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And just a reminder that "Moorhead" State is still alive in OVC tourney. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,364 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/5/2016 10:33:12 AM  The new ownership at the Dispatch really doesn't care much about what happens outside Columbus. Surprised they haven't hired Elton Alexander. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,418 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/5/2016 11:07:03 AM  Noticed that too, Jeff, but not surprised. My mom and I had a discussion earlier this week about how many errors (factual, spelling, grammar) we've noticed in the Dispatch over the last month or so. The bottom line ($) more important than quality journalism. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/5/2016 1:02:37 PM  at start of year, what did Eltoooooon predict we'd finish? has he said anything about the MAC tourney? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top potstirred General User Member Since: 9/23/2010 Post Count: 150 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/5/2016 2:35:11 PM  One of their headlines was about Tiny Fey's new movie. Tiny? Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,837 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/5/2016 5:38:55 PM  yep. today also saw the summary of the Eastmoor girls' victory last nite say that they won the regional final, but will play the regional final next week (they'll actually play a state semi-final then). Eastmoor is led by Bobcat recruit Amani Burke. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,401 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 1:41:21 AM  Question, what is the hang up with quality journalism???? Print is dead, some think it will hold on, but truth be told journalism is forever changed. Bottom line, adapt or go home. Back to Top GroverBall General User Member Since: 12/3/2012 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,281 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 2:03:52 AM  Because journalism is no longer in a print format it does not have to be accurate? What??!?? Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 7:10:26 AM  There is still quality journalism. It just isn't the same sources. Some of the print just couldn't evolve... I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 8:27:15 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: Question, what is the hang up with quality journalism???? Print is dead, some think it will hold on, but truth be told journalism is forever changed. Bottom line, adapt or go home. I have a hang up with quality journalism because it's vital to democracy. Journalists are vilified and poorly paid, but credible news from trained professionals has never been more important. We should be alarmed as a society that the watchdog and informer for our society is being killed by these seismic changes to its business model, but instead we shrug. The irony is that "print" may be dead, but more people are consuming more news in written form than at any time in history. They're just not paying for it, and that has consequences with respect to quality. Twenty years ago, a paper like the Dispatch would have had at least three editors looking at a story, and fact-checking it. Now, it's quite possible that the reporter rattled that stat off of an inaccurate memory and no one looked or someone was rushed, or someone was too inexperienced to have the instinct to check it. There's no quality left because it's all been downsized away. Interesting article on the human cost of these changes linked below. A relevant stat with respect to this discussion: "In 2007, there were 55,000 full-time journalists at nearly 1,400 daily papers; in 2015, there were 32,900" http://billmoyers.com/story/what-happens-to-journalists-w... / Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 9:41:27 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Question, what is the hang up with quality journalism???? Print is dead, some think it will hold on, but truth be told journalism is forever changed. Bottom line, adapt or go home. I have a hang up with quality journalism because it's vital to democracy. Journalists are vilified and poorly paid, but credible news from trained professionals has never been more important. We should be alarmed as a society that the watchdog and informer for our society is being killed by these seismic changes to its business model, but instead we shrug. The irony is that "print" may be dead, but more people are consuming more news in written form than at any time in history. They're just not paying for it, and that has consequences with respect to quality. Twenty years ago, a paper like the Dispatch would have had at least three editors looking at a story, and fact-checking it. Now, it's quite possible that the reporter rattled that stat off of an inaccurate memory and no one looked or someone was rushed, or someone was too inexperienced to have the instinct to check it. There's no quality left because it's all been downsized away. Interesting article on the human cost of these changes linked below. A relevant stat with respect to this discussion: "In 2007, there were 55,000 full-time journalists at nearly 1,400 daily papers; in 2015, there were 32,900" http://billmoyers.com/story/what-happens-to-journalists-w... / THANK YOU. With folks rolling their eyes and getting the "news" they need to run this democracy and vote from FB while shrugging the shoulders and saying "who Cares?", this response is important. More important IMHO is changing the opinion