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OUVan
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Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/6/2017 4:05:07 PM

I've seen several people worry about our bigs next year. I was just looking at the rest of the MAC and some of that concern should be tempered by the fact that the list of post players lost to graduation is impressive

Antonio Cambpell
Isaiah Johnson
Kwan Cheatham
Steve Taylor
Jimmy Hall
Wes Alcegaire
Franko House
Tucker Haymond

The list of returning bigs is much less formidable than we faced this year:

James Thompson
Tim Bond
Demajeo Wiggins
Nick Perkins
Marin Maric

Am I missing anyone coming back?

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/6/2017 4:48:12 PM

Off the top of my head, EMU starts 3 sophomores along the frontline, all 6-9 or taller, with Bond a 6-7 backcourt starter.

UB's Perkins returns alongside 6-10 Smart and 6-8 McKinzie, all underclassmen this year with 6-11 Bertram, a freshman who is redshirting this year.

I believe NIU's Maric is a senior.

Last Edited: 2/6/2017 4:53:44 PM by bobcatsquared

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/6/2017 5:22:13 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

The NIU website lists him as a SR. Verbal Commits suggests he's a JR in terms of eligibility.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/6/2017 5:42:47 PM

MAC forwards and centers (according to listed roster position) who rank in top 30 in scoring or top 20 in rebounding

Graduating
Jimmy Hall, 6-8, Kent State, 18.5 ppg, 10.8 rpg
Isaiah Johnson, Sr., 6-10, Akron, 16.5 ppg, 7.3 rpg
Steve Taylor Jr., 6-9, Toledo, 16.0 ppg, 12.5 rpg
Tucker Haymond, 6-6, WMU, 14.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg
Franko House, 6-6, Ball State, 13.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg
Kenny Kaminski, 6-8, Ohio, 12.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg
Wes Alcegauire, 6-6, BG, 12.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg
Kwan Cheatam Jr., 6-10, Akron, 11.9 ppg, 7.9 rpg

Returning
James Thompson IV, 6-10, EMU, so. this year, 14.5 ppg, 10.8 rpg
Nick Perkins, 6-8, Buffalo, so., 14.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg
Marin Maric, 6-11, NIU, RS-jr.?, 13.6 ppg, 7.6 rpg
Logan McLane, 6-9, Miami, jr., 12.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg
Demajeo Wiggins, 6-10, BG, so., 10.9 ppg, 8.3 rpg
Trey Moses, 6-9, Ball State, so., 9.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg
Brandon Johnson, 6-8, WMU, fr., 8.2 ppg, 5.5 rpg
Cecil Williams, 6-6, CMU, jr., 7.7 ppg, 6.0 rpg
Tahjai Teague, 6-8, Ball State, fr., 7.5 ppg, 6.0 rpg

Last Edited: 2/6/2017 5:49:28 PM by UpSan Bobcat

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/6/2017 5:43:08 PM

OU_Country wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

The NIU website lists him as a SR. Verbal Commits suggests he's a JR in terms of eligibility.

The site I saw says he's a Senior academically but is a Junior in eligibility.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/6/2017 5:46:38 PM

Maric is listed as a senior on NIU's roster. This is his fourth year, but he suffered an injury after playing only six games as a freshman. It would seem he would have another year of eligibility due to that.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/6/2017 9:07:51 PM

I am not worried about our bigs for next year for one main reason:

College kids tend to get better the longer they receive meaningful playing time within a system. We have seen it with a number of big men through the years.

The playing time that Carter and Taylor are receiving this year is invaluable. It is clear that Carter will get better as he gets stronger and with a full summer working on his game. As stated by others, Taylor missed a year of development in HS and only played 5 mpg for us last year. The time he is getting this year is knocking the rust off. He is averaging over 4 ppg and almost 5 rpg in just 14 mpg.

