Welcome Guest!
Create an Account
login email:
password:
site searchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp
Message Board
BobcatAttack.com Message Board
Ohio Basketball
Topic:  No More MAC Tourney?

Topic:  No More MAC Tourney?
Author
Message
OhioStunter
General User



Member Since: 2/18/2005
Location: Chicago
Post Count: 2,516

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 3:03:21 PM 
It's an interesting read and an interesting question about mid-major tournaments:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/03/10/nca... /
Back to Top
  
OUVan
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Bethesda, MD
Post Count: 5,580

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 3:15:36 PM 
Sorry but the tournament is too much fun to do away with. Do you really want to have your fans stop paying attention to your team when it gets eliminated from winning the regular season crown with four games to go? In the last ten years no #1 seed that won the MAC tourney has lost an NCAA game by fewer than 10 points. The only three teams that lost by fewer than 10 points were the three Ohio teams and Miami in 2006. That and it would be significantly harder to get two teams in the dance without the tournament.
Back to Top
  
OhioStunter
General User



Member Since: 2/18/2005
Location: Chicago
Post Count: 2,516

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 3:27:33 PM 
I'd also say if your team was hot enough to win the conference tourney, you are playing well at the right time (better than your reg. season champ?) and on a roll heading into the Big Dance (see Ohio).
Back to Top
  
Bobcatbob
General User



Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Coolville, OH
Post Count: 1,347

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 3:34:05 PM 
In a one bid league, I like seeing the champion in the tournament. Rather than worry about interest waning without said tournament, I'm in the camp that thinks the tournament renders the entire regular season moot.

Yeah, yeah, I understand seeding and home court and that stuff. I just don't see working all year for a potential one game advantage in a tournament as compelling.
Back to Top
  
Bobcat110
General User



Member Since: 3/5/2005
Location: Mount Gilead, OH
Post Count: 708

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 3:35:09 PM 
I'm ok with that as long as it's applied to majors too. Only conference winner gets into the NCAA tournament. If you can't win your conference then you can't play for #1
Back to Top
  
GoCats105
General User

Member Since: 1/31/2006
Location: Seattle, WA
Post Count: 7,446

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 3:45:21 PM 
Anyone who argues that conference tournaments should go away should ask Kemba Walker how he feels about it.

Back to Top
  
Alan Swank
General User

Member Since: 12/11/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,221

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 3:47:32 PM 
Simple solution - they both get in - regular season and tournament champ. If it ends up being one and the same so be it. Most of these leagues are one bid leagues anyway. That would make both the tournament and the regular season mean something.

Last Edited: 3/10/2016 3:47:59 PM by Alan Swank
Back to Top
  
OU_Country
General User



Member Since: 12/6/2005
Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County
Post Count: 8,370

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 3:53:37 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Simple solution - they both get in - regular season and tournament champ. If it ends up being one and the same so be it. Most of these leagues are one bid leagues anyway. That would make both the tournament and the regular season mean something.



I've wished for this for a long time. Expand the field to accommodate the number necessary, keep roughly the same number of at-large bids. Add one extra full day. Give #1, #2, maybe #3 and #4 seeds byes on day one.
Back to Top
  
OUVan
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Bethesda, MD
Post Count: 5,580

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 4:27:34 PM 
Bobcatbob wrote:
In a one bid league, I like seeing the champion in the tournament. Rather than worry about interest waning without said tournament, I'm in the camp that thinks the tournament renders the entire regular season moot.

Yeah, yeah, I understand seeding and home court and that stuff. I just don't see working all year for a potential one game advantage in a tournament as compelling.


Since we don't play a round-robin schedule the regular season isn't completely fair anyway.
Back to Top
  
Andrew Ruck
General User



Member Since: 12/22/2004
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 5,221

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 5:38:28 PM 
In regards to the Swank plan...Would that lead to tanking by the regular season champ in the tourney? Why would Akron go hard with their regular rotation and play 3 more games than they need to when they've already punched their ticket? Especially when them losing means the conference gets more representation/publicity/money?

Last Edited: 3/10/2016 5:38:53 PM by Andrew Ruck

Andrew Ruck
B.B.A. 2003

Back to Top
  
Tyler
General User



Member Since: 7/7/2010
Location: Arizona
Post Count: 894

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 6:13:39 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
In regards to the Swank plan...Would that lead to tanking by the regular season champ in the tourney? Why would Akron go hard with their regular rotation and play 3 more games than they need to when they've already punched their ticket? Especially when them losing means the conference gets more representation/publicity/money?


Better seeding?
Back to Top
  
Hooligan
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 217

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/10/2016 9:49:28 PM 
The Ivy League just announced today that they will have a conference tourney starting next year.
Back to Top
  
Alan Swank
General User

Member Since: 12/11/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,221

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 8:13:16 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
In regards to the Swank plan...Would that lead to tanking by the regular season champ in the tourney? Why would Akron go hard with their regular rotation and play 3 more games than they need to when they've already punched their ticket? Especially when them losing means the conference gets more representation/publicity/money?


I understand what you're saying Andrew but does anyone thing a team would tank games? That is just unfathomable to me.
Back to Top
  
Gallia Cat
General User

Member Since: 7/11/2010
Post Count: 938

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 9:06:18 AM 
Maybe the league should just go back to protecting the top 2 seeds by guaranteeing the semi-finals. No biggie for the MAC men this year but if the concern is the top seeds getting knocked out early that seems reasonable. The tournaments are too much fun to go away.

