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bornacatfan
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  Message Not Read  OT- nice article on the last State Championship.
   Posted: 2/27/2017 11:12:00 PM 
Hardly seems like it was 20 years ago when I sat with Tommy in the Hoosier Dome watching the school that sits 2 miles from our house in the last State Championship. I do not know the attendance but it filled the football stadium where the Colts played to see a tiny basketball floor in the middle of the turf. It was spectacular when the whole state followed the tourney and knew players from all corners devouring newspapers and Hoosier Basketball Magazine .

Times change and the principals took the coaches and ADs out of the vote. They voted to have 4 classes and Class Champions instead of a State Champ. Coach Keller left coaching and is my kids Pre Calc teacher these days. He spends time watching his daughter who is a killer Vball coach here at County Rival Yorktown. The players have moved on with careers and kids but still hold a place here, remembered as the guys who played in the last State Championship. Delta won a Class Title a couple years later but it is rare that anyone talks about it. That was one heck of a ride with that team defying the odds with a 6' 3 Center and a bunch of guys knocking off Goliaths along the way. The road through the legendary Wigwam at Anderson knocking off the home team, and then onto Hinkle where they chose to use the locker room in the basement where the mythical Hickory Huskers were filmed.

Good read for those hoopheads who are looking for one. http://www.ibj.com/articles/62676-lopresti-delta-was-last...

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   Posted: 2/28/2017 9:48:11 AM 
Yeah, no more Milans.

Growing up in Ohio's Great Northwest we were saturated with Hoosier Hysteria during March through the Fort Wayne media. I always got a chuckle out of the guys sitting in a bar in Defiance watching the games on TV and arguing about teams they had absolutely no interest in for 48 weeks out of the year.

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   Posted: 2/28/2017 10:17:03 AM 
Are there any states left that still have a single championship in basketball?
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   Posted: 2/28/2017 10:37:37 AM 
Kentucky is one.
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   Posted: 2/28/2017 11:01:26 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Kentucky is one.


I believe Delaware and Hawaii are the only others.
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   Posted: 2/28/2017 11:09:18 AM 
How did the seeding and the brackets work in the old Indiana system? I was thinking they could have the separate State Championships for the four different divisions and then have the four square off in a final four but that may have been what they did already.
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   Posted: 2/28/2017 11:57:28 AM 
Nice memory. Ohio had only three classifications back in my day, AAA, AA and A, which I think is more than enough. How many now, six? I'm guessing that the DIV 6 state champ is from a one room school house?
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   Posted: 2/28/2017 12:04:05 PM 
OUVan wrote:
How did the seeding and the brackets work in the old Indiana system? I was thinking they could have the separate State Championships for the four different divisions and then have the four square off in a final four but that may have been what they did already.


They may have had schools of the same relative size face off in the sectionals, but by the time you get to the next level (regionals) the big schools were in the same brackets with the smaller schools. I worked at a radio station in Monticello in the '70s. All the White County schools went to the six-team Benton Central sectional. Three of the county's schools were somewhat smaller than the other three at the sectional. The winner moved on to the Lafayette Regional, which had some much larger schools, like Lafayette Jeff or West Lafayette. Getting past there was next to impossible for the smaller schools. (I won't get into Jeff's dubious recruiting practices.)

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   Posted: 2/28/2017 12:25:12 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Nice memory. Ohio had only three classifications back in my day, AAA, AA and A, which I think is more than enough. How many now, six? I'm guessing that the DIV 6 state champ is from a one room school house?


There's only four now in basketball. In football I believe they just made the switch to seven. But yes the Division 4 schools can be very small. There was school in our conference that graduated 37 kids my senior year.

Some of the best and most fundamental basketball is played at those levels. Like borna's article states, they have to rely on the fundamentals more than their sheer athletic ability, which still makes the games enjoyable to watch.

Last Edited: 2/28/2017 12:26:42 PM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 2/28/2017 12:29:07 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Nice memory. Ohio had only three classifications back in my day, AAA, AA and A, which I think is more than enough. How many now, six? I'm guessing that the DIV 6 state champ is from a one room school house?


There's only four now in basketball. In football I believe they just made the switch to seven. But yes the Division 4 schools can be very small. There was school in our conference that graduated 37 kids my senior year.

Some of the best and most fundamental basketball is played at those levels. Like borna's article states, they have to rely on the fundamentals more than their sheer athletic ability, which still makes the games enjoyable to watch.



Football does now have seven divisions. The move was to actually help balance out D1, which had the largest enrollment disparity with schools of say 12-1400 going up against schools twice + their size.