Both incoming freshmen appear to be skilled. They will get better as the year goes on next year.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 1:09:40 AM

Please don't ask me how to make it happen, but I still want and still contend we need to bring in a freshman center to play behind Doug Taylor and Wadley, if he's here next season. I really don't like the idea of playing Jason Carter in the post, except as an emergency. If we can get a legit freshman post guy, he can play some his first year (we can use the five fouls) and, hopefully, he'll be a starting impact player by his junior year...Question: We can't even throw Ellis Dozier in the hole for a couple minutes, if only to spare Doug and Jason from maybe a foul or two?

Last Edited: 2/7/2017 1:10:20 AM by FlashGary

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 6:22:40 AM

Totally agree, Flash, except I have zero expectation of Wadley returning. What about that 6-10 recruit out of NC, Justyn Hamilton. Has he decided on a college yet? Carter's talents/size screams for him to play the 4, but I'm afraid most of his minutes will be at the 5, like what we have seen since TC went down.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 7:21:55 AM

Have you two seriously watched A GAME yet this year? Jason is more than formidable in the post. He's probably got the best post moves on the roster...and I'm including Tony Campbell in that list.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 10:30:22 AM

OUVan wrote:

The site I saw says he's a Senior academically but is a Junior in eligibility.

He could be a guy that ends up being a grad transfer. It's been something of a trend at NIU.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 10:45:04 AM

FlashGary wrote:

I wonder about why Ellis isn't getting PT now. When Tony was healthy, there wasn't room in the rotation. Now, I would tend to agree with you re: him.

bobcatsquared wrote:

Justyn Hamilton is going to Temple. Wadley, unless I'm mistaken, will not be back on the roster next year, despite having a year of eligibility. Verbal Commits is a great resource to follow re: recruits: http://verbalcommits.com/schools/temple

So unless Dozier, Harley, or someone unless who looks much less likely to consider leaving transfers, we know what the roster will look like. Before anyone jumps to conclusions, I know nothing about them actually leaving. I'm just thinking it's possible, because they're pretty far down the pecking order for PT, and most guys at this level want to be able to play.

If, and this is a BIG IF, one were to transfer, I would hope the coaching staff would strongly consider holding one scholly in search of a transfer they perceive can be a difference maker, a la Jaaron Simmons, Walter Offut, etc.

Lastly, I posted this in another thread, and I really think it rings true here too:

1) Taylor is a five, whether anyone on here considers him as "starting" is up to them. Saul does, I know that. (he's said so)

2) The game, in my opinion, is going away from having true Five's, and going more toward having two Four's. We have that, and will have that moving forward. Carter is outstanding, and was a great find by this coaching staff. If one of Vanden Plas & Gareri fit like Carter, things look really, really good IMO.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 11:54:54 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

Have you two seriously watched A GAME yet this year? Jason is more than formidable in the post. He's probably got the best post moves on the roster...and I'm including Tony Campbell in that list.

I thought I've watched A GAME this year, if not all but one or two (not to mention the half-dozen high school games I've seen Carter participate in). And I'll stand by my OPINION that I'd rather not see Carter having to guard opposing team's big man (Big Dog, Maric, Stevie Taylor, etc. .).

Like you, GoCats105, I believe he has great post moves, but think we're asking too much of him to have to defend players bigger and stronger than him. Unlike you, GoCats105, I'm OK with someone having a different opinion and I won't question the number of games they have witnessed.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 12:15:21 PM

Last Edited: 2/7/2017 12:19:39 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 12:18:02 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Have you two seriously watched A GAME yet this year? Jason is more than formidable in the post. He's probably got the best post moves on the roster...and I'm including Tony Campbell in that list.

I took your opinion as you didn't think he was a good post player, which I do. My fault.

I will agree I don't like seeing him guard those bigger guys, but as UpSan has pointed out they'll be gone anyway.

Last Edited: 2/7/2017 12:18:52 PM by GoCats105

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 12:20:27 PM

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FlashGary wrote:

I wonder about why Ellis isn't getting PT now. When Tony was healthy, there wasn't room in the rotation. Now, I would tend to agree with you re: him.

