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GoCats105
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   Posted: 3/12/2016 1:42:19 PM 
Watching the press conference made me feel a ton better about last night. Saul admits that even though Ohio was a good team, they had flaws. They really knew how to put the ball in the hoop, but just weren't quick enough on the floor or strong enough. Those are things that can be improved with off-season workouts. Work on technique and get stronger.

This year I feel was more about building a team atmosphere and getting them ready for a big run. They were close and probably could have won it, but the flaws were just too glaring to overcome. So maybe it happens next year with Big Tone leading the way as a Senior.

I wouldn't be surprised with a preseason prediction of Ohio winning the MAC. This group is certainly capable. Shore up some of the rusty areas and come back hungry. Guys like Jordy, Gavin and Jaaron come from winning HS programs. They'll get this back. Just watch.

I love this guy. He gets it and he's brutally honest about the team. I can only hope we keep him for the long haul.

https://youtu.be/cjHjIoLhCV8
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 1:52:05 PM 
I listened to Saul pregame interview with Russ while driving to STL, he said Ohio played 3 power forwards and Buffalo 4 guards...indicated one team or the other was bound to fill up buckets based on match up nightmare. Could be us, could be them.

I haven't seen any video but I was thrilled with our start to 2nd half offensively, really gave me hope. But buffalo seemed on fire and responded accordingly. Hat tip to them.

In Saul I Trust. 100%.
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   Posted: 3/12/2016 1:52:44 PM 
I would be surprised if they are not the preseason favorite.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 2:21:35 PM 
Victory wrote:
I would be surprised if they are not the preseason favorite.


Depends who Akron recruited. It will be either us or the Zips who are in their 8th MAC final in 10 years. Also depends on how important the voters think Setty was to this team.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 2:24:32 PM 
I'll be surprised if we are the preseason favorite next season. I think we can have a really good team and a really good season. But one of the things I've learned over the years is you can't look at your situation in a vacuum. I used to tend to look at our recruits and say, okay, we had a really good class, we're going to dominate the MAC next season, putting little stock into how the others teams recruited. For instance, I basically thought Buffalo wouldn't be that big of a threat this season after Bobby Hurley left, took Shannon Evans with him and Justin Moss left school. But look at what they brought in--Willie Conner, Blake Hamilton, C.J. Massenburg, Nike Perkins--and they'll all be back next season, along with Lamonte Bearden and a recruit or two. If we're honest, we can say this about four or five teams in the conference. We have a lot of talent in our starting lineup, but the bench wasn't productive this season. Yes, we can get bigger and stronger, but the guys on the other teams who already are ahead of our reserves will be doing the same things, too. Having watched every game this season, it seems to me that our only frontcourt player who could slash to the rim (Treg Setty) is graduating and the only strong offensive rebounder (Doug Taylor) didn't play that much. Jaaron Simmons just can't play this many minutes next season, especially in a three games in three days setting. We have a big problem against athletic wing players who can take you off the dribble, and more and more of that type of wing is coming into the conference. We have a lot of strengths. How coach Phillips deals with the weaknesses, which may not be able to be solved with the roster as presently constituted, will greatly determine how we are perceived for next season as well as how far we will go. I previously posted on this topic under the title "athleticism." Hope we win a few games in whatever tournament we go to!

Last Edited: 3/12/2016 2:26:50 PM by FlashGary
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 2:35:15 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Victory wrote:
I would be surprised if they are not the preseason favorite.


Depends who Akron recruited. It will be either us or the Zips who are in their 8th MAC final in 10 years. Also depends on how important the voters think Setty was to this team.



Buffalo doesn't lose much (Skeete and Wigginton) either. Neither does Eastern (Nozione). Let's hope league-wide we do a better job of scheduling because we could have some very good teams next year. I still think Akron will be and should be the favorite going into the year but we'll be right behind them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 3:42:55 PM 
Barring any unexpected implosions, the MAC will be very tough next year. Buffalo will also be a candidate for being picked preseason #1.
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   Posted: 3/12/2016 3:53:23 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Watching the press conference made me feel a ton better about last night. Saul admits that even though Ohio was a good team, they had flaws. They really knew how to put the ball in the hoop, but just weren't quick enough on the floor or strong enough. Those are things that can be improved with off-season workouts. Work on technique and get stronger.

This year I feel was more about building a team atmosphere and getting them ready for a big run. They were close and probably could have won it, but the flaws were just too glaring to overcome. So maybe it happens next year with Big Tone leading the way as a Senior.

I wouldn't be surprised with a preseason prediction of Ohio winning the MAC. This group is certainly capable. Shore up some of the rusty areas and come back hungry. Guys like Jordy, Gavin and Jaaron come from winning HS programs. They'll get this back. Just watch.

I love this guy. He gets it and he's brutally honest about the team. I can only hope we keep him for the long haul.

https://youtu.be/cjHjIoLhCV8


Agree on all. But along with the improvement of current personnel, I think personnel additions through recruiting are very important. Hopefully Carter will be in the rotation from day one. Cincinnati Taft coach called him a man child and I hope that's true. We have one more schollie and it's important who we add. Coach Phillips likes building a program with four or five year guys, but would an athletic JUCO or grad student be a good way to fill out the roster with an instant boost of athleticism?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 3:54:26 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Barring any unexpected implosions, the MAC will be very tough next year. Buffalo will also be a candidate for being picked preseason #1.


I agree Jeff, I think the MAC should be rock solid next year. With a couple of breaks, maybe a 2 bid conference even?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 3:57:12 PM 
FlashGary wrote:
I'll be surprised if we are the preseason favorite next season. I think we can have a really good team and a really good season. But one of the things I've learned over the years is you can't look at your situation in a vacuum. I used to tend to look at our recruits and say, okay, we had a really good class, we're going to dominate the MAC next season, putting little stock into how the others teams recruited. For instance, I basically thought Buffalo wouldn't be that big of a threat this season after Bobby Hurley left, took Shannon Evans with him and Justin Moss left school. But look at what they brought in--Willie Conner, Blake Hamilton, C.J. Massenburg, Nike Perkins--and they'll all be back next season, along with Lamonte Bearden and a recruit or two. If we're honest, we can say this about four or five teams in the conference. We have a lot of talent in our starting lineup, but the bench wasn't productive this season. Yes, we can get bigger and stronger, but the guys on the other teams who already are ahead of our reserves will be doing the same things, too. Having watched every game this season, it seems to me that our only frontcourt player who could slash to the rim (Treg Setty) is graduating and the only strong offensive rebounder (Doug Taylor) didn't play that much. Jaaron Simmons just can't play this many minutes next season, especially in a three games in three days setting. We have a big problem against athletic wing players who can take you off the dribble, and more and more of that type of wing is coming into the conference. We have a lot of strengths. How coach Phillips deals with the weaknesses, which may not be able to be solved with the roster as presently constituted, will greatly determine how we are perceived for next season as well as how far we will go. I previously posted on this topic under the title "athleticism." Hope we win a few games in whatever tournament we go to!


Brilliant analysis. +1
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 4:04:54 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Barring any unexpected implosions, the MAC will be very tough next year. Buffalo will also be a candidate for being picked preseason #1.


I agree Jeff, I think the MAC should be rock solid next year. With a couple of breaks, maybe a 2 bid conference even?



would have to keep improving OOC scheduling as a conference.

I think there is an undercurrent brewing. Mark Adams talked about the scheduling conflicts at the mid major level and I heard *gasp* even Jay Bilas mention it so...if we are smart as a conference we will pay attention to the things the committee is looking for and....win.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 4:28:10 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Barring any unexpected implosions, the MAC will be very tough next year. Buffalo will also be a candidate for being picked preseason #1.


I agree Jeff, I think the MAC should be rock solid next year. With a couple of breaks, maybe a 2 bid conference even?



would have to keep improving OOC scheduling as a conference.

I think there is an undercurrent brewing. Mark Adams talked about the scheduling conflicts at the mid major level and I heard *gasp* even Jay Bilas mention it so...if we are smart as a conference we will pay attention to the things the committee is looking for and....win.



True 'dat!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 4:53:22 PM 
Circling back to Coach Phillips' post-game press conference, wow! If I had a son I would want him to play for a coach like that.

And thoughts and prayers to Coach Oats' wife!

Last Edited: 3/12/2016 4:53:56 PM by Mark Lembright '85
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 5:13:27 PM 
How far in advance are out of conf schedules made? Do we have commitments already for next season or is that a blank slate?

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   Posted: 3/12/2016 5:30:50 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Watching the press conference made me feel a ton better about last night. Saul admits that even though Ohio was a good team, they had flaws. They really knew how to put the ball in the hoop, but just weren't quick enough on the floor or strong enough. Those are things that can be improved with off-season workouts. Work on technique and get stronger.

This year I feel was more about building a team atmosphere and getting them ready for a big run. They were close and probably could have won it, but the flaws were just too glaring to overcome. So maybe it happens next year with Big Tone leading the way as a Senior.

I wouldn't be surprised with a preseason prediction of Ohio winning the MAC. This group is certainly capable. Shore up some of the rusty areas and come back hungry. Guys like Jordy, Gavin and Jaaron come from winning HS programs. They'll get this back. Just watch.

I love this guy. He gets it and he's brutally honest about the team. I can only hope we keep him for the long haul.

https://youtu.be/cjHjIoLhCV8


Agree on all. But along with the improvement of current personnel, I think personnel additions through recruiting are very important. Hopefully Carter will be in the rotation from day one. Cincinnati Taft coach called him a man child and I hope that's true. We have one more schollie and it's important who we add. Coach Phillips likes building a program with four or five year guys, but would an athletic JUCO or grad student be a good way to fill out the roster with an instant boost of athleticism?





Depends on what Saul thinks the immediate need is. I think Carter is gonna surprise some people like Jordy did. Would not be shocked to see him and Tony do some serious damage in the high-low post action. If Saul and staff don't go after an athletic wing, I would say it's gotta be a PG to help spell Jaaron. It doesn't seem like Saul is ready to let Jordy run the offense, though I do like his scoring a ability.
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   Posted: 3/12/2016 7:09:32 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Barring any unexpected implosions, the MAC will be very tough next year. Buffalo will also be a candidate for being picked preseason #1.


I agree Jeff, I think the MAC should be rock solid next year. With a couple of breaks, maybe a 2 bid conference even?



would have to keep improving OOC scheduling as a conference.

I think there is an undercurrent brewing. Mark Adams talked about the scheduling conflicts at the mid major level and I heard *gasp* even Jay Bilas mention it so...if we are smart as a conference we will pay attention to the things the committee is looking for and....win.



How about:
A MAC +1 Holiday Showcase at Quicken Loans Arena--CSU, KSU, UofA and OHIO both men and women play Pitt, WVU, Penn State and Duquesne/Robert Morris (or 4 other schedule building names) Double Headers by day for the women and by night for the men--Each gets to play three games over 4-5 days.

Would people come to watch? Would these better opponents come to play? Would this improve the schedule? Just thinking of the pretty good crowd on Friday night semis at the Q and wondering if it could cover its costs..
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   Posted: 3/12/2016 7:25:58 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Barring any unexpected implosions, the MAC will be very tough next year. Buffalo will also be a candidate for being picked preseason #1.


I agree Jeff, I think the MAC should be rock solid next year. With a couple of breaks, maybe a 2 bid conference even?



would have to keep improving OOC scheduling as a conference.

I think there is an undercurrent brewing. Mark Adams talked about the scheduling conflicts at the mid major level and I heard *gasp* even Jay Bilas mention it so...if we are smart as a conference we will pay attention to the things the committee is looking for and....win.



How about:
A MAC +1 Holiday Showcase at Quicken Loans Arena--CSU, KSU, UofA and OHIO both men and women play Pitt, WVU, Penn State and Duquesne/Robert Morris (or 4 other schedule building names) Double Headers by day for the women and by night for the men--Each gets to play three games over 4-5 days.

Would people come to watch? Would these better opponents come to play? Would this improve the schedule? Just thinking of the pretty good crowd on Friday night semis at the Q and wondering if it could cover its costs..


I'd like to see us schedule more regional teams like Cincy, Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Louisville, in addition to those you mentioned. We already have a home and home scheduled with Cincinnati scheduled in football (2019, 2020 I believe), so I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to get a home and home set up for basketball.

I like the idea of the holiday tourney. I also like the idea of a challenge, like a MAC-American or MAC-A10 challenge. I think that would give the MAC a lot of exposure.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next Year - Saul Gets It
   Posted: 3/12/2016 9:37:07 PM 
Carter is only 6'5. He's listed at 6'6 but he's only 6'5 and he plays inside at a smaller school in Johnstown. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player...but he's a tweener that will be an undersized PF or struggle athletically with the speed at SF.

My hope is that he can just contribute 10 or so minutes a game off the bench as a rotational guy next year, then hit the weight room and become that undersized work-horse type PF eventually. Regardless I don't see him as a day 1 starter/stud type player for next year.

Assuming nobody leaves the program, I'd say our next biggest need is a backup PG for Simmons. Whomever it is needs to be a DEFENSIVE minded PG and preferably even possibly a combo guard with some size who can step in and play defense at the 2 as well. Regardless - we can not go into next year where Simmons HAS to play 40 minutes every game and if he ever gets hurt/ever gets tired/ever gets in foul trouble/ever gets shut down - then our entire offense falls apart. Plus, we desperately need to improve our perimeter defense and I just think athletically/foot speed, Simmons and Dartis just can't cut it against elite guards.

Don't forget we should get Dozier next year as well. I'll be interested to see where/how he fits into this team.

Finally, I think the development of Doug Taylor and/or Wadly Mompremier will dictate our ultimate success next year because we HAVE to get better both defensively and especially on the boards inside next year. Campbell is fantastic offensively but he can't defend a paper bag without fouling. Setty will be gone. KK is more of a SF. If we don't get big contributions from these two then we are going to be hurting even worse inside next year. This is why I think IF somebody departs the program our next addition should be either a long defensive minded wing or another big.

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All that above to say, I think we can improve a little on this year next year, but I don't think we're even close to the prohibitive favorite in the MAC.

Both Akron and Buffalo are going to be TOUGH. EMU, Ball St, Miami and BG are all up and coming. Some other good recruits coming into the conference.

It's feasible that we will be a better team, yet finish worse next year.
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   Posted: 3/12/2016 10:01:29 PM 
Victory wrote:
I would be surprised if they are not the preseason favorite.


IMO, Ohio will be the team to beat come MAC Tournament time again. Next year's team will be loaded. Ohio needs to face some "Power" conference schools to showcase it. Another type of non conference schedule (especially the home schedule) like this year would be a complete waste for this team next year.
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   Posted: 3/12/2016 10:45:00 PM 
I know there was a recent thread on Dozier but I don't recall the responses if any. Will he be any type of contributor next year and if so where does he fit in?
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   Posted: 3/12/2016 10:49:51 PM 
As someone who likes to sit back and watch how people construct teams, which is why I'm a big follower of the NFL draft (go Jets!), I'm fascinated to see what coach Phillips is able to accomplish within the constraints of our scholarship situation. There's a reason I've been harping on Buffalo my last two posts, because in my humble opinion, we've got to go through them (as well as other teams being put together like them) to get to the Big Dance. Okay. Jason Carter is coming. Great. He'll find a niche to maximize his skill set. But I don't believe that includes being able to neutralize Blake Hamilton. (I said neutralize because I don't see too many people containing him; that guy looks like he has a real shot at an NBA future). No one on our present roster can. Maybe Khari Harley could have, but who knows about his back situation. So it would be nice to add an athletic wing forward. (By the way, do you think Jim Christian-Bobcats signee Rodell Wigginton would have played more for us that he did for Buffalo? He's an example of an athletic guy who could have created some havoc inside, on the offensive glass and as a shot-blocking rim protector). Next, do we have a guard long enough, strong enough and quick enough to deal with the likes of Willie Conner? As with Hamilton, this guy also killed us outside and taking it to the rim. It would be nice to have that type of shooting/slashing guard with size and strength. That would help to keep us out of long scoring lulls, because those kind of players can get to the rim and get fouled at the very least. It appears from the message board that we're involved with a couple of guys who have these skills. Then we need someone to give Jaaron Simmons some rest. Maybe Jordan Dartis can handle that next season, but the offense seldom ran smoothly when Jaaron sat. (If you watched the MAC title game tonight, the same thing happened to Buffalo in the second half when Lamonte Bearden sat and Jayrrn Skeete played the point. Their lead went from many to few). As someone posted previously, we need a backup who can be a factor for us at both ends not only to give Jaaron some rest, but also to step in and play when Jaaron is in foul trouble, or should he get hurt. So it seems to me we have three needs and one known schollie. Maybe coach Phillips can pull something out of a hat. Time will tell.
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   Posted: 3/13/2016 12:53:09 AM 
Great thoughts and speculation on this thread. A few random thoughts, though most are wild dreams:

*JG teams elevated themselves with impact transfers and getting lucky on an instant offense. A guy like AB or Walt would be a nice prize on this team. Love to find a slasher type to replace Treg who can create going to the basket. I learned to like Treg and he made the most of his God-given abilities, but maybe someone with a little more polish. Second best would be getting such a guy at the #2, even though I really like Dartis. Maybe Dartis develops a full game and is not simply a perimeter specialist moving forward, but right now he's one dimensional for the most part. Bottom line,we have to get more athletic and more creative going to the hole at #2 & #3.

*I hear the Carter kid is "a difference maker?" Never watched a second of his tapes, so I cannot comment any further than what I'm told.

*One of the few downsides of having the great chemistry I'm hearing about, is SP may not have more needs than open scholarships. If he doesn't trust Wadley and Khari to give him even a few minutes (and for the record I thought Wadley was the most improved player on this squad), then it could be a Win-Win if they moved on. I honestly don't see Khari ever contributing significantly to a MAC Title contending team.

*I heard from players over the weekend that Gollon is for eal player in practice and it's just a matter of time for it to show in game time. He looked like a real Freshman in the time he did get in this year, but maybe this is what SP is thinking if he doesn't recruit a backup point guard.

*I think to some extent we're going to have to live with being out-toughed and less physical as one roster can be all things. Saul-Ball vs. Dambrot appears to equal John Beilein vs. Bob Huggins contrast at WVU when they switched coaches. Two different types of players/styles. Most of the MAC is going physical, so it's going to be a contrast in styles IMO.

The roster decisions will be interesting moving forward for sure.

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   Posted: 3/13/2016 5:54:25 AM 
Good stuff Chicken George... (BTW, I named my son George)

I would add that Saul has been able to get marked improvement from a few players this past year... (Campbell, Setty and as you mentioned Wadley). Here's hoping that Gollon follows in Setty's footsteps and can get to the next level. They both have had older brothers that worked hard through their careers to improve as they matured. From your report, I think he's got it in him, but needs the off season to uh, season.

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   Posted: 3/13/2016 10:53:04 AM 
People keep mentioning athleticism but the problem is really just quickness. We lack it. Everywhere.

(I love how Buffalo plays. Extend the D way out beyond the 3 point line believing you aren't quick enough to do anything about it. Run 4 guards who can attack and shoot. Play aggressive D and don't worry much about all the fouls. They can win an NCAA tourney game if they play like they did the last 4 days. They remind me a bit of the 2005 Bobcats with Fears, Green, Troutman, Davis, etc.)

This Ohio team needs a Mychal Green type player. A quick 2-3 who can get to the hoop and defend, and who can play right away. I don't see one anywhere on the recruiting page. So, unless the current players suddenly get more quickness, which I doubt, next year will look a lot like this year. Heck, actually I'll just take a quick wing who can defend. We don't need someone else to score. Give me a Bridgewater to go with Laster.

Hopes for next year: Defend better as a team somehow. Carter replaces Setty's toughness and mid-range game. Kaminsky learns he can score a lot with mid range shots and not just threes. If a drill exists that can make guards/wings quicker, do that sucker nonstop for the next 8 months. And somehow get 2 "bigger" schools to play in the Convo in Nov-Dec when the students are in town.



Last Edited: 3/13/2016 10:56:49 AM by Ohio69

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   Posted: 3/13/2016 11:06:21 AM 
After reading through all the posts on this topic I am going to add my thoughts as well;

1) We really improved this year, better than most probably expected back in October.
2) As the team improved during the year so to did our expectations.
3) Every team has strengths and weaknesses, and that includes Buffalo and Akron.
4) Next year is a whole new season and that means there may not be a carry over effect for each team whether they performed well or not.

Some have made predictions on next years preseason polls. This is what I have observed on these polls.
1) They tend to follow the previous teams performance, LY results, unless there is high number of graduating players and perhaps a coaching change.
2) I would expect these polls next year to have both Buffalo and Akron ahead of us. Now the number of votes between these 3 teams maybe close which lends one to think there is no real clear favorite.

After the season is totally over I will start a post centered around my analysis of this years team player by player.



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