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He might be the most complete big man ever in this program with the ability to hit from 3. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 6:01:50 PM  No doubt he's having a great season, but a more complete player than Shaq of the MAC? Eh I don't know about that. I consider both to be big men. TC is up there though for sure! Last Edited: 2/13/2016 6:02:42 PM by Mark Lembright '85 Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 6:13:38 PM  TC has really turned it on. It wasn't so long ago that earlier this season foul trouble or other had him not at this level. He's playing splendidly now. I only saw Trent on TV and only a few times. But anyone who'd judge the two as about equal must not have ever seen Trent play. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,189 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 6:18:45 PM  I didn't say best FC player I said complete player. Trent was 23% in 3pt shooting and 64% at the line his Junior year. Hunter was 37% 3pt and 60% in FT shooting. No big man at Ohio has done 42% from 3 and 77% from the line in the same season before. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top LuckySparrow General User Member Since: 10/15/2012 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,754 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 7:08:21 PM  Campbell has such great hands for a big man. I loved a few of his baseball passes against Buffalo. What a day at the Convo.....Wow! Back to Top FlashGary General User Member Since: 6/18/2013 Location: Long Island, NY Post Count: 385 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 8:34:38 PM  I really love the way Antonio Campbell is progressing. If he continues along the path he is on, which has to be combined with Ohio being at or near the top of the MAC standings, he may have a chance to become a two-time MAC Player of the Year. The construction of the team is great for a post player, with Simmons' ability to deliver the ball anytime and anywhere, along with several three-point shooters you just can't afford to leave alone. And as we are seeing, Big Tone is eating everyone's lunch when left to play mano a mano. It's reaching the point where I'm actually surprised when he misses a shot down low! That said, as for the most complete big man question, playing for Danny Nee in 1983-84, John Dereveaux was named MAC Player of the Year after averaging 18.7 points, 10.3 rebounds, 2.6 blocks, shooting 55 percent from the floor and 80 percent from the foul line. Don't know if John could have shot the trey because it didn't exist until 1986, but he did have a nice midrange jumper. John had a quality inside and outside game, was mobile on the floor and was a terrific shot blocker. As for Gary Trent, his ability to overpower and explode over people down low and rebound in high volumes puts him in a class by himself. I'm confident the Shaq of the MAC kept many a coach up long hours trying to figure out how to keep him from fouling out their frontline and these coaches probably had nightmares of Gary when they fell asleep. I was at a game in the Convo in which it almost was comical how many fouls Gary drew against Bowling Green in scoring 46. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 9:40:37 PM  Referencing your post on football facts and, here, about the relative merit of Trent vs. other OHIO big man hoopsters, get your M.O. Did you ever seen Trent play? Just answer in one word--two letters or three--please. Because Trent vs any other is not anything about numbers. It's purely eyeballs. If it is about numbers, wasn't Trent MAC POY all three years that he played? And I'll bet that whoever was second was faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. You'll backfill and hedge and hem and haw in response but sometimes not liking me and asserting clearly wrong stuff don't get it. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,221 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 10:08:14 PM  Sigh...All he said was he might be the most COMPLETE big man. Gary Trent was the best, absolute dominance, but he wasn't a complete player. He only made 17 three pointers in his entire career. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 10:14:04 PM  There is no worthwhile time spent comparing anyone vs Trent. Period. Tone vs Trent - would be fouled out before he know what hit him (literally). Would not be able to get the step on the drop, or the hook off w/o it getting swatted. No 3's if fouled out - or FT's.... But Tone sure is great - finesse is his strength. Per both - "Just get the ball to (Trent, or Tone)" - is a good O strategy. RS Bobcat Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 10:16:51 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Sigh...All he said was he might be the most COMPLETE big man. Gary Trent was the best, absolute dominance, but he wasn't a complete player. He only made 17 three pointers in his entire career. 3 of 3 years played MAC POY is not "complete" enough? RS Bobcat Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,221 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 10:21:01 PM  Dear God...no one claimed they are even in the same league and no one will. He was making a point about his dual ability to both hit the 3 pointer and get it done in the paint. Trent didn't do that. It's really that simple. This is like a bunch of people getting upset because someone said Steph Curry is better at making 3 pointers than Michael Jordan. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 10:24:48 PM  whatever. If you don't like opinions and reasonable responses to reasonable interp of what others post...whatever. Why don't we all submit our posts to you for your approval. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 10:43:36 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Dear God...no one claimed they are even in the same league and no one will. He was making a point about his dual ability to both hit the 3 pointer and get it done in the paint. Trent didn't do that. It's really that simple. This is like a bunch of people getting upset because someone said Steph Curry is better at making 3 pointers than Michael Jordan. OK - not as "complete" scoring (avg, total) and rebounding (O, And D), and shutting down opp players in the paint...."Complete" on both sides of the court...... RS Bobcat Back to Top Danny's Knee General User Member Since: 11/30/2005 Post Count: 605 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/13/2016 11:17:14 PM  I want you guys to quit arguin' .. check out my avatar, it's "REALLY DO ORIGINAL" !!!! Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 12:23:54 AM  BANG! Oh baby what a BIG TIME argument about something that doesn't matter! Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 12:56:13 AM  The word "ever" was used in the original post - might as well just asked for opposing or differing opinions. I enjoy comparing Trent with any MAC player - Any position - "Ever"...... RS Bobcat Back to Top LuckySparrow General User Member Since: 10/15/2012 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,754 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 12:56:52 AM  Put this one in the books! What a day at the Convo.....Wow! Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,837 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 2:13:36 AM  Agree with Flashgary's comparison with John Devereaux. John's game improved significantly each season (he hadn't played that much ball before coming to Ohio) and I thought by his senior year he was one of the better big men in the country. Of course, it was a different game then. But if Big Tone continues to improve, he'll have an opportunity for a long professional career, overseas at least, same as Devereaux. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 8:52:08 AM  I actually think this is a fun discussion and in some respects is akin to arguing who was the best Sports Illustrated cover model ever, Christie Brinkley, Elle Macpherson, Paulina Porizkova, Cheryl Tiegs, Irina Shayk, Kate Upton, etc. I mean, they're all good, right? I would say this about Trent though. I agree that perhaps his 3 point shooting wasn't as good as Campbell's. I would posit though that's because he didn't need to be. Trent was so dominant inside that he could get his points whenever he wanted at any time against anybody. The only thing that ever stopped Gary Trent were his injuries. Plus, 3 point shooting wasn't emphasized nearly as much in the early-mid 90's as it is today. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 9:30:43 AM  brucecuth wrote: Agree with Flashgary's comparison with John Devereaux. John's game improved significantly each season (he hadn't played that much ball before coming to Ohio) and I thought by his senior year he was one of the better big men in the country. Of course, it was a different game then. But if Big Tone continues to improve, he'll have an opportunity for a long professional career, overseas at least, same as Devereaux. Agreed, and I think he would have been able to hit the three because one of his best shots was the jumper from about three feet behind the free throw line. Not that big of a leap to think he would have been successful taking a step or two back from there. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 9:37:55 AM  RSBobcat wrote: The word "ever" was used in the original post - might as well just asked for opposing or differing opinions. I enjoy comparing Trent with any MAC player - Any position - "Ever"...... But when I think of the word complete I think of versatile which may be where the disconnect is in this argument. Gary was easily the best player and most dominant player I've ever seen in a Bobcat uniform but others were better at certain aspects of the game. It's not sacrilege to say he wasn't the most complete. It's just an opinion. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 10:53:32 AM  A complete player also plays D. Back to Top FlashGary General User Member Since: 6/18/2013 Location: Long Island, NY Post Count: 385 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 8:58:08 PM  Glad to see you remember John, BruceCuth. I took a particular interest in him, being we were both in the Metropolitan New York area; he went to high school in Brooklyn; I was a sports writer on Long Island. You are correct that John was a late bloomer, who got better every season. He was the MAC player of the year as a senior, drafted in the fourth round by the San Antonio Campbells, I mean, Spurs in 1984 (78th pick overall) and played professionally overseas. I met John, along with his Ohio teammate Jeff Thomas, when the Cats came to play at St. Francis (NY); I believe Tim O'Shea was our coach. John's Ohio team, coached by Danny Nee, went to the Big Dance in 1984 and played competitively for most of the game against Kentucky in the second round (beat Illinois State in the first round) when it had that massive front line with Sam Bowie and Mel Turpin. Needless to say, John, Jeff and I spent the entire game talking Ohio hoops. Last Edited: 2/14/2016 9:20:11 PM by FlashGary Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,418 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 9:33:10 PM  Great stuff, FlashGary. It was 1983, actually, that Ohio beat Illinois St. on a last-second, off-balance shot by the late Robert Tatum, and then fell to Kentucky and the twin towers in the second round. If memory serves, Ohio played Kansas and their own twin towers (I believe it was Greg Dreiling and Danny Manning) in South Bend, IN., in the first round of the 1984 NCAA tourney. Nee once said that his one regret as Ohio coach was not redshirting Devereaux as a frosh. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Antonio    Posted: 2/14/2016 9:54:39 PM  bobcatsquared wrote: Great stuff, FlashGary. It was 1983, actually, that Ohio beat Illinois St. on a last-second, off-balance shot by the late Robert Tatum, and then fell to Kentucky and the twin towers in the second round. If memory serves, Ohio played Kansas and their own twin towers (I believe it was Greg Dreiling and Danny Manning) in South Bend, IN., in the first round of the 1984 NCAA tourney. Nee once said that his one regret as Ohio coach was not redshirting Devereaux as a frosh. Actually, Ohio lost to Kansas my Senior year in the '85 tourney. The Danny Née years were some great years! 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