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   Posted: 2/28/2017 3:21:15 PM 
I remember growing up in 1970s Columbus and QUBE (early cable company local in central Ohio) included an Indianapolis TV station. Forty years later, I remember three things from that station: one is Saturday morning pro wrestling with Dick the Bruiser and Bobo Brazil; one is an Indiana insurance company commercial with a young Oscar Robertson being called in for dinner by his mom as he's shooting hoops in the twilight on a makeshift basket hanging from a barn; the third thing was Saturday regional semifinals for boys h.s. basketball with the winners meeting later that same day.

My memory might be a bit hazy on the third recollection, but I believe the Indiana h.s. basketball tournament had regional semis and final in the same day.

Last Edited: 2/28/2017 4:20:56 PM by bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 2/28/2017 4:59:21 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Hardly seems like it was 20 years ago when I sat with Tommy in the Hoosier Dome watching the school that sits 2 miles from our house in the last State Championship. I do not know the attendance but it filled the football stadium where the Colts played to see a tiny basketball floor in the middle of the turf. It was spectacular when the whole state followed the tourney and knew players from all corners devouring newspapers and Hoosier Basketball Magazine .

Times change and the principals took the coaches and ADs out of the vote. They voted to have 4 classes and Class Champions instead of a State Champ. Coach Keller left coaching and is my kids Pre Calc teacher these days. He spends time watching his daughter who is a killer Vball coach here at County Rival Yorktown. The players have moved on with careers and kids but still hold a place here, remembered as the guys who played in the last State Championship. Delta won a Class Title a couple years later but it is rare that anyone talks about it. That was one heck of a ride with that team defying the odds with a 6' 3 Center and a bunch of guys knocking off Goliaths along the way. The road through the legendary Wigwam at Anderson knocking off the home team, and then onto Hinkle where they chose to use the locker room in the basement where the mythical Hickory Huskers were filmed.

Good read for those hoopheads who are looking for one. http://www.ibj.com/articles/62676-lopresti-delta-was-last...



I actually like the divisions. I know, I know, I suck....

I did watch all of Hoosiers a few nights ago. Man that's a good movie.

Also - this is always a good read:
http://www.espn.com/page2/movies/s/simmons/020827.html




Last Edited: 2/28/2017 5:01:21 PM by Ohio69

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   Posted: 2/28/2017 5:32:59 PM 
Found these lines from that old Indiana Farm Bureau commercial:

"Oscar where you been?" "Outside shootin' baskets" "With that rusty old tin can?" "I got a surprise for ya" "A Basketball?!!!!"


Borna, and others from that area/era, might remember this iconic Indiana Farm Bureau commercial (Martha the "Mop Lady"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po_EtKSrqic


This commercial brought goosebumps after not seeing it in over 40 years. And I'm not even a Hoosier fan.
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   Posted: 2/28/2017 9:10:22 PM 
OUVan wrote:
How did the seeding and the brackets work in the old Indiana system? I was thinking they could have the separate State Championships for the four different divisions and then have the four square off in a final four but that may have been what they did already.


There is no seeding. Indiana has always had a blind draw in each sectional. Balls are in the hopper and the brackets come out of the hat. Still that way. Sunday night tourney draw show is still a ritual in many communities to see when they will play. Oddly enough, like no beer on Sunday, teams are not allowed to gather as a group on Sunday for the show (not that it does not happen, it just better not get back to the IHSAA). No school activities of any kind on Sunday here.

They tried a tournament of champions for winners of each class the first couple of years when Classes came but no one attended. There have been a number of proposals where they played class sectionals till 16 teams were left and then reseeded. The small schools loved it as the Big schools knocked the snot out of each other then they had hoped to play a 3 game tourney and take their chances.

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giacomo wrote:
Nice memory. Ohio had only three classifications back in my day, AAA, AA and A, which I think is more than enough. How many now, six? I'm guessing that the DIV 6 state champ is from a one room school house?


Looking through my Pops scouting reports and schedules when he was coaching at Bethel HS then Wayne HS in Huber there were only A and AA which changed after Chaminade went to Cols in 70 and Dunbar headed off in AAA in 71, when I was in jr High. My HS in 71, Tipp City, took runner up in AA with a team that routinely put up 90 points a night in a league that included Northmont, Trotwood madison, Vandalia and Greenville. A few guys here have those memories and have shared insights.

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   Posted: 2/28/2017 9:27:15 PM 
OUcats82 wrote:

Football does now have seven divisions. The move was to actually help balance out D1, which had the largest enrollment disparity with schools of say 12-1400 going up against schools twice + their size.


We have that disparity here. WHen Muncie Central played Lawrence North it was a school of 1052 students vs 4975. The two 3a schools that night, because of 4 years between classifications, actually had almost 1200 students each. Indy , Ft Wayne, South Bend Area Schools carry around 5K students with freshman buildings and Seperate Vocational Schools on one campus.

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