that "it's just change" and people responding by changing their news sources and/or demanding better. Jefferson related that democracy requires an educated populace to survive and run in his writings. By basing our votes on media crafted sound bites and spoon fed media we are losing this important facet of our country. By a large section of our local populace being fed the future Polytechnical Institution of Ohio was undefeated this year it degrades the factual basis of what happened and lets some rube joined the rejoinder "well it must be true, I saw it in the newspaper, they wouldn't just print that"...OH, really? Last Edited: 3/6/2016 9:42:16 AM by bornacatfan never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,903 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 10:59:43 AM  Unfortunately, what is occurring at the Dispatch is part of a much broader issue across our country. Politicians, corporate executives, attorneys, and media outlets are employing what I will call unethical use of our language and report wrong information. They either tell what some characterize as un-truths or exaggerate the situation for personal gain. What these professionals have started is now being picked up by common folks as a sign of accepted behavior. The trust factor in our country is being undermined by us, we have allowed this to perpetuate our society and from my view point is not good. This topic is quite important beyond this article and why I was felt compelled to add my thoughts. GO BOBCATS Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 11:10:38 AM  ...undermined by us.... how true.....I am looking at anyone who says "what's the big deal"...especially if they are in a school building teaching our young folks. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top bobcat2nc General User Member Since: 12/28/2004 Post Count: 584 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 8:14:44 PM  bornacatfan wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Question, what is the hang up with quality journalism???? Print is dead, some think it will hold on, but truth be told journalism is forever changed. Bottom line, adapt or go home. I have a hang up with quality journalism because it's vital to democracy. Journalists are vilified and poorly paid, but credible news from trained professionals has never been more important. We should be alarmed as a society that the watchdog and informer for our society is being killed by these seismic changes to its business model, but instead we shrug. The irony is that "print" may be dead, but more people are consuming more news in written form than at any time in history. They're just not paying for it, and that has consequences with respect to quality. Twenty years ago, a paper like the Dispatch would have had at least three editors looking at a story, and fact-checking it. Now, it's quite possible that the reporter rattled that stat off of an inaccurate memory and no one looked or someone was rushed, or someone was too inexperienced to have the instinct to check it. There's no quality left because it's all been downsized away. Interesting article on the human cost of these changes linked below. A relevant stat with respect to this discussion: "In 2007, there were 55,000 full-time journalists at nearly 1,400 daily papers; in 2015, there were 32,900" http://billmoyers.com/story/what-happens-to-journalists-w... / THANK YOU. With folks rolling their eyes and getting the "news" they need to run this democracy and vote from FB while shrugging the shoulders and saying "who Cares?", this response is important. More important IMHO is changing the opinion that "it's just change" and people responding by changing their news sources and/or demanding better. Jefferson related that democracy requires an educated populace to survive and run in his writings. By basing our votes on media crafted sound bites and spoon fed media we are losing this important facet of our country. By a large section of our local populace being fed the future Polytechnical Institution of Ohio was undefeated this year it degrades the factual basis of what happened and lets some rube joined the rejoinder "well it must be true, I saw it in the newspaper, they wouldn't just print that"...OH, really? I couldn't agree more. It isn't just a "print" issue as some others have mentioned. Most media sources seemed to have adopted the sensationalism style of bringing us the "news". Readership, market share, and sponsorship seems to be much more important that factual reporting. The disposable society isn't limited to goods and products but also to facts and feelings. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,221 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/6/2016 9:09:05 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: The irony is that "print" may be dead, but more people are consuming more news in written form than at any time in history. They're just not paying for it, and that has consequences with respect to quality. Excellent point. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/7/2016 1:53:16 AM  Seems to be much more prominence by ...attention paid to...those on the extreme, with people willing to believe--or at least tolerate--what should be obvious mis-truths. Of course, it's part of modern, immediate media. The beast must be fed. And it's favorite food is what gets attention for six seconds...which, sadly, has not much to do with truth or what's good for people to understand. Local television half hour news shows (6pm and 11pm stuff) has been unbelievably bad, at least in LA, for many decades. It's mostly just a crime/car chase report ...Is the head dead yet? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/7/2016 10:12:31 AM  Recovering Journalist is right on, of course. Mistakes are more frequent in newspapers, but it's not because journalists aren't as good or they care less about being correct. It's because newspapers can't afford copy editors, each journalist has twice as many responsibilities as before, and deadlines are tighter than ever, so the journalists themselves have less time to edit and check their own facts. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,736 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/7/2016 10:47:10 AM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: Recovering Journalist is right on, of course. Mistakes are more frequent in newspapers, but it's not because journalists aren't as good or they care less about being correct. It's because newspapers can't afford copy editors, each journalist has twice as many responsibilities as before, and deadlines are tighter than ever, so the journalists themselves have less time to edit and check their own facts. Back in the 70s I spent some time at a national business mag, Industry Week. For one edition we were doing a piece on managers who had businesses on the side. The headline was to include the word Moonlighting. At least 10 pairs of eyes edited/proofed every word that went into every edition. When first copies of that edition landed on desks, we all blanched. Why? Moonlighting came out Moolighting. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top GroverBall General User Member Since: 12/3/2012 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,281 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/7/2016 1:30:19 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: Recovering Journalist is right on, of course. Mistakes are more frequent in newspapers, but it's not because journalists aren't as good or they care less about being correct. It's because newspapers can't afford copy editors, each journalist has twice as many responsibilities as before, and deadlines are tighter than ever, so the journalists themselves have less time to edit and check their own facts. Yea, but writing that a team is 15-0 when they are 13-5 is just lazy, I don't buy that it's a mistake made because a journalist is just too busy. Blaming that on the absence of a copy editor is a cop out. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/7/2016 2:11:29 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: Unfortunately, what is occurring at the Dispatch is part of a much broader issue across our country. Politicians, corporate executives, attorneys, and media outlets are employing what I will call unethical use of our language and report wrong information. They either tell what some characterize as un-truths or exaggerate the situation for personal gain. What these professionals have started is now being picked up by common folks as a sign of accepted behavior. The trust factor in our country is being undermined by us, we have allowed this to perpetuate our society and from my view point is not good. This topic is quite important beyond this article and why I was felt compelled to add my thoughts. GO BOBCATS A lot of this is a different symptom of the same disease. Reporters no longer have time to investigate, so they become stenographers in a he-said, she-said circus. "Candidate X says that up is down. Candidate Y says that is not true." Good reporting would require research into "up" and determining through multiple sources whether it was, in fact, up. We don't pay for that anymore, so we don't get it as a society. No one is really watching what our institutions, politicians and other authority figures are doing anymore, so of course trust is down. Things only come to light when they are catastrophic (think Flint water crisis), which only further erodes trust. Stories like Watergate, the Catholic church scandal, the Walter Reed scandal... those stories need to be told, and there are hundreds like them waiting to be uncovered. Telling those life-altering stories means paying for thousands of hours of research and reporting by trained professionals, and we don't pay for that anymore. Every day there are fewer journalists, and every day we are poorer for it. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/7/2016 6:11:54 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: 71 BOBCAT wrote: Unfortunately, what is occurring at the Dispatch is part of a much broader issue across our country. Politicians, corporate executives, attorneys, and media outlets are employing what I will call unethical use of our language and report wrong information. They either tell what some characterize as un-truths or exaggerate the situation for personal gain. What these professionals have started is now being picked up by common folks as a sign of accepted behavior. The trust factor in our country is being undermined by us, we have allowed this to perpetuate our society and from my view point is not good. This topic is quite important beyond this article and why I was felt compelled to add my thoughts. GO BOBCATS A lot of this is a different symptom of the same disease. Reporters no longer have time to investigate, so they become stenographers in a he-said, she-said circus. "Candidate X says that up is down. Candidate Y says that is not true." Good reporting would require research into "up" and determining through multiple sources whether it was, in fact, up. We don't pay for that anymore, so we don't get it as a society. No one is really watching what our institutions, politicians and other authority figures are doing anymore, so of course trust is down. Things only come to light when they are catastrophic (think Flint water crisis), which only further erodes trust. Stories like Watergate, the Catholic church scandal, the Walter Reed scandal... those stories need to be told, and there are hundreds like them waiting to be uncovered. Telling those life-altering stories means paying for thousands of hours of research and reporting by trained professionals, and we don't pay for that anymore. Every day there are fewer journalists, and every day we are poorer for it. Yes, determining truth, not just accepting/printing the words from the speakers' mouths is so critical. Maybe a bit of hope is that Spotlight (journalism!) won the Best Picture this year's Oscars. Maybe there's still wider spread appreciation for good, hard truth than it seems there is. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/8/2016 1:14:22 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: 71 BOBCAT wrote: Unfortunately, what is occurring at the Dispatch is part of a much broader issue across our country. Politicians, corporate executives, attorneys, and media outlets are employing what I will call unethical use of our language and report wrong information. They either tell what some characterize as un-truths or exaggerate the situation for personal gain. What these professionals have started is now being picked up by common folks as a sign of accepted behavior. The trust factor in our country is being undermined by us, we have allowed this to perpetuate our society and from my view point is not good. This topic is quite important beyond this article and why I was felt compelled to add my thoughts. GO BOBCATS A lot of this is a different symptom of the same disease. Reporters no longer have time to investigate, so they become stenographers in a he-said, she-said circus. "Candidate X says that up is down. Candidate Y says that is not true." Good reporting would require research into "up" and determining through multiple sources whether it was, in fact, up. We don't pay for that anymore, so we don't get it as a society. No one is really watching what our institutions, politicians and other authority figures are doing anymore, so of course trust is down. Things only come to light when they are catastrophic (think Flint water crisis), which only further erodes trust. Stories like Watergate, the Catholic church scandal, the Walter Reed scandal... those stories need to be told, and there are hundreds like them waiting to be uncovered. Telling those life-altering stories means paying for thousands of hours of research and reporting by trained professionals, and we don't pay for that anymore. Every day there are fewer journalists, and every day we are poorer for it. What would it look like if we did "pay" for it? Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/8/2016 8:09:03 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: What would it look like if we did "pay" for it? You've lured me back onto my soapbox. For starters, it would greatly reduce errors and other fundamental problems that crop up when you gut a newsroom of all of it's talent and experience. I guess in my mind's eye I see vibrant newsrooms full of talented and experienced journalists. People with the experience, knowhow and connections to get real answers. Dozens of reporters covering things like state legislatures that we’ve long since all but ignored. People keeping tabs on laws and leaders and helping readers understand their local and national implications, whether it’s in a little burg or a big city. All those eyes don’t just bring scrutiny – they bring different perspectives. Look closely at your local paper. Even if it’s in a big city, a ton of the content is from the wire or otherwise syndicated. Where once 100 people covered the statehouse, now 100 newsrooms just use a wire report from one reporter. Even if that reporter is brilliant at his or her job, they can only cover so much, and they can only approach things from their own perspective. I think all of that would also reduce some of the pressure journalists feel to entertain. They are constantly reminded of ratings, readership and revenues as they watch colleagues get the ax, so in today's world there's always a little voice telling a journalist to go for the sexy story instead of toiling to uncover truth and fact. A great example of this is how much time TV news dedicates to meaningless stories if there's an exciting video attached to them. So we get 30 seconds of presidential debate "coverage" and a two minute interview with the parents of a kid who almost fell off a cliff (because there's a video of the kid almost falling). Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,418 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/14/2016 9:49:35 AM  I don't have the sports section in front me (left at home on the kitchen table) but a story by their reporter who covers o$u basketball on the NIT matchup against Akron mentioned that the Zips playing in the NIT ends five straight years of playing in the NCAA tourney. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: The Dispatch?? To quote Dick Enberg...    Posted: 3/14/2016 10:36:16 AM  bobcatsquared wrote: I don't have the sports section in front me (left at home on the kitchen table) but a story by their reporter who covers o$u basketball on the NIT matchup against Akron mentioned that the Zips playing in the NIT ends five straight years of playing in the NCAA tourney. Are they perhaps referring to Ohio State with those five straight years? 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