vibe of the University being a seperate entity from Muncie still exists. Never felt that in Athens ...in fact the "Townies" alluded to that I met ....wore the green and white proudly. Good points Tom but the difference is those companies never existed in Athens so no one ever left. OU has always been the number one employer in town and it grows every year. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting appeal to Balls fans    Posted: 2/18/2016 11:27:03 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Good points Tom but the difference is those companies never existed in Athens so no one ever left. OU has always been the number one employer in town and it grows every year. That was kind of my point. The town and gown disconnect that exists here with the factories and higher education was never something I felt in Athens. As 69 pointed out and is commonly acknowledged we have a schism here between the populace and the University that goes back to the perceived class distinction engendered by the original Ball brothers, extended family and the other manufacturers like Kitsleman's and others that lived here. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... 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