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His wife even put this article out well shared it Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/3/2016 7:53:39 PM  New source of news? Green White...how long has that been around? Interesting. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Brian Smith (No, not that one) General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 3,016 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 9:36:15 AM  There's nothing there that proves to me Saul Phillips is staying in Athens for a long time. Last Edited: 4/4/2016 9:37:23 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one) Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,903 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 9:45:39 AM  While I would like to believe Saul several thing come to mind on this topic. 1) He was giddy with moving up to a mid major program. 2) He was given a 5 year deal with the highest salary for any BB coach in Ohio history. 3) He saw a great facility, The Convo, to play in. 4) He also knew his team would be on TV more than at SDSU. 5) The life style in Athens is probably not that much different that SD making the transition for him and his family easy. IMHO.....I see Saul as a little immature with is comments and the manner in which he handles himself. If he gets us to the tournament next year and we win at least 1 game he will be courted for bigger opportunities with a substantial increase in compensation. And as they say money talks and bull **** walks. The history is there by our 2 previous coaches. They left for money that was more than 2X their compensation at Ohio, not to mention being part of a P5 conference. GO BOBCATS Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 10:15:20 AM  Not a whole lot of new information here. It does mention that Saul loves Athens but my guess is that Saul loves where ever he is currently. I'm sure Saul has ever intention of staying here, that is until an opportunity presents itself that he just can't pass up and then he'll be gone...and I'll be happy for him. Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 10:15:43 AM  I think labeling Saul as immature is too harsh, although there may be an element of inexperience, hesitancy to obfuscate, whatever. I think Saul is 100% sincere and honest with everything he says and it is coming from his heart. Did he need to say he wanted to stay at Ohio for a long time when he said it? No. Was it something he believed? I think so. Will he change his mind? Almost certainly. Remember that Saul is is not in complete control of his own destiny here. There are family issues, we'll have a new Prez soon enough; who knows how long Mr. Schaus will be around etc., etc. Two, three years from now, his job won't be the same job he was hired into. It's fair to re-evaluate as things change. If we heard Rick Pitino or Larry Brown saying this stuff, I'd laugh out loud but I am perfectly happy to believe Saul, especially seeing that things are looking up here. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 11:31:09 AM  71, not sure where you're going with the SDSU references. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 11:48:44 AM  71 BOBCAT wrote: While I would like to believe Saul several thing come to mind on this topic. 1) He was giddy with moving up to a mid major program. 2) He was given a 5 year deal with the highest salary for any BB coach in Ohio history. 3) He saw a great facility, The Convo, to play in. 4) He also knew his team would be on TV more than at SDSU. 5) The life style in Athens is probably not that much different that SD making the transition for him and his family easy. IMHO.....I see Saul as a little immature with is comments and the manner in which he handles himself. If he gets us to the tournament next year and we win at least 1 game he will be courted for bigger opportunities with a substantial increase in compensation. And as they say money talks and bull **** walks. The history is there by our 2 previous coaches. They left for money that was more than 2X their compensation at Ohio, not to mention being part of a P5 conference. GO BOBCATS Immature? Really? (shakes head) I suppose you are entitled to you own opinion. By the way, San Diego State University basketball is televised quite a bit. ;) Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,418 Status: Online     RE: Saul phillips (NT)    Posted: 4/4/2016 11:51:51 AM  Last Edited: 4/4/2016 4:57:07 PM by bobcatsquared Back to Top SEbobcat General User Member Since: 4/1/2016 Post Count: 9 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 12:47:18 PM  I think he will find long term success. In recent memory I've never seen a coach as out in the public and involved in the community. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 1:46:45 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: While I would like to believe Saul several thing come to mind on this topic. 1) He was giddy with moving up to a mid major program. 2) He was given a 5 year deal with the highest salary for any BB coach in Ohio history. 3) He saw a great facility, The Convo, to play in. 4) He also knew his team would be on TV more than at SDSU. 5) The life style in Athens is probably not that much different that SD making the transition for him and his family easy. IMHO.....I see Saul as a little immature with is comments and the manner in which he handles himself. If he gets us to the tournament next year and we win at least 1 game he will be courted for bigger opportunities with a substantial increase in compensation. And as they say money talks and bull **** walks. The history is there by our 2 previous coaches. They left for money that was more than 2X their compensation at Ohio, not to mention being part of a P5 conference. GO BOBCATS Your comments might have more credibility if you knew one Dakota from the other. ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 1:52:42 PM  SEbobcat wrote: I think he will find long term success. In recent memory I've never seen a coach as out in the public and involved in the community. +1 I've had my ear to the ground on this matter, and I'm convinced that we have very different cat (pun intended) in Saul. I believe that trying to access him in terms of what the vast majority of coaches would do in a particular situation will not turn out to have a high degree of predictive validity. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 4:12:13 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: While I would like to believe Saul several thing come to mind on this topic. 1) He was giddy with moving up to a mid major program. 2) He was given a 5 year deal with the highest salary for any BB coach in Ohio history. 3) He saw a great facility, The Convo, to play in. 4) He also knew his team would be on TV more than at SDSU. 5) The life style in Athens is probably not that much different that SD making the transition for him and his family easy. 6) He's probably noticed that although the coaching pastures make look greener elsewhere, former OU basketball coaches have not exactly fared exceptionally well after leaving Athens. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,548 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 4:40:04 PM  bornacatfan wrote: New source of news? Green White...how long has that been around? Interesting. If you look at the site, it says 2 current topics and that's all there is to it. It is listed under bluegoldsports.com which appears to be a WVU site. Looks brand new to me, but I'm not necessarily sold on the depth of the content here. In the recent football article, they talk about Ohio having a tough OOC schedule. We have had one of the weakest OOC schedules of the G5 schools over the past 5-6 years or so IMHO. I welcome any new input on the Bobcats though, and am looking forward to much more before I give up on them. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,637 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 7:42:18 PM  He is not going anywhere, we went to the CBI not he NCAA. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Obc2 General User Member Since: 11/8/2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 597 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 7:49:46 PM  He stated at the Cincy Bobcat Caravan 2 years ago he will be coaching at Ohio when his daughter graduates Athens high school. I think that's a good dad speaking. Luckily that dad is also our coach. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,221 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 8:22:14 PM  Obc2 wrote: He stated at the Cincy Bobcat Caravan 2 years ago he will be coaching at Ohio when his daughter graduates Athens high school. I think that's a good dad speaking. Luckily that dad is also our coach. If that is the case we'll be the next Gonzaga. Back to Top SEbobcat General User Member Since: 4/1/2016 Post Count: 9 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 8:54:11 PM  No kidding, I'm thoroughly impressed with Saul. The way we see him around town, being active in the community and putting together a winning team speaks volume ax next year should be a great season. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/4/2016 11:10:26 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Obc2 wrote: He stated at the Cincy Bobcat Caravan 2 years ago he will be coaching at Ohio when his daughter graduates Athens high school. I think that's a good dad speaking. Luckily that dad is also our coach. If that is the case we'll be the next Gonzaga. +1 The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,548 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/5/2016 11:10:53 AM  I will say this about Saul, he speaks his mind. He says some things that I'm surprised he says. Not a bad thing, but definitely different than most coaches. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/5/2016 11:26:24 AM  Alan Swank wrote: Obc2 wrote: He stated at the Cincy Bobcat Caravan 2 years ago he will be coaching at Ohio when his daughter graduates Athens high school. I think that's a good dad speaking. Luckily that dad is also our coach. If that is the case we'll be the next Gonzaga. My favorite Saul quote was something along the lines of "if I told you what I think we can do here, you'd call me crazy." I forget where/when he said that, but it was in discussing program expectations and this same topic of him sticking around. I've seen others quote Danny Nee giving his hindsight on what he might have accomplished in Athens had he stuck around. I think Saul's thinking is along those lines. Personally, I'm of that same school of thought. I think this basketball program's potential is sky-high. One big difference from Saul Phillips compared with our past coaches is his current salary. I'm not saying that a 7 figure offer from a P5 program isn't always going to be appealing, but with pretty basic personal finance skills, half a mil a year + in SEO goes a lot further than whatever the heck we were paying our men's basketball coaches 20 years back. And if you are like Saul and believe that he could accomplish some big things with this program, would 7 figures really be that far away? He's already halfway there. How many NCAA Tournament wins does it take to push him over? I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/5/2016 11:43:20 AM  The Optimist wrote: And if you are like Saul and believe that he could accomplish some big things with this program, would 7 figures really be that far away? He's already halfway there. How many NCAA Tournament wins does it take to push him over? Seven figures is very far away at Ohio. Whenever I see a question like this, I wonder if people on here really look at the numbers. The Ohio Bobcat Club was excited about its record year of fundraising... at $747,000! The athletic budget is $27 million, and $16 million of it is covered by student fees. Costs are about to balloon due to cost of attendance. Ohio doesn't operate in a world where you can just double a salary for success. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/5/2016 12:32:57 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: And if you are like Saul and believe that he could accomplish some big things with this program, would 7 figures really be that far away? He's already halfway there. How many NCAA Tournament wins does it take to push him over? Seven figures is very far away at Ohio. Whenever I see a question like this, I wonder if people on here really look at the numbers. The Ohio Bobcat Club was excited about its record year of fundraising... at $747,000! The athletic budget is $27 million, and $16 million of it is covered by student fees. Costs are about to balloon due to cost of attendance. Ohio doesn't operate in a world where you can just double a salary for success. Maybe 7 figures is far away at Ohio, maybe it's not. Ohio's just as guilty as others in hiring other coaches away from other schools and dramatically increasing their salary; it did so with Saul Phillips. The guy was just making $170,000 a year at North Dakota State as I recall, and now he's making 3 times that at Ohio. So when push comes to shove, Ohio has the ability to pony up the $ when it wants to. The question shortly will be with Phillips (and more so with Bolden), will it want to? Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/5/2016 2:18:05 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: And if you are like Saul and believe that he could accomplish some big things with this program, would 7 figures really be that far away? He's already halfway there. How many NCAA Tournament wins does it take to push him over? Seven figures is very far away at Ohio. Whenever I see a question like this, I wonder if people on here really look at the numbers. The Ohio Bobcat Club was excited about its record year of fundraising... at $747,000! The athletic budget is $27 million, and $16 million of it is covered by student fees. Costs are about to balloon due to cost of attendance. Ohio doesn't operate in a world where you can just double a salary for success. I think you missed my point. In stating "how many NCAA Tournament wins does it take to push him over" I am hinting at incentives he could earn in addition to his base salary. 561,000 (base) http://www.thepostathens.com/news/here-are-the-highest-pa... 15,000 (Russell) (sidenote, this is an interesting read on incentives the school can earn from Russell for things like bowl apperences) http://www.thepostathens.com/sports/russell-contract-russ... $10,000 (MAC Tournament Championship) $20,000 (Sweet 16) http://www.backdropmagazine.com/taking-a-shot-2 / Even if he earns everything above, that doesn't add up to 7 figures. That said, if he earns all of that then Saul Phillips is closer to earning 7 figures than he is close to what Tim O'Shea was making here 10 years ago in the same position. I found a USA Today article from 2005 that puts TOS' base at 161k. 161k compared to 561k When you say "seven figures is very far away" I have to question what you mean by "very far" considering how things have progressed the last decade. If things keep on that pace (my argument isn't that such a scenario is given or even likely) then "very far" isn't really that far away. Phillips is going into year 3 of a 5 year contract. Let me phrase this a little differently... How many NCAA Tournament games does Saul Phillips need to win to earn a contract extension that pushes his total compensation (base and incentives) over $1 million dollars? Funny we mention Gonzaga. That article from the backdrop mentions Mark Few at Gonzaga earning over a million. How many NCAA Tournament wins did it take Mark Few to build Gonzaga into a program where he is now paid 7 figures? I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,446 Status: Offline     RE: Saul phillips    Posted: 4/5/2016 3:29:27 PM  The Optimist wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: And if you are like Saul and believe that he could accomplish some big things with this program, would 7 figures really be that far away? He's already halfway there. How many NCAA Tournament wins does it take to push him over? Seven figures is very far away at Ohio. Whenever I see a question like this, I wonder if people on here really look at the numbers. The Ohio Bobcat Club was excited about its record year of fundraising... at $747,000! The athletic budget is $27 million, and $16 million of it is covered by student fees. Costs are about to balloon due to cost of attendance. Ohio doesn't operate in a world where you can just double a salary for success. How many NCAA Tournament wins did it take Mark Few to build Gonzaga into a program where he is now paid 7 figures? Probably somewhere in the range of 18 straight NCAA Tournament appearances, six Sweet Sixteens, a couple of NBA draft picks, etc, etc, etc. I couldn't find when exactly he got his first million contract, but somewhere in the middle of that. Ohio is on the way, but there is a lot of work to go. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 33 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 200 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 198 Guests 2 Registered Users:   bobcatsquared, Jeff Hill There are no other users looking at this page.

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