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Author Message Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 765 Status: Offline     Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 12:47:55 AM  http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=22913 Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 9:45:58 AM  We'll never know and he will never say, but APART FROM THE SALARY INCREASE, I wonder if Coach Groce has had second thoughts on leaving Ohio for Illinois. Wow, the team he could have had coming back after the 2012 season, throw in a young Caris LeVert, whew! Oh well-having Saul Phillips is not a bad consolation prize at all. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 10:34:27 AM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: We'll never know and he will never say, but APART FROM THE SALARY INCREASE, I wonder if Coach Groce has had second thoughts on leaving Ohio for Illinois. Wow, the team he could have had coming back after the 2012 season, throw in a young Caris LeVert, whew! I've wondered the same thing. As you say though, we'll never know the real answer to that question. Personally, though, I think there's a tremendous upside to Saul Ball, so I'm not crying over spilled milk. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top KC Bobcat General User Member Since: 11/22/2006 Location: Norfolk, VA Post Count: 260 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 10:50:41 AM  I've always wondered, if Danny Nee had it to do over again, would he have stayed? Or at least waited for a better situation than Nebraska. Back to Top Danny's Knee General User Member Since: 11/30/2005 Post Count: 605 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 11:39:38 AM  KC Bobcat wrote: I've always wondered, if Danny Nee had it to do over again, would he have stayed? Or at least waited for a better situation than Nebraska. I'm Danny's Knee .. BANG !! check out my avatar, it's "REALLY DO ORIGINAL" !!!! Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 12:51:01 PM  Danny's Knee wrote: KC Bobcat wrote: I've always wondered, if Danny Nee had it to do over again, would he have stayed? Or at least waited for a better situation than Nebraska. I'm Danny's Knee .. BANG !! Well, answer the question then! :) Back to Top Panda General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 280 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 12:56:57 PM  I really believe that JG felt that he made the right move. Coach G is a very positive person therefore he will never look back. At the same time I do believe SP feels strongly about his staying for a longer tenure. He has a plan and he feels very comfortable in the Ohio environment. His salary is not millions, but very comfortable with upcoming bonus payments in his road to success. There are some examples of coaches in the MAC that have had success with greener grass in football, but most coaches who have move to greener grass in basketball have not fared very well. Not sure why this occurs, but SP needs to look at the history of MAC basketball coaches. Former Football coaches moving to greener grass with some success Ball State--1 coach (has since been fired) Bowling Green--3 coaches and 1 fired coach Buffalo--1 coach (fired, but now back to lower level) Central Mich.--3 coaches one ended up to be SEC Commissioner Kent--2 coaches Miami--6 coaches and several assistants Northern Ill--3 coaches Ohio 1 coach and several assistants Toledo-3 coaches Western Mich--1 fired coach From this list three are "national champions" Former Basketball coaches moving to greener grass with some success Bowling Green 1 fired coach (has had the most success) Buffalo--1 coach Kent--4 coaches (3 have since been fired, but one is back as HC) Miami--1 coach ( has since been fired) Ohio--3 coaches and 1 fired coach (1 has been fired) This list could be corrected Panda Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 1:43:31 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: We'll never know and he will never say, but APART FROM THE SALARY INCREASE, I wonder if Coach Groce has had second thoughts on leaving Ohio for Illinois. Wow, the team he could have had coming back after the 2012 season, throw in a young Caris LeVert, whew! Oh well-having Saul Phillips is not a bad consolation prize at all. And don't forget Evann Bradds, who is having an outstanding senior year thus far. I fantasized about what might have been into JC's second season. The recruiting aspect of JG is what I miss most. He recruited some exceptional talent. Saul seems to have started into recruiting some exceptional talent as well in his first full year, so no complaints there! Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 1:44:42 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Danny's Knee wrote: KC Bobcat wrote: I've always wondered, if Danny Nee had it to do over again, would he have stayed? Or at least waited for a better situation than Nebraska. I'm Danny's Knee .. BANG !! Well, answer the question then! :) BANG! BANG! BANG! Please, do. I'm curious. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,736 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 2:38:09 PM  Panda wrote: I really believe that JG felt that he made the right move. Coach G is a very positive person therefore he will never look back. At the same time I do believe SP feels strongly about his staying for a longer tenure. He has a plan and he feels very comfortable in the Ohio environment. His salary is not millions, but very comfortable with upcoming bonus payments in his road to success. There are some examples of coaches in the MAC that have had success with greener grass in football, but most coaches who have move to greener grass in basketball have not fared very well. Not sure why this occurs, but SP needs to look at the history of MAC basketball coaches. Former Football coaches moving to greener grass with some success Ball State--1 coach (has since been fired) Bowling Green--3 coaches and 1 fired coach Buffalo--1 coach (fired, but now back to lower level) Central Mich.--3 coaches one ended up to be SEC Commissioner Kent--2 coaches Miami--6 coaches and several assistants Northern Ill--3 coaches Ohio 1 coach and several assistants Toledo-3 coaches Western Mich--1 fired coach From this list three are "national champions" Former Basketball coaches moving to greener grass with some success Bowling Green 1 fired coach (has had the most success) Buffalo--1 coach Kent--4 coaches (3 have since been fired, but one is back as HC) Miami--1 coach ( has since been fired) Ohio--3 coaches and 1 fired coach (1 has been fired) This list could be corrected Ben Braun left EMU for Cal and had a pretty good run for a few seasons before the program headed south. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 3:17:15 PM  OU_Country wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: We'll never know and he will never say, but APART FROM THE SALARY INCREASE, I wonder if Coach Groce has had second thoughts on leaving Ohio for Illinois. Wow, the team he could have had coming back after the 2012 season, throw in a young Caris LeVert, whew! Oh well-having Saul Phillips is not a bad consolation prize at all. And don't forget Evann Bradds, who is having an outstanding senior year thus far. I fantasized about what might have been into JC's second season. The recruiting aspect of JG is what I miss most. He recruited some exceptional talent. Saul seems to have started into recruiting some exceptional talent as well in his first full year, so no complaints there! Bradds is averaging almost 18 and 9 against far better competition than we've played this year. Why didn't he come to OU again? Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,221 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 6:09:26 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Bradds is averaging almost 18 and 9 against far better competition than we've played this year. Why didn't he come to OU again? Because Groce left..just like Levert. It is really insane to think of essentially the entire roster returning, and adding Levert (an NBA caliber talent) and Bradds (an elite mid major player). Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 12/31/2015 6:41:48 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Bradds is averaging almost 18 and 9 against far better competition than we've played this year. Why didn't he come to OU again? Because Groce left..just like Levert. It is really insane to think of essentially the entire roster returning, and adding Levert (an NBA caliber talent) and Bradds (an elite mid major player). Thanks Andrew and that could have laid the foundation for OU becoming a big time program on a consistent basis. The wild card though is coaching salary and we just aren't going to lay out Illinois money. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,519 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/1/2016 10:35:54 AM  I don't mean to beat a dead horse or make it worse as we think about what could have been but...Rodell Wiggington is having a great year at Buffalo and Nehemias Morillo is doing a solid job at South Florida. Tony, LeVert, Bradds, Morillo, Wiggington, Maurice, Bean, Stevie, Setty, Wadly (not a bad lineup last year). Still, I like Tony, Kenny, Jaaron, Treg, Dartis for this year and next year with some bench guys stepping up. Still, LeVert and Bradds would be awesome to watch. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/1/2016 11:01:08 AM  Bobcat1998 wrote: I don't mean to beat a dead horse or make it worse as we think about what could have been but...Rodell Wiggington is having a great year at Buffalo and Nehemias Morillo is doing a solid job at South Florida. were rodell and nehemias Christian recruits post Groce? Amazing that Fuss came with Groce and is still in the Convo. Weathered the storms and still gives us some continuity never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/1/2016 11:08:51 AM  Panda wrote: I really believe that JG felt that he made the right move. He did make the right move it just may not have worked out (tbd). But he will be able to get an Ohio-level job if he gets let go by Illinois. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,948 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/1/2016 11:22:49 AM  OUVan wrote: Panda wrote: I really believe that JG felt that he made the right move. He did make the right move it just may not have worked out (tbd). But he will be able to get an Ohio-level job if he gets let go by Illinois. So did Christian. Back to Top crackerbaby00 General User Member Since: 3/8/2007 Post Count: 442 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/1/2016 11:24:06 PM  OU_Country wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: We'll never know and he will never say, but APART FROM THE SALARY INCREASE, I wonder if Coach Groce has had second thoughts on leaving Ohio for Illinois. Wow, the team he could have had coming back after the 2012 season, throw in a young Caris LeVert, whew! Oh well-having Saul Phillips is not a bad consolation prize at all. And don't forget Evann Bradds, who is having an outstanding senior year thus far. I fantasized about what might have been into JC's second season. The recruiting aspect of JG is what I miss most. He recruited some exceptional talent. Saul seems to have started into recruiting some exceptional talent as well in his first full year, so no complaints there! Bradds is just a junior. This would have been the 3rd year of Lavert and Bradds on the same roster Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/2/2016 12:22:44 AM  With regard to the discussion on what might have been if Coach Danny Nee stayed a while in Athens. Some years ago I believe it was the last millennium; I recall reading somewhere, that Danny Nee stated (and I am paraphrasing) that the only reason he left Ohio was to pursue his dream of a national championship, which he felt he could not win competing in the MAC. He went on to state that he didn't believe that anymore, because in hindsight he felt he could have created a powerhouse. This was an interesting comment because he coached Ohio during the Eldon Miller era at Ohio State when the Buckeyes were not the power they later became. Imagine Ohio building a powerhouse to compete with Gary Williams when he was in Columbus. It is amazing to think what could have been. Coach Nee's comments are particularly interesting when one realizes they were made before the advent of the tournament runs of Butler and Wichita State. If he would have stayed through what would have been the Hahn and Hunter era, it is certainly interesting to speculate what might have been. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/2/2016 9:44:24 AM  Since it's always about money, I looked up Nee's contract at Nebraska. In an amazing sign of how insane things have gotten in just 16 years, when Nee got fired in 2000, he got $400,000 as a buyout on the last three years of his contract. A Big 12 coach in a revenue sport was making well under $200,000! The advent of DVRs and the increasing importance of live sports, among other factors, has made the sports world go mad with an orgy of money. Last Edited: 1/2/2016 9:45:00 AM by Recovering Journalist Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,439 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/2/2016 11:08:43 AM  Danny also said that in retrospect, Ohio was the best job he had. He was a Marine Vietnam vet, too. Last Edited: 1/2/2016 11:09:20 AM by oldkatz "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/2/2016 11:20:27 AM  oldkatz wrote: Danny also said that in retrospect, Ohio was the best job he had. He was a Marine Vietnam vet, too. My guess is John Groce will someday say the same thing. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/2/2016 1:01:09 PM  Alan Swank wrote: oldkatz wrote: Danny also said that in retrospect, Ohio was the best job he had. He was a Marine Vietnam vet, too. My guess is John Groce will someday say the same thing. First head coaching jobs for both, and transformational success for both. Many people look back at their first loves the same way. That doesn't mean marrying them would have necessarily been a good idea. Back to Top BuddyLee General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 682 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/2/2016 6:59:10 PM  I'm surprised he has not had more success at Illinois. With the way we know he can recruit and coach, plus the resources of the big ten and Chicago I expected him to be there a lot longer than this. Back to Top mcbin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 951 Status: Offline     RE: Groce Hot Seat Watch...    Posted: 1/2/2016 7:10:26 PM  BuddyLee wrote: I'm surprised he has not had more success at Illinois. With the way we know he can recruit and coach, plus the resources of the big ten and Chicago I expected him to be there a lot longer than this. He's had more serious injuries to key players & last minute recruiting defections than you'd expect for a program to experience in 10 years, let alone the few he's been at ILL. It's hurt the results quite a bit. It's almost kind of like a curse. But in the end, he's gotta win more regardless the circumstances. Hopefully it happens soon so he doesn't have to make another move. I'm hoping he can pull a B10 win off tomorrow in Columbus. 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