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Here's a criticism: -- Standing and shouting when something exciting happens or might be about to happen: Totally OK! -- Participating in arena-wide cheering (defense, clap-clap, OU/Oh Yeah, etc.): Also, great! -- Loudly, repeatedly saying "defense" "let's go D" "let's go cats" and "go Ohio" 10 or so times each possession, loudly enough for 5 rows around you to hear but not in a way that other people could participate or join in: Me thinks you might have Tourette's and should see someone about your problem. I already realize I'm going to get a few responses about this from people saying that fan participation is good, and IN THEORY I totally agree with you, but you don't understand. I'm talking SNL-skit levels of repetition of those same 4... cheers, I guess I'll call them. Additionally, the same middle age gentleman had such a freak out about a call at the end of the game that was meaningless (well after Winning Team/Losing Team had been done) that I really thought he might have an aneurysm or burst a vein. TL;DR - A simple reminder, there are other people around you trying to enjoy the game too. Don't be a doofus. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,223 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/22/2016 2:54:02 PM  HeHateMiami wrote: I saw my first live game this weekend, and while it was a great game and great atmosphere for the most part. Here's a criticism: -- Standing and shouting when something exciting happens or might be about to happen: Totally OK! -- Participating in arena-wide cheering (defense, clap-clap, OU/Oh Yeah, etc.): Also, great! -- Loudly, repeatedly saying "defense" "let's go D" "let's go cats" and "go Ohio" 10 or so times each possession, loudly enough for 5 rows around you to hear but not in a way that other people could participate or join in: Me thinks you might have Tourette's and should see someone about your problem. I already realize I'm going to get a few responses about this from people saying that fan participation is good, and IN THEORY I totally agree with you, but you don't understand. I'm talking SNL-skit levels of repetition of those same 4... cheers, I guess I'll call them. Additionally, the same middle age gentleman had such a freak out about a call at the end of the game that was meaningless (well after Winning Team/Losing Team had been done) that I really thought he might have an aneurysm or burst a vein. TL;DR - A simple reminder, there are other people around you trying to enjoy the game too. Don't be a doofus. Good thing you didn't sit in section 3 a few years back when for about four years this old lady who sat in the first row of the gold seats drove the entire section crazy with her incessant yelling and screaming. What a relief when she quit coming. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/22/2016 3:15:06 PM  Encountered a bit of that when we played in the pre-season tournament in Vegas a few years back. An Ohio fan near us griped on even the most obviously correct fouls/calls against us. Not helpful. If I'm a ref and I know that I made a correct call and there's grousing, I probably then don't listen to grousing when it's appropriate. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,470 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/22/2016 3:24:00 PM  Alan Swank wrote: HeHateMiami wrote: I saw my first live game this weekend, and while it was a great game and great atmosphere for the most part. Here's a criticism: -- Standing and shouting when something exciting happens or might be about to happen: Totally OK! -- Participating in arena-wide cheering (defense, clap-clap, OU/Oh Yeah, etc.): Also, great! -- Loudly, repeatedly saying "defense" "let's go D" "let's go cats" and "go Ohio" 10 or so times each possession, loudly enough for 5 rows around you to hear but not in a way that other people could participate or join in: Me thinks you might have Tourette's and should see someone about your problem. I already realize I'm going to get a few responses about this from people saying that fan participation is good, and IN THEORY I totally agree with you, but you don't understand. I'm talking SNL-skit levels of repetition of those same 4... cheers, I guess I'll call them. Additionally, the same middle age gentleman had such a freak out about a call at the end of the game that was meaningless (well after Winning Team/Losing Team had been done) that I really thought he might have an aneurysm or burst a vein. TL;DR - A simple reminder, there are other people around you trying to enjoy the game too. Don't be a doofus. Good thing you didn't sit in section 3 a few years back when for about four years this old lady who sat in the first row of the gold seats drove the entire section crazy with her incessant yelling and screaming. What a relief when she quit coming. But she really wanted coach to put Bridge in! Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/22/2016 4:16:22 PM  I applaud anyone fighting against the "glare at people who stand up and cheer" culture. It is much worse in Peden than in the Convo. The unwillingness to stand on 3rd down is unbelievable. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top GroverBall General User Member Since: 12/3/2012 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,281 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/22/2016 4:29:19 PM  HeHateMiami wrote: I saw my first live game this weekend, and while it was a great game and great atmosphere for the most part. Here's a criticism: -- Standing and shouting when something exciting happens or might be about to happen: Totally OK! -- Participating in arena-wide cheering (defense, clap-clap, OU/Oh Yeah, etc.): Also, great! -- Loudly, repeatedly saying "defense" "let's go D" "let's go cats" and "go Ohio" 10 or so times each possession, loudly enough for 5 rows around you to hear but not in a way that other people could participate or join in: Me thinks you might have Tourette's and should see someone about your problem. I already realize I'm going to get a few responses about this from people saying that fan participation is good, and IN THEORY I totally agree with you, but you don't understand. I'm talking SNL-skit levels of repetition of those same 4... cheers, I guess I'll call them. Additionally, the same middle age gentleman had such a freak out about a call at the end of the game that was meaningless (well after Winning Team/Losing Team had been done) that I really thought he might have an aneurysm or burst a vein. TL;DR - A simple reminder, there are other people around you trying to enjoy the game too. Don't be a doofus. I'm just sorry you waited so long to see your first live game! Hope you don't have to wait so long for your second. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/22/2016 11:16:12 PM  The Optimist wrote: I applaud anyone fighting against the "glare at people who stand up and cheer" culture. It is much worse in Peden than in the Convo. The unwillingness to stand on 3rd down is unbelievable. +9,000 and +24,000 RS Bobcat Back to Top lovebobcat General User Member Since: 12/23/2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 521 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/22/2016 11:18:34 PM  I was thinking about fan participation after attending the game Saturday. I really applaud the students over the past 15 years of cultivating the O-Zone into an organized entity and doing a good job getting cheers going. It's not Duke, and we're never going to intimidate an opposing team, but it's much better than when I was a student in the early '90s. And the band also does a nice job of filling in the gaps. It's always going to be hard to get folks in the rest of the building to join in, but when a game is close then many join in. Again, kudos to all those students who have really brought organization and spirit to things over the years. I'd love to be a student today and be down there with them! Back to Top FanInTheStands General User Member Since: 10/11/2015 Post Count: 176 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/23/2016 9:22:25 AM  We sit in Sect. 226 and always stand and wave our flags, glow sticks, etc for Ohio. We might be "old farts" but we do our best, even though we may be in the upper ring, to cheer on the Bobcats. I recall we had a "confrontation" a few years ago when someone sitting behind us took issue with our standing for defense at the start of the game. The more this individual yelled for "down in front" the more the group in front of him stood. (I don't recall the opponent but this was one of those rare occasions where we were standing well past the first media timeout). We found out later this man had attended very few Ohio games in the past and didn't totally understand what we were doing. After we (me and several others in our section) had a "face-to-face" explanation with him he calmed down for the remainder of the game. My point is this...regardless of where one is sitting in The Convo there is no excuse for not doing whatever needs to be done to support the Bobcats. Standing, cheering, chanting...whatever. Having been a teacher for 35 years before retiring I can still bellow out my "teacher voice" with the best of 'em! Be part of the game experience! Go Bobcats!!! Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/23/2016 2:04:16 PM  FanInTheStands wrote: I recall we had a "confrontation" a few years ago when someone sitting behind us took issue with our standing for defense at the start of the game. The more this individual yelled for "down in front" the more the group in front of him stood. (I don't recall the opponent but this was one of those rare occasions where we were standing well past the first media timeout). ! I know I'm in the minority but "Stand for Defense" inevitably leads to "Sit down and groan when opponent scores". The latter sounds like defeat to me. I'd rather stand for OU to score. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,221 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/23/2016 2:25:57 PM  I don't think you're in the minority, a lot of us thing it is a weird tradition. I'm not as passionately opposed as some are to it, but I don't like it. Perhaps what bothers me most about it is I suspect about 50% of the building is secretly hoping for the opponent to score so they can sit down. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,223 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/23/2016 4:25:42 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: I don't think you're in the minority, a lot of us thing it is a weird tradition. I'm not as passionately opposed as some are to it, but I don't like it. Perhaps what bothers me most about it is I suspect about 50% of the building is secretly hoping for the opponent to score so they can sit down. Bingo! I know I am. If I'm an opposing player, I can't wait to make that first basket that makes all of those fans sit down. I'm still wondering who came up with this idea in the first place. Just simply dumb. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/23/2016 6:46:04 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Andrew Ruck wrote: I don't think you're in the minority, a lot of us thing it is a weird tradition. I'm not as passionately opposed as some are to it, but I don't like it. Perhaps what bothers me most about it is I suspect about 50% of the building is secretly hoping for the opponent to score so they can sit down. Bingo! I know I am. If I'm an opposing player, I can't wait to make that first basket that makes all of those fans sit down. I'm still wondering who came up with this idea in the first place. Just simply dumb. I hate it. I think borna said Schaus brought it over from Wichita State. I guess if that's his biggest sin in his time in Athens, we should be happy, but I won't miss it when it goes away. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/23/2016 6:52:42 PM  I was at the Miami game and thought the Ozone had its best game of the year by far. And though someone said we don't intimidate opponents, I think it has to be demoralizing for any other MAC team to come in and see a building with so many people who care about the team. Looking at the Miami kids, I had to wonder if they regretted where they chose to play just a little bit more that day. Maybe not, but the difference between the atmosphere in the Convo and the atmosphere in any other MAC arena is palpable. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/23/2016 9:59:30 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: I hate it. I think borna said Schaus brought it over from Wichita State. I guess if that's his biggest sin in his time in Athens, we should be happy, but I won't miss it when it goes away. I think I remember the discussion in 2010 or 11 but I do not know the origin or remember if OUr AD was responsible for the stand for defense. I don't think I ever heard the origin and don't remember commenting on that.... I am with ya on the standing. I often wondered if we would not do better standing for offense. Sitting down when WE make the first basket.. Agreed though....it is maddening, but if it the worst thing ...we can live with it for a while. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Parkersburgwvcat General User Member Since: 10/7/2014 Post Count: 109 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/23/2016 11:39:57 PM  Simply put ....WOW! Federal government worker? Homey just asking!!! Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 11:24:00 AM  bornacatfan wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: I hate it. I think borna said Schaus brought it over from Wichita State. I guess if that's his biggest sin in his time in Athens, we should be happy, but I won't miss it when it goes away. I think I remember the discussion in 2010 or 11 but I do not know the origin or remember if OUr AD was responsible for the stand for defense. I don't think I ever heard the origin and don't remember commenting on that.... I am with ya on the standing. I often wondered if we would not do better standing for offense. Sitting down when WE make the first basket.. Agreed though....it is maddening, but if it the worst thing ...we can live with it for a while. Hardly definitive, but a Google search suggests that it is (or was) indeed a Wichita State thing. It seems especially pointless and stupid to celebrate the defensive prowess of this team given performances like last night. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 11:31:30 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: bornacatfan wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: I hate it. I think borna said Schaus brought it over from Wichita State. I guess if that's his biggest sin in his time in Athens, we should be happy, but I won't miss it when it goes away. I think I remember the discussion in 2010 or 11 but I do not know the origin or remember if OUr AD was responsible for the stand for defense. I don't think I ever heard the origin and don't remember commenting on that.... I am with ya on the standing. I often wondered if we would not do better standing for offense. Sitting down when WE make the first basket.. Agreed though....it is maddening, but if it the worst thing ...we can live with it for a while. Hardly definitive, but a Google search suggests that it is (or was) indeed a Wichita State thing. It seems especially pointless and stupid to celebrate the defensive prowess of this team given performances like last night. A couple thoughts on that - first, this team isn't a defensive team by nature. Why continue to push that? Second - the idea is to get people up, get the fans excited and in the game from the start. Right? If so, this is no longer achieving that goal. How about we try something new that would accomplish that goal? Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 12:19:55 PM  OU_Country wrote: If so, this is no longer achieving that goal. How about we try something new that would accomplish that goal? Thanks RJ for finding that. I was about to go to Shockernet.net and take a look. I am assuming OUC that you are not proposing bringing back the 18:04 Freeze or anything similar. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 1:01:01 PM  I'm not a huge fan of it, but at the same time I don't think this is our biggest enemy. Just look at why this thread was started... Because people cheering was annoying. I'm baffled how the "cheering culture" got so hostile towards people trying to make noise. Before we worry about "stand for defense" in basketball lets address "don't stand on third down" in football. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 1:58:26 PM  bornacatfan wrote: OU_Country wrote: If so, this is no longer achieving that goal. How about we try something new that would accomplish that goal? Thanks RJ for finding that. I was about to go to Shockernet.net and take a look. I am assuming OUC that you are not proposing bringing back the 18:04 Freeze or anything similar. There could be worse things, but no, I wasn't proposing that. I think at UC they throw confetti in the air at the first made basket. Anything that engages people make noise and cheer more often and louder, and have more fun, I'm in favor of. I recall several years ago at UD Arena when many of the less young folks were up and dancin' and singing the YMCA during a media timeout. Most schools need more of that, Ohio included. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,223 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 7:52:18 PM  So I'll just put it out there. Lou - what if you didn't tell people to stand for defense? In other words, who says you have to do this? Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 9:02:47 PM  Stand for defense needs to be replaced. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 9:30:35 PM  Standing is standing - What does standing for standing sake accomplish? Make some friggin' noise - stand at will. Now "moving" does matter. On D - Maybe the chant needs to be "Move Your Feet, Don't Reach - Move Your Feet, Don't Reach"........ RS Bobcat Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,223 Status: Offline     RE: Fan Participation    Posted: 2/24/2016 10:04:07 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: Stand for defense needs to be replaced. Agreed Jeff but as long as people on here who have said it needs to go continue to stand, it will continue. I just don't do it any longer because it's a joke. 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