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CBS has Akron with a 34 RPI and Ohio at 81, which means losing to Ohio shouldn't hurt Akron's RPI that much. With SMU and L'ville ineligible for postseason, and 12 conferences with no team having an RPI less than 70, the RPI cutoff for the Dance would be around 58 (68+2-12). Akron could sneak in even with a loss to Ohio; losing to anybody else would probably keep them out, since the rest of the MAC is above 100 RPI. A lot depends on what happens in the other conf tourneys. If Ohio were to lose to Akron in the championship game, the NIT is a real possibility. Ohio has a good RPI, is a well-known program and is an interesting story with the turnaround from last year. Plus Ohio would be a good matchup with Mich and/or O$U, who will likely get NIT bids. Getting to the MACCG is important. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Eagle66 General User Member Since: 3/13/2005 Post Count: 1,329 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 11:42:20 AM  Pataskala wrote: Based on RPI, if Ohio beats Akron for the MAC championship, the MAC might get two bids to the NCAA. CBS has Akron with a 34 RPI and Ohio at 81, which means losing to Ohio shouldn't hurt Akron's RPI that much. With SMU and L'ville ineligible for postseason, and 12 conferences with no team having an RPI less than 70, the RPI cutoff for the Dance would be around 58 (68+2-12). Akron could sneak in even with a loss to Ohio; losing to anybody else would probably keep them out, since the rest of the MAC is above 100 RPI. A lot depends on what happens in the other conf tourneys. If Ohio were to lose to Akron in the championship game, the NIT is a real possibility. Ohio has a good RPI, is a well-known program and is an interesting story with the turnaround from last year. Plus Ohio would be a good matchup with Mich and/or O$U, who will likely get NIT bids. Getting to the MACCG is important. I don't think Akron has any chance at an at large bid. They are 0-1 against the top 50. Their best wins after Ohio are UCSB and Iona. Those are the only top 100 wins they have. Their best road win right now is at 16-14 Arkansas (RPI 111). I just don't see an at large resume, outside of a good RPI. Edit: For reference, the bottom of this link has the teams who made the NIT (and CBI / CIT) last year. http://bracketmatrix.com/nit Last Edited: 3/6/2016 12:07:38 PM by Eagle66 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,189 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 12:16:54 PM  From that site, the highest RPI schools not to make the NIT were #82 for the CIT and #89 for the CBI. There is a real chance of Ohio making the NIT if they make the MAC Final. CUSA and Horizon I can't see scoring at large bids to the NIT this year with the way those conferences are ranked. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top bigtillyoopsupsideurhead General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 1,926 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 12:49:28 PM  RPI is only a small portion of the selection process, not anywhere close to the most important factor. Akron has 0% chance at an at-large bid, especially with another loss. Here's a link to the bracketmatrix which combs all bracket sites out there: http://www.bracketmatrix.com / They are about 11 spots out right now, no room to make that up by going 2-1 in the MAC tournament. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 12:59:12 PM  bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote: RPI is only a small portion of the selection process, not anywhere close to the most important factor. Akron has 0% chance at an at-large bid, especially with another loss. Here's a link to the bracketmatrix which combs all bracket sites out there: http://www.bracketmatrix.com / They are about 11 spots out right now, no room to make that up by going 2-1 in the MAC tournament. Excellent resource bt. I laughed the other day when I read the Kron board and the comments regarding At Large spots. The committee really punishes you for the scheduling... Shaheen and the guys who have been inside the room keep saying it and certain schools keep ignoring it. Even with our AD in the room there is not a chance never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,189 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 1:03:21 PM  Akron was only 13-5 in the MAC. With an undefeated conference record or one loss they'd have a more compelling resume. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,439 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 1:30:54 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: Akron was only 13-5 in the MAC. With an undefeated conference record or one loss they'd have a more compelling resume. But if the committee reads the Dispatch, that undefeated record might just.........oh, wait. "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,470 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 4:14:56 PM  bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote: RPI is only a small portion of the selection process, not anywhere close to the most important factor. Akron has 0% chance at an at-large bid, especially with another loss. Here's a link to the bracketmatrix which combs all bracket sites out there: http://www.bracketmatrix.com / They are about 11 spots out right now, no room to make that up by going 2-1 in the MAC tournament. RPI is exactly as important as the committee wants it to be when it justifies the team they want. Back to Top stub General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 996 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 5:08:46 PM  I've heard that there's no computer once they get to the final pool and rpi is not considered. They're interested in how good are the teams you beat and where you beat them, bad losses to non-tourney teams, and how that all matches up with the other teams being considered. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,061 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 6:05:50 PM  Vegas 16 is way better than the resource sucking NIT, CBI, and CIT. A MAC team as an at large? That's a good one..... Last Edited: 3/6/2016 6:06:11 PM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 7:48:32 PM  Ohio69 wrote: Vegas 16 is way better than the resource sucking NIT, CBI, and CIT. A MAC team as an at large? That's a good one..... It isn't "A MAC team as an at large" that is the problem... It is "An undeserving team as an at-large" that is the problem... Akron doesn't have the quality wins... Should a MAC team have the full resume, the MAC will get the at-large. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,903 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 8:20:03 PM  The Optimist has articulated this topic correctly. Akron always scheduled cream puffs in their OOC schedule. Also, because I can't help myself....,did anyone see their box score against Kent on Friday? McAdams went 0-8 from 3. As some great philosopher stated..."YOU LIVE BY THE 3 YOU DIE BY THE 3". GO BOBCATS Back to Top lovebobcat General User Member Since: 12/23/2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 521 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 8:40:47 PM  When was the last MAC at-large? Wasn't it way back in the '90s? As for RPI, I remember that in 1994-95 (Trent's last year) Ohio had about a 43 RPI, plus impressive non-conference wins over Ohio State and Virginia, but didn't get in. For the MAC to get an at-large, it will need someone to be in the top 35-40 and have several impressive high-RPI victories on its resume. No way it happens this year with Kron. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,470 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 8:46:35 PM  lovebobcat wrote: When was the last MAC at-large? Wasn't it way back in the '90s? As for RPI, I remember that in 1994-95 (Trent's last year) Ohio had about a 43 RPI, plus impressive non-conference wins over Ohio State and Virginia, but didn't get in. For the MAC to get an at-large, it will need someone to be in the top 35-40 and have several impressive high-RPI victories on its resume. No way it happens this year with Kron. Remember that ohio state was awful then. we were expected to win that game. Virginia, GW and NMSU were all better wins than osu. Even WVU was a better win and many of our MAC wins. Back to Top PhiTau74 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Columbia, SC Post Count: 457 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 8:55:07 PM  And then there's the fact that Akron has NEVER won a game in the NCAA tournament. Back to Top Lande71 General User Member Since: 9/19/2010 Post Count: 275 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 9:13:48 PM  lovebobcat wrote: When was the last MAC at-large? Wasn't it way back in the '90s? As for RPI, I remember that in 1994-95 (Trent's last year) Ohio had about a 43 RPI, plus impressive non-conference wins over Ohio State and Virginia, but didn't get in. For the MAC to get an at-large, it will need someone to be in the top 35-40 and have several impressive high-RPI victories on its resume. No way it happens this year with Kron. I'm "guessing" the last at-large was Miami with Wally. Seems to me Miami also had someone on the selection committee. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,221 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 9:25:45 PM  Every time this topic comes up, there is the inevitable "haha yeah right, oh no this again, yada yada" responses. The thing people don't understand is the majority of the time, the team we are discussing ends up winning the tourney and we never find out if they would've received the at-large. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top bobcat28 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: United States Post Count: 808 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 9:25:58 PM  Akron has as much chance at getting an at large as our Managers team does. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 9:35:38 PM  This is the BS of the selection process. In the past, an RPI of 40 or less got you in if you were a P5 conference member. Then, when a few non P5 schools got the RPI of less than 40 the genius selectors decided to say it was strength of schedule, or last 10 games or whatever they could find to limit mid majors. I would say if you have an RPI of 34, you deserve to be in, I don't care if you are from the BIGG or MAC or any other conference. Back to Top Steve General User Member Since: 12/1/2005 Post Count: 710 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/6/2016 9:41:13 PM  I believe the last at-large was Miami and Wally when they lost to Kent in the title game. The 98-99 season? That was the first season Kent was good. I think that was the last season the tournament was in Toledo. Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/7/2016 11:39:48 AM  The MAC peaked in the late 90s.....they went back-to-back years with two teams 1999 - Kent, Miami 1998 - EMU, WMU Other than that, there have only been three other MAC at-large teams: 1995 - Miami (beat Arizona in 1st Rd.....4-3 in OCC....16-2 in MAC...lost MAC Semis) 1986 - Miami (16-2 in MAC....5-3 OCC....lost MAC finals)* 1985 - Miami (3-4 in OOC....13-5 in MAC....lost in MAC Finals to Ohio)* * had Ron Harper 1999 Miami (at-large) was 22-7. 5-3 in OOC Ws (at Notre Dame, vs. Tennessee, vs. Dayton, San Diego (N), Boston U) Ls (at Xavier, at UW-Green Bay, Fresno St (N)) 15-3 in MAC & lost MAC title game Had superstar in Wally Advanced to Sweet 16 1998 WMU (at-large) was 20-7, 6-2 in OOC Ws (at Michigan, vs. Indiana St, at Milwaukee, vs. Chicago St, Wright St, Charlotte (N)) Ls (at Detroit, Indiana (N)) 14-4 in MAC & lost in 1st Rd MAC tourney Beat Clemson in 1st Rd Tourney All this shows me is that CBB is a much, much different game now. Way more teams and way more balance in the Power leagues. You now see B1G and Big East and ACC getting 7 or 8 teams in....that didn't used to be the case. Those MAC at-large teams didn't have great OOC wins or even records. If anyone in MAC put up exactly same numbers as WMU did in 1998 they wouldn't even be on the radar for an at-large bid. They beat an unranked Michigan team on the road in the season opener....that was their best win?!? The reality is the MAC is a one-bid league unless they catch lightning in a bottle with a team. Someone would have to not only load up their schedule....they would have to get 2-3 marquee wins......at least 1 or 2 of them on the road (or worst case neutral site)......crack the Top 25.....stay there almost all season.....probably go no worse than 16-2 in the MAC.....and then lost in MAC title game. That's asking a lot! Ohio had an opportunity to do that following the Sweet 16 season.....but loss at Oklahoma, at Memphis, at Belmont and at UMass derailed any shot. They were 14-2 in MAC and lost in MAC title game and were NOWHERE near at-large conversation even coming off the Sweet 16 of a year ago. They had the right kind of schedule....just didn't get the results. I'd love to see the league get to the point where they have a serious shot at an at-large berth....but it's going to take a special, special season for that to happen in today's CBB Last Edited: 3/7/2016 11:41:09 AM by bshot44 Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,556 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/7/2016 11:54:08 AM  bshot44 wrote: The MAC peaked in the late 90s.....they went back-to-back years with two teams 1999 - Kent, Miami 1998 - EMU, WMU Other than that, there have only been three other MAC at-large teams: 1995 - Miami (beat Arizona in 1st Rd.....4-3 in OCC....16-2 in MAC...lost MAC Semis) 1986 - Miami (16-2 in MAC....5-3 OCC....lost MAC finals)* 1985 - Miami (3-4 in OOC....13-5 in MAC....lost in MAC Finals to Ohio)* * had Ron Harper 1999 Miami (at-large) was 22-7. 5-3 in OOC Ws (at Notre Dame, vs. Tennessee, vs. Dayton, San Diego (N), Boston U) Ls (at Xavier, at UW-Green Bay, Fresno St (N)) 15-3 in MAC & lost MAC title game Had superstar in Wally Advanced to Sweet 16 1998 WMU (at-large) was 20-7, 6-2 in OOC Ws (at Michigan, vs. Indiana St, at Milwaukee, vs. Chicago St, Wright St, Charlotte (N)) Ls (at Detroit, Indiana (N)) 14-4 in MAC & lost in 1st Rd MAC tourney Beat Clemson in 1st Rd Tourney All this shows me is that CBB is a much, much different game now. Way more teams and way more balance in the Power leagues. You now see B1G and Big East and ACC getting 7 or 8 teams in....that didn't used to be the case. Those MAC at-large teams didn't have great OOC wins or even records. If anyone in MAC put up exactly same numbers as WMU did in 1998 they wouldn't even be on the radar for an at-large bid. They beat an unranked Michigan team on the road in the season opener....that was their best win?!? The reality is the MAC is a one-bid league unless they catch lightning in a bottle with a team. Someone would have to not only load up their schedule....they would have to get 2-3 marquee wins......at least 1 or 2 of them on the road (or worst case neutral site)......crack the Top 25.....stay there almost all season.....probably go no worse than 16-2 in the MAC.....and then lost in MAC title game. That's asking a lot! Ohio had an opportunity to do that following the Sweet 16 season.....but loss at Oklahoma, at Memphis, at Belmont and at UMass derailed any shot. They were 14-2 in MAC and lost in MAC title game and were NOWHERE near at-large conversation even coming off the Sweet 16 of a year ago. They had the right kind of schedule....just didn't get the results. I'd love to see the league get to the point where they have a serious shot at an at-large berth....but it's going to take a special, special season for that to happen in today's CBB The game at Belmont was on ESPN right? (Bracket Buster thing?) I was there. It was embarrassing. Could JC have coached a worse game? He made Rick Byrd look like Greg Popovich. The N I T projection site I was looking at last night didn't even list Ohio as even a longshot. Too many automatic spots will have to be awarded to league reg season champs who choke in tourneys. Then you have the Florida/Alabama/Georgetown/Marquette former hoops powers kind of schools who will get the rest. And trendy Gonzaga of course will be invited. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/7/2016 1:31:23 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: lovebobcat wrote: When was the last MAC at-large? Wasn't it way back in the '90s? As for RPI, I remember that in 1994-95 (Trent's last year) Ohio had about a 43 RPI, plus impressive non-conference wins over Ohio State and Virginia, but didn't get in. For the MAC to get an at-large, it will need someone to be in the top 35-40 and have several impressive high-RPI victories on its resume. No way it happens this year with Kron. Remember that ohio state was awful then. we were expected to win that game. Virginia, GW and NMSU were all better wins than osu. Even WVU was a better win and many of our MAC wins. Our 7-5 record down the stretch did us in in 1995. Once we lost Jeff Boals we weren't the same team. We didn't win the regular season title and we didn't make the conference tourney final. Really our entire resume was the Preseason NIT. And then Ball State won the tourney and completely doomed us because Miami had a much better resume than we did. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/7/2016 1:56:38 PM  bshot44 wrote: The MAC peaked in the late 90s.....they went back-to-back years with two teams That was about the time that coaching salaries started to go up and the MAC didn't keep pace. The Missouri Valley and CAA started having programs really amp it up and we didn't and then had some pretty bad hires. The conference as a whole decided to put the money into football instead. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,446 Status: Offline     RE: Prospects for the Dance and NIT    Posted: 3/7/2016 2:13:28 PM  greencat wrote: bshot44 wrote: The MAC peaked in the late 90s.....they went back-to-back years with two teams 1999 - Kent, Miami 1998 - EMU, WMU Other than that, there have only been three other MAC at-large teams: 1995 - Miami (beat Arizona in 1st Rd.....4-3 in OCC....16-2 in MAC...lost MAC Semis) 1986 - Miami (16-2 in MAC....5-3 OCC....lost MAC finals)* 1985 - Miami (3-4 in OOC....13-5 in MAC....lost in MAC Finals to Ohio)* * had Ron Harper 1999 Miami (at-large) was 22-7. 5-3 in OOC Ws (at Notre Dame, vs. Tennessee, vs. Dayton, San Diego (N), Boston U) Ls (at Xavier, at UW-Green Bay, Fresno St (N)) 15-3 in MAC & lost MAC title game Had superstar in Wally Advanced to Sweet 16 1998 WMU (at-large) was 20-7, 6-2 in OOC Ws (at Michigan, vs. Indiana St, at Milwaukee, vs. Chicago St, Wright St, Charlotte (N)) Ls (at Detroit, Indiana (N)) 14-4 in MAC & lost in 1st Rd MAC tourney Beat Clemson in 1st Rd Tourney All this shows me is that CBB is a much, much different game now. Way more teams and way more balance in the Power leagues. You now see B1G and Big East and ACC getting 7 or 8 teams in....that didn't used to be the case. Those MAC at-large teams didn't have great OOC wins or even records. If anyone in MAC put up exactly same numbers as WMU did in 1998 they wouldn't even be on the radar for an at-large bid. They beat an unranked Michigan team on the road in the season opener....that was their best win?!? The reality is the MAC is a one-bid league unless they catch lightning in a bottle with a team. Someone would have to not only load up their schedule....they would have to get 2-3 marquee wins......at least 1 or 2 of them on the road (or worst case neutral site)......crack the Top 25.....stay there almost all season.....probably go no worse than 16-2 in the MAC.....and then lost in MAC title game. That's asking a lot! Ohio had an opportunity to do that following the Sweet 16 season.....but loss at Oklahoma, at Memphis, at Belmont and at UMass derailed any shot. They were 14-2 in MAC and lost in MAC title game and were NOWHERE near at-large conversation even coming off the Sweet 16 of a year ago. They had the right kind of schedule....just didn't get the results. I'd love to see the league get to the point where they have a serious shot at an at-large berth....but it's going to take a special, special season for that to happen in today's CBB The game at Belmont was on ESPN right? (Bracket Buster thing?) I was there. It was embarrassing. Could JC have coached a worse game? He made Rick Byrd look like Greg Popovich. Oof, don't remind me. I was there too and left at halftime. 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