[QUOTE=bobcatsquared] Totally agree, Flash, except I have zero expectation of Wadley returning. What about that 6-10 recruit out of NC, Justyn Hamilton. Has he decided on a college yet? Carter's talents/size screams for him to play the 4, but I'm afraid most of his minutes will be at the 5, like what we have seen since TC went down.

We still can't have folks on here begging for EDoz to play do we? Guys, the coaches obviously believe he's not ready....hell...he might never be ready. If he can't crack the rotation with Tone being hurt, he'll never do it this year. #ShipHasSailed #BleedGreen

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 12:28:39 PM

FearLeon wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

[QUOTE=FlashGary] Please don't ask me how to make it happen, but I still want and still contend we need to bring in a freshman center to play behind Doug Taylor and Wadley, if he's here next season. I really don't like the idea of playing Jason Carter in the post, except as an emergency. If we can get a legit freshman post guy, he can play some his first year (we can use the five fouls) and, hopefully, he'll be a starting impact player by his junior year...Question: We can't even throw Ellis Dozier in the hole for a couple minutes, if only to spare Doug and Jason from maybe a foul or two?

I wonder about why Ellis isn't getting PT now. When Tony was healthy, there wasn't room in the rotation. Now, I would tend to agree with you re: him.

We still can't have folks on here begging for EDoz to play do we? Guys, the coaches obviously believe he's not ready....hell...he might never be ready. If he can't crack the rotation with Tone being hurt, he'll never do it this year.

Definitely not "Begging". Asking the question, yeah, why not?

It is something that would be interesting to know. I'm assuming that defensively he's not getting it done. That said, I'd have thought that he would have gotten a little more time on the floor since the injury just to spell Taylor and Carter if only for 5-6 mins in game. I agree with you, we won't see much of him at this point if we haven't already. Makes me wonder if we'll see him on the transfer list in April.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 12:48:58 PM

OU_Country wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

"Begging" wasn't the right word for me to use. I don't know if transferring after this year will happen. He's only been in program for two years. However, if he doesn't see meaningful minutes after next year....then yes...if he wants to play college hoops then I'm sure he'll at least explore it. Can't blame him at all if that's the case.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 2:19:06 PM

FearLeon wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Based on everything I've seen, unless something crazy happens, Dozier is already behind Taylor, Carter, Block, and next year add at least one of Vanden Plas + Gareri. He seems athletic, but tentative, in the little I've seen of him on the floor.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 4:07:46 PM

OU_Country wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Good take....totally agree with the assessment.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 8:57:46 PM

FlashGary wrote:

If Carter plays center next year he'll foul out of every game.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/7/2017 9:26:27 PM

FearLeon wrote:

If Carter plays center next year he'll foul out of every game.

Let's see what Dozier can do at center.

HA!

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/8/2017 2:53:53 AM

Didn't say he CAN'T play there. Said he SHOULDN'T play there. Even though he'll get bigger and stronger. Two words are the problem: FOUL TROUBLE. Do you really want Jason to have to match up against bigger and heavier true post players? I see him as being too valuable to spend time sitting on the bench, which is what he'll do to rival players if he plays big forward.

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/8/2017 3:04:04 AM

As for Ellis Dozier's situation, I wasn't the greatest at math in Athens, but if you have five years to play four seasons and he already has red-shirted one season and sat the bench this season, if he can't crack the rotation next season and then decides to transfer, wouldn't that mean after having to sit out the next year he'd only have one season left to play if he goes Div. I? But if he were to transfer after this season, he'd have to sit out next season, but then would have two seasons to play, right?

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RE: Next Year Bigs

Posted: 2/8/2017 9:17:20 AM

FlashGary wrote:

I believe he would have two after transferring if he chose to do so. I don't think the player loses a year of eligibility, they just have to sit out the transfer year.

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