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71 BOBCAT
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Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/17/2016 11:20:25 AM

Now that we are at the season's mid point along with some conference play I thought I would give my assessment of the team.
As of 1/17/2016;
1)It is becoming clear that there is a lot of improvement that is needed.
2)There is a big difference of the level of competition between our OOC schedule, 9-3 record, and that of the MAC, 1-3.
3)Playing on the road continues to be a problem, conference record so far 0-2.
4)Our D is suspect, we just can't seem to stop people.
5)Player consistency on O needs improvement.
6)We continue to find ways to loose, last night it was through fouling. Other games it was with turnovers.
7)Weak bench play

My predictions for the balance of the year:
1) With 14 games remaining, 7 home and 7 on the road, I project our road record at 2-5 and at home 3-4, which would yield an overall record for the year at 15-15.
I am not making any comments for the conference tournament as I don't believe we would get very far at all.

A look at next year;
1)Basically the team we have is what we will see next year. This remains a concern as we really only have 1 point guard, the most important position in the college game.
2)Can we improve if we still have the same players? Maybe.

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Last Edited: 1/17/2016 11:23:37 AM by 71 BOBCAT

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/17/2016 11:27:18 AM

Question, does the soft non-conference schedule help or hurt? Yeah we took some confidence from that, but how far does that go? How many games does that last? Or is the goal to get to any type of post season event.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/17/2016 3:45:24 PM

Maybe that is a question for the Bobcat Caravans. May just be to get home games. Hard to get comp to the Convo. Not sure about the whys but going to the Sprint Center in KC to get P5 comp may not be such a hot idea after all. Early tourneys get a chance to see some bigger comp if you win vs Fl St and such.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/17/2016 4:11:27 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

I think it hurt. I understand why the coaches did it but it was an awful home schedule, way too soft. I understand wanting to win games and get confidence but most of those teams were awful and didn't prepare Ohio for the MAC at all. You don't improve by beating inferior competition. That said, OU is a win away from turning this around and I think it'll happen vs WMU.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/19/2016 1:08:13 PM

This thread is kind of funny. We all bad mouthed the guys playing non D1 comp who have beaten us (I guess those teams prepared them). The low level D1 teams we played had to be as good as those non D1 teams so we should have been as ready as we could be. I think it is just a matter of the MAC competition being much better than anyone (fans, coaches and players) thought it would be.

Although some will blast me, I continue to believe success is built on getting MORE BETTER players to Ohio (my same old story from football). Once there, a good coach can coach them up. Our problem so far, just like FB,is I am not sure Saul has gotten as good or better players than some of the previous coaches. Looking at the new Frosh, I am not sure we get to the promised land with them. But, I know, the jury is still out and time will tell. .

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/19/2016 1:33:40 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

I think it helped and hurt. The wins were nice and Ohio was acclimating a lot of new guys to the lineup. The competition they faced is what the team needed at the point. Sprinkle in the FGCU, Tulsa, FSU, Marshall and St Bonaventure games and I think the schedule was a lot better than people are making it out to be. Those teams may not be top caliber teams, but for this team, this year it was a good enough mix.

But it hurt a little bit because I think the sense of urgency on the defensive end was never shown at any point in the OOC schedule. I'm reminded of the Tulsa game where Ohio had total control. All it needed was a few stops, hell one stop, on the defensive end and the game is over. They just couldn't do it. I thought they might learn from that by now, but maybe they still haven't.

I'm not ready to grade them or predict anything for the 2nd half. They are about where I thought they would be. If they went out and beat Akron or Toledo by 20 and then lose to Central or Miami by 15 I wouldn't be shocked. It's going to be an up an down year. Saul has stated that many times.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/19/2016 4:17:52 PM

Why are we still debating the schedule so much? I think in terms of who we played, it wasn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be compared to the rest of the MAC.

The only thing in the thread thus far I agree with is the concerns about a 1 slash 2 guard after Simmons and Dartis. I'd hope that's part of the recruiting effort come April. Would Culver help a lot with that if they could get him?