Last Edited: 3/11/2016 9:07:44 AM by Gallia Cat
Back to Top
  
Scott Woods
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: On the banks of the Ohio, OH
Post Count: 239

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 9:25:39 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
In regards to the Swank plan...Would that lead to tanking by the regular season champ in the tourney? Why would Akron go hard with their regular rotation and play 3 more games than they need to when they've already punched their ticket? Especially when them losing means the conference gets more representation/publicity/money?


Do regular season champs in the "bigger" conferences that aren't one-bid leagues tank in the tourney?

Religion morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

So enter that daily thou mayest grow in knowledge wisdom and love. So depart that daily thou mayest better serve thy fellowmen thy country and thy God.
Back to Top
  
Scott Woods
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: On the banks of the Ohio, OH
Post Count: 239

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 9:26:33 AM 
Gallia Cat wrote:
Maybe the league should just go back to protecting the top 2 seeds by guaranteeing the semi-finals. No biggie for the MAC men this year but if the concern is the top seeds getting knocked out early that seems reasonable. The tournaments are too much fun to go away.



No way. They just fixed that problem this year by getting rid of the double bye.

Religion morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

So enter that daily thou mayest grow in knowledge wisdom and love. So depart that daily thou mayest better serve thy fellowmen thy country and thy God.
Back to Top
  
Alan Swank
General User

Member Since: 12/11/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,221

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 9:30:47 AM 
Scott Woods wrote:
Gallia Cat wrote:
Maybe the league should just go back to protecting the top 2 seeds by guaranteeing the semi-finals. No biggie for the MAC men this year but if the concern is the top seeds getting knocked out early that seems reasonable. The tournaments are too much fun to go away.



No way. They just fixed that problem this year by getting rid of the double bye.


You mean triple bye.
Back to Top
  
Brian Smith (No, not that one)
General User

Member Since: 2/3/2005
Post Count: 3,016

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 9:40:03 AM 
Here's a wacky plan:

Only the top eight teams in the conference make the MAC tournament and play Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. If the regular season champion isn't the tournament champ, the regular season champ plays the tournament champion in a winner-takes-all game on Saturday.

Last Edited: 3/11/2016 9:40:41 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
Back to Top
  
Pataskala
General User

Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 9,364

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 10:34:35 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Anyone who argues that conference tournaments should go away should ask Kemba Walker how he feels about it.



Or John Groce. We wouldn't have beaten G-town that year without winning four games in six days in the MAC tourney.


We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.
Back to Top
  
Scott Woods
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: On the banks of the Ohio, OH
Post Count: 239

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 11:19:22 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Scott Woods wrote:
Gallia Cat wrote:
Maybe the league should just go back to protecting the top 2 seeds by guaranteeing the semi-finals. No biggie for the MAC men this year but if the concern is the top seeds getting knocked out early that seems reasonable. The tournaments are too much fun to go away.



No way. They just fixed that problem this year by getting rid of the double bye.


You mean triple bye.



Thanks, triple bye.

Religion morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

So enter that daily thou mayest grow in knowledge wisdom and love. So depart that daily thou mayest better serve thy fellowmen thy country and thy God.
Back to Top
  
OUVan
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Bethesda, MD
Post Count: 5,580

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 11:35:49 AM 
I don't see how anyone could watch the tournament this year and think that we need to get rid of it. The format this year is perfect. All teams should be involved. The regular season champion is rewarded with a banner, a bye and the easiest path to the NCAA tourney. If they can't take care of business in Cleveland they are rewarded with a berth in the NIT. I HATE the idea of getting rid of the tourney or only inviting some. It's a party and all are welcome in my world.
Back to Top
  
Only one OHIO
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Avon, OH
Post Count: 148

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 11:42:46 AM 
I agree with the ones that like the tourney and I'm also glad the MAC did away with the triple byes. The MAC tourney is perfect as it is now.

If they decided to give regular season champs a bid to the NCAA's as well, they obviously would have to add an extra round to the tournament. What about if you when both regular season and conf tournament, you would get a bye to the field of 64? Win only one, then you have to play in an opening round game unless you get an at large bid.
Back to Top
  
Alan Swank
General User

Member Since: 12/11/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,221

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 1:15:11 PM 
Only one OHIO wrote:
I agree with the ones that like the tourney and I'm also glad the MAC did away with the triple byes. The MAC tourney is perfect as it is now.

If they decided to give regular season champs a bid to the NCAA's as well, they obviously would have to add an extra round to the tournament. What about if you when both regular season and conf tournament, you would get a bye to the field of 64? Win only one, then you have to play in an opening round game unless you get an at large bid.


There wouldn't be a need to add a round. There would just be fewer 4th and 5th place league finishers in the NCAA tournament.
Back to Top
  
brucecuth
General User

Member Since: 12/21/2004
Post Count: 1,837

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 1:26:47 PM 
No one is giving the slightest consideration to doing away with the MAC Tourney...nothing to see here...move along.
Back to Top
  
OhioCatFan
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 14,762

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: No More MAC Tourney?
   Posted: 3/11/2016 1:46:32 PM 
brucecuth wrote:
No one is giving the slightest consideration to doing away with the MAC Tourney...nothing to see here...move along.


Correct. Proof of controversial theory that not everything you see on the internet is true.

The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA

"It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right."

Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org

Back to Top
  
Showing Replies:  1 - 25  of 31 Posts
Jump to Page:  1 | 2    Next >
View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             



WHO'S ONLINE
There are 226 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com
226 Guests
0 Registered Users
There are no other users looking at this page.




Copyright ©2025 BobcatAttack.com. All rights reserved.  |  Privacy Policy  |  Terms of Use
Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties