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Free throws have been painfully obvious, going from .759 to .656...Ouch. 3 pointers have not been too bad, from .386 down to .376. 2 pointers have plummeted from .523 to .482. Breaking it down by player, I'll use the "true shooting percentage" which weights FTs, 2 pointers and 3 pointers accordingly and converts them into one percentage: Dartis down from .700 to .618 - What an amazing freshman season shooting but a pretty massive falloff. Campbell down from .634 to .615 - His issue is more foul trouble and injuries limiting his impact. Simmons down from .584 to .460 - Oof. Block down from .577 to .546 Treg Setty was at .577 and has effectively been replaced by Taylor & Carter who collectively are at about .540 The only bright spot is KK, who has only bumped up from .553 to .577. What is up with this? Is it dumb luck, got more to bounce our way last year and the opposite this year? Coaching not as effective? Missing Treg's energy? Slower pace? Team chemistry? Honestly, none of those really make sense to me. These are pretty drastic falloffs, in an environment where 4 times out of 5 a college player's shooting improves year over year. There was great reason for optimism. I'm not saying everything has been a huge disappointment this season, but I think it is fair to say at least the shooting has not gone the way we expected. Last Edited: 1/19/2017 8:54:40 AM by Andrew Ruck Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting    Posted: 1/18/2017 5:50:43 PM  Just think where we would be at the moment if the defense hadn't improved. This thing with the offense is hard to fathom or understand. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,219 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting    Posted: 1/18/2017 5:53:43 PM  Andrew - in this day and age your subject line scared the hell out of me. Sad but true. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting    Posted: 1/18/2017 8:21:36 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Andrew - in this day and age your subject line scared the hell out of me. Sad but true. +1. I had the same dang thought! Sad world we live in. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,757 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting    Posted: 1/18/2017 9:31:35 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Andrew - in this day and age your subject line scared the hell out of me. Sad but true. +1. I had the same dang thought! Sad world we live in. +2 I thought someone in Athens -- maybe a basketball player -- had been shot. My reaction when I opened the thread was . . . whew!, it's just about team shooting percentage! The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,218 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting    Posted: 1/19/2017 8:54:24 AM  Hey you gotta use that attention-grabbing clickbait headline these days. I will adjust the original subject to prevent any heart attacks. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 9:08:41 AM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Free throws have been painfully obvious, going from .759 to .656...Ouch. This is the area that really gets me. We had 7 players last year with FT% higher than 70%. This year we have 2. Big drops: Simmons 78% to 66% Campbell 71% to 65% Taylor 74% to 46% Block 83% to 58% Really a head-scratcher. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,445 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 9:27:00 AM  OUVan wrote: Andrew Ruck wrote: Free throws have been painfully obvious, going from .759 to .656...Ouch. This is the area that really gets me. We had 7 players last year with FT% higher than 70%. This year we have 2. Big drops: Simmons 78% to 66% Campbell 71% to 65% Taylor 74% to 46% Block 83% to 58% Really a head-scratcher. OUCountry and I were talking about this very phenomena at the EMU game. Once one guy started missing, they all started missing. It's like a disease that's spread. Maybe these guys are so tuned up and in sync that they just get in their head too much "don't miss, don't miss" but that's all they can think about is missing. Back to Top yamaha45701 General User Member Since: 3/6/2005 Location: The plains, OH Post Count: 172 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 9:34:20 AM  Sadly, there was a shooting in Athens last night on the west side. The Athens News web site has the details. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 9:37:38 AM  I have posted on here in past seasons about the possible correlation between a teams FT % and opponents FT %. Logically, it makes no sense. Anecdotally, it seems to me that often if one team isn't shooting well from the line, opponents often don't also. Would like to see a study of the possible correlation. If there is any correlation, that would back up the idea of FT shooting somehow being "contagious" psychologically. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,219 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 9:48:49 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: I have posted on here in past seasons about the possible correlation between a teams FT % and opponents FT %. Logically, it makes no sense. Anecdotally, it seems to me that often if one team isn't shooting well from the line, opponents often don't also. Would like to see a study of the possible correlation. If there is any correlation, that would back up the idea of FT shooting somehow being "contagious" psychologically. I've seen it in volleyball too with missed serves. It sometimes gets to the point of the absurd. Free throw shooting and making puts are 90% mental. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,519 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 10:14:33 AM  Alan Swank wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: I have posted on here in past seasons about the possible correlation between a teams FT % and opponents FT %. Logically, it makes no sense. Anecdotally, it seems to me that often if one team isn't shooting well from the line, opponents often don't also. Would like to see a study of the possible correlation. If there is any correlation, that would back up the idea of FT shooting somehow being "contagious" psychologically. I've seen it in volleyball too with missed serves. It sometimes gets to the point of the absurd. Free throw shooting and making puts are 90% mental. Block's regression at the line is the troublesome one. He was excellent last year and this year has really fallen off. Mental? He missed two key free throws early in the contest at Akron after a nice move to the hoop. He used to be automatic for at least 1 out of 2. Doug Taylor just seems to be mentally out of it at the line as well but he's also getting more attempts...or at least it feels that way. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,757 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 11:29:01 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: I have posted on here in past seasons about the possible correlation between a teams FT % and opponents FT %. Logically, it makes no sense. Anecdotally, it seems to me that often if one team isn't shooting well from the line, opponents often don't also. Would like to see a study of the possible correlation. If there is any correlation, that would back up the idea of FT shooting somehow being "contagious" psychologically. Though this might not be an exact analogy, I've noticed many times during warmups before pick-up basketball games, that if one guy misses a shot, the next three or four guys also miss. Then if a guy makes a shot, the guys that shoot just seconds after him all make their shots too. This phenomenon while not a perfect correlation, seems to manifest itself more often than not in a manner that appears more than a random variation around a mean. That is, it appears to me to be a statistically significant difference, though I've never actually measured it with any real gathering of statistics. Hence, what I just said is really seat-of-the-pants anecdotal. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 12:16:00 PM  GoCats105 wrote: OUVan wrote: Andrew Ruck wrote: Free throws have been painfully obvious, going from .759 to .656...Ouch. This is the area that really gets me. We had 7 players last year with FT% higher than 70%. This year we have 2. Big drops: Simmons 78% to 66% Campbell 71% to 65% Taylor 74% to 46% Block 83% to 58% Really a head-scratcher. OUCountry and I were talking about this very phenomena at the EMU game. Once one guy started missing, they all started missing. It's like a disease that's spread. Maybe these guys are so tuned up and in sync that they just get in their head too much "don't miss, don't miss" but that's all they can think about is missing. I didn't realize it was THIS bad. I figured with what I've seen from Jaaron and Gavin in the last 3 games that their numbers weren't good. They simply are not 50-60% free throw shooters, and if they shoot at last year's clip, OUr team has wins in at least 2 of 3 vs Iona, WKU, and EMU, where free throw misses were crucial. It's really hard to understand, and I keep thinking they'll eventually snap out of it. I tweeted with Russ the other night looking for his thoughts on this. He said (paraphrasing) "I'm not a doctor". It's just so strange, at least for Tony, Gavin, Jaaron. Back to Top Brian Smith (No, not that one) General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 3,016 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting    Posted: 1/19/2017 12:19:27 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Hey you gotta use that attention-grabbing clickbait headline these days. I'd like to offer you a job in the newspaper industry. We pay in fortune cookies and free Culligan water. And everyone will hate you. I hope you take up my offer. Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 2,253 Status: Offline     RE: Shooting the Basketball    Posted: 1/19/2017 12:20:46 PM  Visualization is a powerful tool. It's not that somebody else made or missed that affects us - it's that our brain saw it happen, and that is the visual image in our head when we then shoot. Always always always want to visualize the shot going in, in your head, before you take the shot (if possible). You see guys who practice this and are consistent with it, and the general view from outside is they shoot with "confidence". It's all mental, but it's specifically the visualization piece of it. It's real. 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