I'd also speculate that the odds are there that someone not getting the PT they'd like will transfer. I could be wrong, but it just seems more than 50/50 it could happen. If so, that opens another scholly. If not, the five frosh are gonna get better. I don't doubt that, and that will make a difference.

Last Edited: 1/20/2016 9:09:13 AM by OU_Country

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/19/2016 4:21:07 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How do you improve by getting your teeth knocked in by a good team?

I have never and will never understand this "scheduling makes you a better/worse team" stuff. I played sports, not at the collegiate level but sports through high school. You are who you are. I'm failing to see how beating a bad team somehow makes you worse than you would have been if you played and got shelled by a good team. You're the same team either way. The difference is going to be in the W-L column and your confidence level. A really good team is going to be a really good team either way, and vice versa. All this "we shoulda scheduled harder" sounds good on a message board, but in reality what difference would it make? Instead of a 9-3 NC schedule, say we go 5-7 or 6-6. Does that make Kenny Kaminski a more consistent shooter? Does it lessen Jaaron Simmons' turnovers? Does it make Tony less likely to commit bad fouls? Please, explain.

Last Edited: 1/19/2016 4:21:52 PM by 100%Cat

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/19/2016 5:20:32 PM

I agree, getting the crap beat out of you doesn't make you a better team, but it certainly MAY make you worse!

One personal example is back in my high school FB playing days when we had a pre season scrimmage with Cincinnati Moeller (the good old days when they were one of the top 5-10 in the country). They gave us the proverbial old butt kicking and I mean a bad one...I can't even remember and don't even wanna remember the score. We had a decent team returning that year but after that experience we were never the same and lost any and all confidence. I won't even mention our final record but I do believe had we not scrimmaged them we would have had a somewhat better record!

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/19/2016 11:00:48 PM

half way/schmaff way

qtr way into MAC season

Anything could happen this year in the MAC

No matter who any of dem played pre MAC season

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/19/2016 11:13:13 PM

I am kind of ambivalent ...I think you need to play a good club in order to assess and point toward excellence. Going up against a North Carolina, Florida, Maryland, all make you better and set a benchmark. Butler, Zags, Shockers, X have all set their benchmarks and took on aggressive schedules in order to move the program forward. YOu can't be a sacrificial lamb but you need to mark progress and assess. This year the schedule had to be soft to get a new coach and a new roster experience. THe flip side is 2012 should have been a tough schedule as those players were then end of a recruiting cycle.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/19/2016 11:21:50 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Bingo - BANG

How many minutes did a Senior play tonight, or anyone that has been on the active roster more than one year? Or all year for that matter?

Next year totally different story - we should expect a bit of a step up in Non-Con schedule - but not a suicide wish Non-Con schedule.....

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/20/2016 3:24:54 AM

Need to play some tough-competition games. The idea in this is not to get thoroughly whupped. That would be pointless. The idea is that we probably lose, perhaps somewhat decisively. But we get experience playing at a high level.

I think the women in the NCAAs last year vs. Arizona State (right?) lost in part because ASU wasn't all that much better than us...but they were used to playing at a higher level of competition.

I'm a combo of green kool-aid and realism. Without having seen any of the action...so, with only reading stats and comments here, I'm predicting that we're quite good next year, absolutely contending for the MAC championship.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/20/2016 9:27:25 AM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

3)Playing on the road continues to be a problem, conference record so far 0-2.

I think one mistake we made this year was playing only one true road game OOC.

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Posted: 1/20/2016 10:15:58 AM

For the guys complaining about playing some competitive games, let's put this to bed a little. We've played 4 teams in the RPI Top 150 (FSU, Tulsa, St. Bonnie, Marshall), plus FGCU, who would have been expected to be there at 182.

Are Florida State, Tulsa, St Bonnie all bad teams? Yeah, the rest of the schedule was a pretty weak schedule after Marshall, Tennessee State and FGCU and the three top 100 teams above. So 6 of the 12 non-conf games were solid, the rest weren't even close. How many more "tough" games do you all want? Two? Five?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI

OUVan wrote:

71 BOBCAT wrote:

3)Playing on the road continues to be a problem, conference record so far 0-2.

I think one mistake we made this year was playing only one true road game OOC.

I can get behind this concept as well.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/20/2016 10:28:41 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

I agree - when it comes to scheduling, there's a fine line. Going to Kansas, Duke, or Louisville to lose by 30 isn't useful. Going to NC State, or Butler, or LSU, or some more middle of the road school power conf school ON THE ROAD, twice in a non-conf schedule is useful unless you're already playing in a holiday tournament where you're playing FSU and Tulsa or the like. Based on what Saul said a month back, or something like that, we won't see a schedule like this again in future years. Getting a couple more better (RPI top 200) games at home, and 1-2 true road contests is all I'd adjust from this year's schedule.

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Posted: 1/20/2016 5:31:16 PM

When you play a better schedule it helps you recruit. Do you think that better players want to play against better comp or weaker comp? In the Snyder era we played as many as 5 Big Ten teams in a year. Look at those schedules and those teams. I know it's a different era but if you want to improve you can't hide from good competition. If we have to go on the road, so be it. If you do it consistently you'll see the results.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/20/2016 8:14:42 PM

giacomo wrote:

2 of those Big Ten teams would be in the Convo. Would love to do that now. But it's suicide to play all 5 on the road which is what we would be looking at today.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/21/2016 12:04:17 PM

Five is not realistic. I think playing three Big Ten teams or WVU or Pitt on the road every year would be good.

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Posted: 1/21/2016 1:21:09 PM

giacomo wrote:

Five is not realistic. I think playing three Big Ten teams or WVU or Pitt on the road every year would be good.

The trick is getting them to agree to that. I'd guess they would not.

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Posted: 1/21/2016 3:14:30 PM

giacomo wrote:

Five is not realistic. I think playing three Big Ten teams or WVU or Pitt on the road every year would be good.

We differ. I'm not playing anybody in their gym without them being willing to come to mine. The exception is playing in a Senior's hometown. I'll be happy to play those three in a neutral setting. Give me a home and home with Northern Iowa or UMass.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/21/2016 3:53:30 PM

giacomo wrote:

That strategy isn't working for Miami.

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Posted: 1/21/2016 4:29:56 PM

OUVan wrote:

giacomo wrote:

Five is not realistic. I think playing three Big Ten teams or WVU or Pitt on the road every year would be good.

I agree with you Van to a certain degree. I'm perfectly fine if Saul would choose to play two road games at "P5" schools every year, or someone like Gonzaga, or UC, Memphis, etc. Some of them could be a great excuse for a road trip!

Past that, I agree next tier conferences like MVC,MWC, A10, AAC. CAA, Summit, Horizon, C-USA, Ivy have a bunch of teams that would be good games as well where home and home is more likely. The key some fans need to remember is OUr program also has to be in a position where we aren't an RPI drain on the opponent just like we say about schools on our schedule.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/21/2016 4:52:08 PM

OU_Country wrote:

OUVan wrote:

giacomo wrote:

Five is not realistic. I think playing three Big Ten teams or WVU or Pitt on the road every year would be good.

I also think we need to avoid playing more than one game against a MEAC or SWAC level team. Sometimes you can't help playing some teams with bad RPIs (Marshall this year) but you can't play five or six that are best case scenario around 180. Schedule 1 bunny.

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RE: Half Way Point Status Report

Posted: 1/22/2016 9:57:30 AM

Looking back at old schedules. 2011-2012 was an interesting year, given where the team ended up. Clearly, it was challenging enough to test the Bobcats for the postseason. A Sweet 16 trip proves that. Very tough road schedule and pretty soft home schedule.

Home games against UT Martin, Lamar, Arkansas St., Morgan St., Marietta, N.C. A&T, Kennesaw St., Robert Morris, UNC Asheville

Road games at Louisville, Marshall, Oakland, Portland, Wright St., N. Iowa

This is the kind of road schedule I'd like to see again moving forward. Maybe a couple upgrades on the home slate from this.

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